General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI will never forgive Poppy Bush for the disrespect he showed Geraldine Ferraro in their VP debate
That really stuck in my craw. It's still the first thing that comes to mind for me when his name is mentioned.
Near the end of the debate, he looked dismissively at her and said "can't we talk about baseball or something?"
A real low point.
KWR65
(1,098 posts)[link:
|sobenji
(316 posts)I obviously know it was a landslide but she mentioned at the end of that that the campaign was not over. Almost like admitting defeat.
Just curious
sobenji
(316 posts)hlthe2b
(102,328 posts)Last edited Sat Dec 1, 2018, 08:03 AM - Edit history (2)
there will be no holds barred in emphasizing all the positive and none of what you remember.
From the standpoint of making the utterly incompetent and unfit Trump apparent to all--even his supporters, I admittedly welcome that. But, for those of us with strong memories of Bush 1's failings, it will still be hard to take. Better strap in.
PCIntern
(25,572 posts)I was fortunate enough to meet her that night following the debate here in Philly. We were living in a fantasy land in those days and actually thought we had a chance...
bitterross
(4,066 posts)The slathering praise for McCain, a Republican who was not that great when it comes to sharing the values of the Democrats, was over the top. In my personal opinion. Just waiting to see if Poppy Bush, who spawned Jeb and W gets the same treatment.
Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)Decorum is one of the biggest casualties in the Trump era. Let's try to restore some today.
hlthe2b
(102,328 posts)Dennis Donovan
(18,770 posts)...and wholly appropriate.
elocs
(22,596 posts)and if you don't they will find your comment unwarranted and inappropriate.
Also, the choir does not like it when you don't exactly sing along with them.
hlthe2b
(102,328 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)Decorum is sadly lacking everywhere now, even here.
And some are gleeful about it.
hlthe2b
(102,328 posts)so spell it out. I have done nothing to deserve your accusations, but since you've made one, be explicit.
I merely commented on a natural phenomenon that occurs when a leader, President, celebrity dies.
Preet makes my point nicely:
Link to tweet
elocs
(22,596 posts)Except that never forgiving never hurts the object of our unforgiveness one bit,
but how does it help us and make our lives better?
And those who nurture their unforgiveness as if it is precious to them often have a long list of those they refuse to never forgive. How sad that is.
elocs
(22,596 posts)Sadly, I know someone like that irl.
stopbush
(24,396 posts)Let us know when you start forgiving tRump for his shit.
riverwalker
(8,694 posts)And was so excited, because I felt she won and was superior to him. Then the pundits all weighed in and I was so disappointed. The bar was higher for her than him, it was so unfair. I thought theyll never allow a woman in the White House. Not much has changed. ☹️
BumRushDaShow
(129,304 posts)"And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept," Ferraro said.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4428719&page=1
And then she doubled-down on it.
Sorry but it goes all sorts of ways here.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I dont think she was a racist, however.
BumRushDaShow
(129,304 posts)and instead pivot to attack and blame a black man, who had everything going against him yet graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law School... and then double down on his skin color being the only reason why he succeeded, is the type of bullshit that many of us are sick and fucking tired of.
Her comments were racist which makes her one.
Yesterday, I saw an article in the Washington Post with the results of a recent study -
By Isaac Stanley-Becker
November 30
You have recently joined a book club. Before each meeting, one member of the literary collective sends an email to the club secretary offering a few thoughts on the assigned text. This month, its your turn to compose the brief review.
A new study suggests that the words you use may depend on whether the club secretarys name is Emily (a stereotypically White name, as the study says) or Lakisha (a stereotypically Black name). If youre a white liberal writing to Emily, you might use words like melancholy or euphoric to describe the mood of the book, whereas you might trade these terms out for the simpler sad or happy if youre corresponding with Lakisha. But if youre a white conservative, your diction wont depend on the presumed race of your interlocutor.
This racial and political disparity is among the discoveries made by a pair of social psychologists in a paper forthcoming in the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, a peer-reviewed scientific journal published by the American Psychological Association. Cydney Dupree, an assistant professor of organizational behavior at the Yale School of Management, and Susan Fiske, a professor of psychology and public affairs at Princeton, documented what they call a competence downshift exhibited by white liberals in interactions with racial minorities, and with black people in particular.
The findings, based on what the authors stress is preliminary evidence, raise difficult questions about aspirations for a so-called post-racial society. The results reveal how subtle forms of discrimination may coincide with progress toward equal treatment, or what the paper identifies as a significant reduction in the expression of explicit prejudice and endorsement of negative stereotypes. The psychologists further discovered that white liberals rarely admit to the goal of appearing less competent, a fact that highlights the role of implicit bias and the covert nature of the competence downshift strategy.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2018/11/30/white-liberals-dumb-themselves-down-when-they-speak-black-people-new-study-contends/?utm_term=.a908f884646f
The study was earlier reported here - https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/white-liberals-present-themselves-as-less-competent-in-interactions-with-african-americans
and the actual report was put online here - https://psyarxiv.com/pv2ab/
Suffice it to say, I was going to post it but decided not to because I expected any discussion would need my participatory time and I have so many other things that I am trying to do. But it pretty much fits into some of Ferraro's problem and all it does is invoke Fannie Lou Hamer's exhortation in my mind, of "being sick and tired of being sick and tired". And I am sick and tired of the Ferraros and those like her, including the enumerable ones who call 911 on black folk because they are easy targets for her to exert her "power" against when her own "man" (father, husband, brother, son, uncle, nephew) marginalizes her, and she knows she will get her (white) "man's" support for doing so.
I voted for her and Mondale in 1984 but fuck her now (and I know she is no longer with us).
Raine
(30,540 posts)thanks for posting the links..
BumRushDaShow
(129,304 posts)I think this initial study has opened up a number of avenues of future research too!!
GreatCaesarsGhost
(8,585 posts)Coventina
(27,159 posts)The man was a misogynist prick.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)Recommended.