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NewJeffCT

(56,829 posts)
Sat Jan 5, 2019, 11:49 PM Jan 2019

Somebody outside of DU has noticed that the media is obsessed with "Democrats in Disarray" stories




As a non-Democrat, I'm struck by how much the media seem obsessed by possible rifts among Democrats, narrow lines they'll have to walk, stray utterances of their backbenchers, etc, than by the rather more massive fact that we have a president and administration in total meltdown.

Bill Kristol

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Somebody outside of DU has noticed that the media is obsessed with "Democrats in Disarray" stories (Original Post) NewJeffCT Jan 2019 OP
The press needs a two horse race underpants Jan 2019 #1
Man am I tired of this - basically 2nd response tonight rufus dog Jan 2019 #4
Chicken and the egg BannonsLiver Jan 2019 #8
Thanks underpants Jan 2019 #11
enlighten me rufus dog Jan 2019 #20
Right. Their job is to make sure coverage benefits their owners. Autumn Jan 2019 #38
I don't think we disagree underpants Jan 2019 #43
Exactly lunatica Jan 2019 #44
the horse race is about ratings . it's why they bring on career pundits instead of boring economic JI7 Jan 2019 #12
Not about ratings ThoughtCriminal Jan 2019 #24
Amy Goodman narrates Norm Chomsky 4:46 underpants Jan 2019 #40
This is a big part of why the RW developed their think tanks and cadre of writers/pundits underpants Jan 2019 #41
MSM's profits depent on chaos, a dog and pony show elmac Jan 2019 #17
I've NEVER agreed with the Reich wing Kristol...but AZ8theist Jan 2019 #23
Somebody must have slapped him awake. eppur_se_muova Jan 2019 #2
+1 2naSalit Jan 2019 #28
Perfectly stated! I don't care who said it. Cha Jan 2019 #3
gradually and grudgingly Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2019 #13
I always liked the tweets when Cha Jan 2019 #15
That's exactly what's happening dalton99a Jan 2019 #5
Sad when the media needs to make up a story Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2019 #6
I've gotten in a few spats here recently pointing this out pecosbob Jan 2019 #7
Agreed, I look for the source, if the hill or politico, I skip it. Tech Jan 2019 #10
+1 shanny Jan 2019 #31
Bill Kristol's one of the bright ones Hekate Jan 2019 #9
He is a work in progress.... not_the_one Jan 2019 #19
lest we forget... nt 2naSalit Jan 2019 #29
He also was a major promoter of Sarah Palin. nt tblue37 Jan 2019 #39
Why is this a problem since we are so often in disarray? Remember... TreasonousBastard Jan 2019 #14
So enjoyable, that guy. what a treasure he was.nt Judi Lynn Jan 2019 #27
Never thought I'd agree with that fuckhead Bill Krystol... will wonders never cease! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2019 #16
And that's Bill Kristol saying this. Bill Kristol. YOHABLO Jan 2019 #18
Did he take some kind of common sense pill or something? nt Quixote1818 Jan 2019 #21
Np - he watched how they destroyed hm when he refused tp malaise Jan 2019 #33
Kristol has been putting his money where his mouth is at least NewJeffCT Jan 2019 #36
I agree n/t malaise Jan 2019 #37
The Cult is getting uneasy Mountain Mule Jan 2019 #22
The entire #WalkAway movement NewJeffCT Jan 2019 #34
Had not heard of #WalkAway. I had heard of the "Red Wave" underpants Jan 2019 #45
Yep, anything in the attempt to demoralize/spread dissention in the ranks Mountain Mule Jan 2019 #46
K&R Scurrilous Jan 2019 #25
Maybe it's time we take time to call in to radio shows and send texts and e-mails to the outlets and allgood33 Jan 2019 #26
We even have that here at DU. Kaleva Jan 2019 #30
I hate agreeing with Billyboy but scarytomcat Jan 2019 #32
No Shit billy spanone Jan 2019 #35
piss on bill kristol anyway KG Jan 2019 #42
Bill Kristol used to be a Democrat octoberlib Jan 2019 #47

underpants

(182,883 posts)
1. The press needs a two horse race
Sat Jan 5, 2019, 11:56 PM
Jan 2019

They'll grasp at anything to kill Dem/Blue Wave momentum. They're excuse is equal reporting to maintain "access".

 

rufus dog

(8,419 posts)
4. Man am I tired of this - basically 2nd response tonight
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 12:17 AM
Jan 2019

The press does not do this for a two horse race. The press does this to keep the advertising dollars flowing. Manufactured outrage with Dems, soft peddle Repuke scandals.

It has absolutely nothing to do with hoping for a two horse race.

 

rufus dog

(8,419 posts)
20. enlighten me
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 02:01 AM
Jan 2019

Just because we haven't had a Repuke blow out since Reagan doesn't mean that the media is looking for a horse race. The media has no interest in creating a horse race if the Dem is far behind. They would (and have) focus on what is wrong with the Dems. I watched thirty minutes of MSNBC this AM. The first guest was a repuke hack who spouted tRump talking points, the next segment was one repuke hack who got the first and last response, while the other two got about 30% of the time in between. This is the norm.

Studies consistently show a 2/3rds to 3/4th bias towards conservative talking heads. If the media was looking for a horse race we wouldn't see this hold up. What we see is when the Dems are in charge they claim the Repukes need the time to be fair. When the Reps are in charge the media claims the public voted for them and want them given air time.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
38. Right. Their job is to make sure coverage benefits their owners.
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 10:09 AM
Jan 2019

And they do it very well.

What we see is when the Dems are in charge they claim the Repukes need the time to be fair. When the Reps are in charge the media claims the public voted for them and want them given air time.
That's the whole unvarnished truth.

underpants

(182,883 posts)
43. I don't think we disagree
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 10:43 AM
Jan 2019

I think we are both saying the same thing but in different ways.

My post about a "two horse race" was boiled down for brevity. Oddly almost everywhere else there is a 4 to 5 horse race but the American viewer isn't perceived able to handle all that so we have just two horses. Back to my point - you are correct about the bias towards conservative talking heads but that is my point as well. Their has to be a binary choice. My ham sandwich vs their ham sandwich and then it just becomes a wrestling match.

JI7

(89,271 posts)
12. the horse race is about ratings . it's why they bring on career pundits instead of boring economic
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 12:38 AM
Jan 2019

discussion between 2 professors of economics to discuss the economy. why they bring on the same pundits to discuss foreign policy instead of 2 boring international scholars to discuss the issues.

ThoughtCriminal

(14,049 posts)
24. Not about ratings
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 02:39 AM
Jan 2019

With few exceptions, it's about promoting pro-corporate propaganda for the extremely rich. Ratings are sustained only to the extent that they are needed to sustain the message.

underpants

(182,883 posts)
41. This is a big part of why the RW developed their think tanks and cadre of writers/pundits
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 10:32 AM
Jan 2019

You can go back to Lewis Powell's memo - conservatives just got trounced in the 60's. Civil rights and anti-war are the most evident examples. They were losing the college campuses. So the money interests (the "Four Sisters" as well as Rev. Moon) poured money into establishing and nurturing think tanks to create their own spokespeople. Prior to that when a news program needed and expert opinion they generally went to college campuses and the learned measured opinions were aired. This was killing conservatives and they knew it.

The most stark example of this in more recent times is Ann Coulter. She was part of the young group of writers (Drudge/David Brock/etc. ) who came out of the early 90's. Bulk buying of Coulters books was so blatant that the N.Y. Times bestseller list came up with a special notation for her books signifying massive buys (that often never left the distribution center). A Star is born - "Best Selling author...." gives credence in the minds of viewers because THEY'RE RICH! THEY'RE SUCCESSFUL!. They did the same thing to get Falwell on TV. As Lenny said about Mr. Burns on the Simpsons, ""Hey everyone, let's listen to him. He's rich so he must have everyone's best interest in mind"

AZ8theist

(5,495 posts)
23. I've NEVER agreed with the Reich wing Kristol...but
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 02:28 AM
Jan 2019

at some point, AMERICA has to wake up to the fact that this is TREASON COMMITTED BY THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

NOTHING ELSE.

TRUMP IS A PUTIN CONTROLLED TRAITOR.

PERIOD.

eppur_se_muova

(36,290 posts)
2. Somebody must have slapped him awake.
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 12:10 AM
Jan 2019

If he did it to himself, well, better late than never. Qualified kudos to him.

Cha

(297,692 posts)
3. Perfectly stated! I don't care who said it.
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 12:12 AM
Jan 2019

I'm going to retweet. 43k Like.. 11k retweets!

Thank Goodness for Social Media 'cause the M$M are very much derelict too many times.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,434 posts)
13. gradually and grudgingly
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 12:44 AM
Jan 2019

I have gradually and grudgingly come to admit that twitter has a redeeming value in communication. It does seem to allow a very broad conversation, in spite of considerable noise and nothingness.


Won't catch me saying the same about facebook, though.

Cha

(297,692 posts)
15. I always liked the tweets when
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 12:59 AM
Jan 2019

they first started appearing on DU.. I can read them better.. I wanted to join but was too daunted for a long time.

It's like anything.. there's good and bad.. trump uses it for propaganda, but thankfully the reality based can use it to pushback with the Facts.

Finally, in July 2018 I took the plunge, and it's really nice being able to reply to those I respect, and if need be to call someone out.

I only use FB to see what my spread out family is up to in New York, Connecticut, North Carolina, Florida, California, and Oregon!

pecosbob

(7,543 posts)
7. I've gotten in a few spats here recently pointing this out
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 12:29 AM
Jan 2019

Every time I see another story from The Hill posted here it makes me want throw up.

 

not_the_one

(2,227 posts)
19. He is a work in progress....
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 01:23 AM
Jan 2019

He was one of the creators of PNAC.

And THAT got us 9-11.

At this point I'll gladly accept anyone critical of turdface.

But Kristol has some history to compensate for....

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
14. Why is this a problem since we are so often in disarray? Remember...
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 12:56 AM
Jan 2019

"I am not a member of an organized political party. I am a Democrat."

That was Will Rogers speaking before any of us were born.

malaise

(269,175 posts)
33. Np - he watched how they destroyed hm when he refused tp
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 08:52 AM
Jan 2019

bow to the corrupt, naked, anti-democratic emperor.
Further fiscal responsibility is only demanded when Democrats support the social good.

NewJeffCT

(56,829 posts)
36. Kristol has been putting his money where his mouth is at least
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 09:53 AM
Jan 2019

He's responsible for the pro Mueller ads running on Fox News and elsewhere.

I'll go back to hating him and his history once Trump is gone, but we need every ally we can get at this time, as Trump is a genuine threat to democracy.

Mountain Mule

(1,002 posts)
22. The Cult is getting uneasy
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 02:16 AM
Jan 2019

and they've started whistling in the dark. I drop in on another politics forum where both repugs and dems do battle. The repugs were all caught up in the imaginary #WalkAway movement which they claimed was being joined by thousands if not millions of dems every day. WOW! I had a really good laugh over that one. This was before the midterms. Strange how none of the repugs there have posted anything about their delusions in this regard since early November.


NewJeffCT

(56,829 posts)
34. The entire #WalkAway movement
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 09:37 AM
Jan 2019

was proven to be Russian propaganda with many of the initial "people" that walked away being taken from stock photos found online.

underpants

(182,883 posts)
45. Had not heard of #WalkAway. I had heard of the "Red Wave"
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 11:10 AM
Jan 2019

That was huge on talk radio. They were just sure of it.

Mountain Mule

(1,002 posts)
46. Yep, anything in the attempt to demoralize/spread dissention in the ranks
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 11:48 AM
Jan 2019

Twitler's Kult are living in Never-Never Land. They believe all of Twitler's lies and follow him blindly. I believe that the fake #WalkAway thing originated on FB and was part of a disinformation program with Russian roots as mentioned above.

Whatever they hoped to accomplish with this Fairy Tale, it backfired on the repugs badly. Dems who came across it would laugh in disbelief and it gave the repugs a false sense of security. I'm sure that a segment of repug voters stayed home because they believed we Dems were in disarray. We may be in disarray - sometimes more than others - but this is nothing compared to the disarray the trumptifuckation of the GOP has caused.

I'm a "yaller dawg" Democrat to the very end. Whatever I may think about primary results (I was a Bernie supporter), once Hillary won the nomination, she had my complete and loyal support. As always the repugs are so clueless that sometimes all you can do is laugh.

 

allgood33

(1,584 posts)
26. Maybe it's time we take time to call in to radio shows and send texts and e-mails to the outlets and
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 06:40 AM
Jan 2019

owners and let them know that we don't like their focus and will be turning off all segments related Democrats in disarray?

scarytomcat

(1,706 posts)
32. I hate agreeing with Billyboy but
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 08:42 AM
Jan 2019

the rethugs are in much more disarray, they have no clue how to run a democratic representative government that follows facts and works for all the people like it was designed
it is hard run something well if you don't really believe in it

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
47. Bill Kristol used to be a Democrat
Sun Jan 6, 2019, 11:55 AM
Jan 2019

pre-Reagan. A lot of the neocons were. I can’t imagine changing parties just because you want more war.

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