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(6,252 posts)In their conversations
George II
(67,782 posts)Volaris
(10,274 posts)Obama's was Renegade (and I wanna say we didn't learn that till round his second year in office, IIRC).
On Edit: never mind, answered my own dumb question.
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superpatriotman
(6,252 posts)Moscow
Soxfan58
(3,479 posts)calimary
(81,512 posts)Cha
(297,731 posts)BLUE-WAVE Made this possible and Nancy helped make that happen.
Thank You, Hillary!
I like Nancy alot but her contribution to the blue wave was very small. The single biggest reason for the blue wave was Trump. Nancy has very low numbers nationwide.
The mobilization was on the ground. I am in Georgia and our ground game was unbelievable. The person who helped us most was Stacy Abrams.
Cha
(297,731 posts)on the Ground All Over the Country for candidates for different races.. what I'm saying is This..
Link to tweet
Link to tweet
Amanpour interviews Congressman-elect Tom Malinowski (D flipped seat that was R since '81)
snip//
I want to play something that maybe speaker, certainly Leader Pelosi said to me in September because a lot of people said well you know what, the Democrats don't really have a message to complete with Make America Great Again.
There's no slogan, there's no clear strategy but this is where she laid out in September.
What we're about in our campaign is that we are for the people, for lower health care costs, lowering prescription drug prices.
We're for raising pay checks, lowering healthcare costs, increasing paychecks by building the infrastructure of America and for cleaning up government to make sure people understand that the people's interest, not the special interests are served here in the United States Capitol.
So there she was laying out a strategy and one that clearly is a winning strategy
https://www.pbs.org/wnet/amanpour-and-company/video/congressman-elect-tom-malinowski/
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11406195
Hekate
(90,837 posts)She helped ensure this new crop got elected, and now she will ensure they will be as effective as possible in Congress.
I just came from the Elizabeth Warren thread where you called EW a librarian and a third grade teacher and said she had no charisma and was not likeable at all. She's a twice elected US Senator, bub.
What's going on with you tonight? Is it something in the water, or are you always this negative about our best and brightest and most experienced Democratic women?
Would really like to know the answer to this.
Cha
(297,731 posts)And, I think Paul Begala sums it up nicely about Nancy's party in our Blue-Wave that engulfed our Nation..
Link to tweet
Guppy
(444 posts)in Georgia. We worked really hard and my wife and I worked constantly for Carolyn bourdeaux. As a matter of fact she cited both of us for writing her and convincing her to run for the 7th district in Georgia. The DCCC gave her almost no money. We were within 400 votes of taking that seat. We will win next time. I was going house to house in the pouring rain to try to get every vote counted in the runoff.
Nancy is fine behind the scenes but she is too polarizing similar to Hilary. My opinion of Elizabeth is based on a career in sales. The one poster in the other one on Elizabeth gets my take. She just doesn't have it for a run at the presidency.
I was just listening to Lawrence was playing a clip on Warren were she was saying this is about cheating. She is sending the message that we are victims. That is a terrible message. It is emasculating.
I think we only have two good candidates. Kamala and Beto. The rest are pretty bad. All the old ones are too old and I am old. It is time to move on and make this election about the future and not the past. It is time to make the republicans old.
It is not an election about policy. It is an election about the future.
Hekate
(90,837 posts)...that's not emasculating? And his only ideas are hate and fear?
But if a woman with ideas about how to make it better points out exactly how the system is rigged and how it can be fixed -- somehow that's emasculating?
Jesus Christ on a trailer hitch, little fishy.
Guppy
(444 posts)but his rural people love him. Does it make sense of course not but it goes to my contention that we vote on emotion. Same as buying something. A long time ago in my first sales job my mentor told me people buy on emotion. I am now in enterprise sales and once someone becomes emotionally attached nothing can change that persons mind.
Hekate
(90,837 posts)Just say you really dislike our strongest Democratic women -- SoS Hillary, Speaker of the House Nancy, and Senator Elizabeth -- because they make you feel emasculated.
Or you imagine they make a bunch of Trump voters feel like that. Just curious, but do you think those same people voted for President Obama, a man but indisputably black? Or perhaps they voted for John Kerry, a war hero who got swiftboated?
Or maybe the people you reference haven't ever voted for a Democrat since Dick Nixon developed his Southern Strategy?
Guppy
(444 posts)Nancy is a wonderful speaker. I do think we need to move the party into a youthful party. We must address the younger voters who see us old people as part of the problem. Stacy Abrams is in her forties. Be to is 47 Kamala is 54.
If you want to paint the republicans old then you take this message to the young voters. The republican party is appointing justices who are ideologues. Don't you think that you should have a say in your future. We as democrats will make sure you are heard, It is your time and we will make sure you are heard.
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)Let's all save the poor dudes from emasculation because it takes masculinity to RULE THE FUCKING WORLD...
Dontcha know?
Nothing sexist about that.
Still shaking my damn head.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,869 posts)with both Pelosi and Warren. I'll just leave it at that.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Are you serious?
Do you know what "emasculated" means?
The one thing Americans don't want to be is a victim. If your message is that we are going to save you from someone then you are speaking for them. I believe most people feel like they want stand up for themselves.
It is psychological.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)So, whatever
Guppy
(444 posts)Demit
(11,238 posts)Emasculation can only refer to one gender. Jesus, it's right there in the word itself.
femmedem
(8,208 posts)And thank you for bringing a perspective from Gwinnett County. I see you are taking a lot of heat, but I am grateful to hear how some of our candidates and likely candidates play in your neck of the woods. (I live in an urban area in the northeast--definitely not Trump country.)
Jakes Progress
(11,122 posts)But if you think of Pelosi as a light weight or view her as not working for the people, I have to think that you are either not well informed about Washington politics or you are a victim of the relentless smear by russia and the right wing. Hint: When you find yourself agreeing with trump . . .
But Stacy Abrams is one of my heroes. Her work and political skill are phenomenal.
Guppy
(444 posts)We can disagree.
Jakes Progress
(11,122 posts)If you think that Pelosi is a light weight political strategist or that she doesn't work for the common people, you are going to relegated into either the "victim" or "uninformed" grouping by those who are not victims and are well informed.
If we disagree on Pelosi's effectiveness, then you have let us know how accurate your post is?
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Guppy
(444 posts)for the Carolyn Bourdeaux campaign. We almost got no money from the DCCC. we were within 400 votes of winning out of 280,000. We organized ourselves. She did not help us with the ground game.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)meaning they provided her a higher level of support, including fundraising assistance, candidate training, sending in additional staff (paid by the DCCC), etc.
Maybe you aren't aware of Red to Blue and how it helped her campaign (as well as many others, including Lucy McBath's) since their support isn't necessarily always in the form of direct funding but instead involves provision of resources, so the support is not always apparent to everyone working on the campaign. But the people running the campaigns or working at the higher levels knew and greatly appreciated the support they received from the DCCC.
One of the reasons that Pelosi never broke a sweat about becoming Speaker - the Members know they owe a lot to her and her efforts.
Guppy
(444 posts)She is now the number one district to be turned. We were there. Lucy got more support.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)because Nancy Pelosi was a huge email presence for Democrats leading up to the elections.
Guppy
(444 posts)I am certainly a democrat. My first vote was McGovern. Anytime you criticize a woman on DU you are immediately called a misogynist.I took a woman's history course in college in 1973. Not many men did that?
I criticize the men running as much as the women.
I just think that Biden, Bernie,Elizabeth are past their prime. I am old and I think they are too old. America likes shiny new things.
Castro, Booker Klobachar and that crew doesn't excite people. People are very racist and running Booker would be a bad choice.
Unfortunately I think America would not want two African American men so soon. This is America as I see it.
I take a look at polls and see that Nancy Pelosi is way underwater to the general populous. People here don't want to take an honest look. She unfortunately is disliked. It is one of the reasons it is bad to run from California. The same goes for Massachusetts. These states are looked at by America as weirdo places.
The Northeast and California are bad places to run from for the presidency.
After it is all said and done we are selling a product to the American people. We have one thing going for us and that is Trump is really hated. He had a lot of republicans shift in the last election. What we want to do is convert those people to vote democratic in the future.
If we can get them to vote democratic in 2 straight elections we have a chance. We really have to perform in this session of congress
If Trump is not running in 2020 then there is a good chance that they fall back in line..
I think it should be a race about the future. In order to do that we need to run someone young. I for one do not think we have a wealth of candidates. I think their are a bunch of candidates that are past their prime.
My only two that I think are good are Beto and Kamala. He is a rock star and she is impressive.
She has one problem and that is that California thing.
I don't think we can use the "everything is unfair" message. Its a loser.
People get emotionally attached to whatever they are going to buy. Whether it is a car or a house. I sold 2 houses this year. We really staged them correctly. We hired a person who does staging for a living. One was our primary residence. Less had to be done to that but even so. Painting was done new carpet etc and we sold it in 2 days. 99% of asking and at the time the highest price in our neighborhood ever.
The second house was a rental. We gutted that one. We even put up anew ceiling because it had stiple. We got a 100% of our asking price.
Excitement matters and America is incredibly shallow.
marble falls
(57,275 posts)and both won their elections and re-election in big turnouts and with wide margins. And only six Presidents since California became a state have won without carrying California in an election - Garfield (1880),Cleveland( 1884), Wilson (1912), Kennedy (1960), Carter (1976), andGW Bush (2000 and 2004). So your gut is telling you wrong about California.
Guppy
(444 posts)That is a long time ago. Remember CA was a reliable red state at that time. Right now it is an entirely different landscape.
marble falls
(57,275 posts)and these guys won sixteen years of them since '68 (sixteen out of fifty) and we won't talk about how often St Ronnie is invoked even now. And how many of the other Presidents got only single terms?
Strong opinions are OK but don't pretend they're fact with out some evidence and pure anecdote is not evidence.
Guppy
(444 posts)1980 is eons ago. CA was a strong republican state. Now they have even lost Orange County.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)it's certainly a shame you fail to support any of your statements with any evidence at all. You simply type out one slogan after another. One more bumper sticker. One more fortune cookie.
As you said, emotional and shallow, indeed.
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jcgoldie
(11,651 posts)...I do not agree with many of the reasons you provide... if you rule out candidates because "people are racist and don't want another African American" or because they have misogynist based "baggage" attached to strong women like Pelosi or Clinton... then it makes you a party to that racism and sexism.
I don't know your background and I find it interesting that you think I am a misogynist and a racist.
My Grandmother was arrested in 1910 for cavorting with a chinese man who was my grandfather. I have the newspaper article. My dad could not swim in the public pools in St. Louis. I grew up in a laundry behind a storefront and in 1962 when my parents could not get a mortgage in Yonkers even though we had a 50% down payment we had to go to the Bank Of Harlem to get a mortgage.
I always find iy interesting of being accused of being a racist by someone who does not know me.
Also, a misogynist? I took my first women's history course in college in 1972 in college. I worked tirelessly on the 7th district campaign in GA. We got all the women elected except Carolyn Bordeux who lost by 400 votes out of 280,000. I was driving and walking in the pouring rain trying to get people to make sure their votes were counted in the runoff. I was cited as one of the reasons why Carolyn ran because of the letters we wrote to her before she decided to become the candidate.
Sure sounds like a misogynist and a racist.
jcgoldie
(11,651 posts)I was addressing your arguments not your personality.
radical noodle
(8,013 posts)If we took that attitude, there would be no progression forward.
MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)You know who else thinks America should be run like a real estate business?
You are selling the wrong shit on the wrong site.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)You evidently would gladly throw the weight of experience out for the impetuous glamor of youth. You must think that staging things by slapping a youthful appearance on it is the answer to any question. Thats mighty superficial and just like Trump who thinks looks are everything in his ratings world.
By the way, Ronald Reagan was from California as are Nancy Pelosi, Barbara Lee, Diane Feinstein, Adam Schiff, Eric Swalwell, Maxine Waters and Ted Liu. No matter where you live youve heard of them if youre interested in politics at all.
But, whatever.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)erronis
(15,355 posts)I'm guessing both of them will help us get back on track after a terrible derailment.
Get the government working again after years of GOP-obstruction. Please!
BigmanPigman
(51,635 posts)Putin and Flynn?
triron
(22,023 posts)OMGWTF
(3,976 posts)Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)I really wish that she was spending late nights on policy and getting greyhairs as our REAL President.
elmac
(4,642 posts)CaptainTruth
(6,602 posts)...people in this country.
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)Tomorrow is just the beginning.
triron
(22,023 posts)ismnotwasm
(42,014 posts)Moebym
(989 posts)Who don't get nearly the amount of credit they deserve for serving their country.
betsuni
(25,653 posts)ffr
(22,672 posts)Republicans can't say that. Just sayin.
Basement Beat
(659 posts)Looking mighty refreshed! Even though she's been out there pretty consistently.
ancianita
(36,137 posts)It's obvious to us, but not so much to the rest of the country.
Polly Hennessey
(6,807 posts)SpankMe
(2,969 posts)No, really. It's a crime. Literally.