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applegrove

(118,723 posts)
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 09:20 PM Jan 2019

Exclusive: Mueller Is Holding Top Secret Intelligence That Will Sink the Trump Presidency

Exclusive: Mueller Is Holding Top Secret Intelligence That Will Sink the Trump Presidency

By John R. Schindler at the Observer

https://observer.com/2019/01/robert-mueller-top-secret-intelligence-will-sink-trump-presidency/

"SNIP....

The answer lies in a highly secretive intelligence program run by the National Security Agency (NSA). It’s called travel tracking and its existence, like so many NSA top-secret operations, was revealed by Edward Snowden, the disgruntled agency IT contractor who fled to Moscow in June 2013 with over a million classified documents from the NSA and other U.S. spy agencies.

Travel tracking means that the NSA and its Five Eyes Anglosphere intelligence partners know who’s going where by air, and when, anywhere. They can even crack into WiFi and mobile phones in flight, according to top secret-plus documentsstolen and leaked by Snowden. Unless you’re traveling under alias documents of the kind issued by higher-end spy services, the NSA and its close friends know where you’re headed.

There ends the mystery of how Mueller and his investigators knew about Manafort and Kilimnik’s off-record rendezvous in Madrid at the beginning of Donald Trump’s presidency. It also means that the Special Counsel knows the truth regarding Michael Cohen’s alleged summer 2016 trip to Prague to parley with Kremlin spies on behalf of his then-client, our 45th president.

“Mueller really does know everything,” joked a former Intelligence Community (IC) senior official whom I’ve known for years. “The IC gave the Special Counsel everything we had that might be of relevance to their investigation, most of it came from NSA.” Which hardly surprises, since something like 80 percent of the actionable intelligence in the IC emanates from the NSA, the world’s most productive spy agency.

.....SNIP"

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Exclusive: Mueller Is Holding Top Secret Intelligence That Will Sink the Trump Presidency (Original Post) applegrove Jan 2019 OP
Colossal Cluster Fork MagickMuffin Jan 2019 #1
Exactly. Right now it's Mitch McConell keeping the gov closed and he'd onit2day Jan 2019 #71
Can't wait to find out all about that rump server ! nt UniteFightBack Jan 2019 #2
I thing Alfa bank is the foreign company in the secret hearings YessirAtsaFact Jan 2019 #55
Alfa WhiteTara Jan 2019 #58
Thanks YessirAtsaFact Jan 2019 #59
there are so many criminals it's hard to keep WhiteTara Jan 2019 #61
That probably means that whenever Trump goes on trial, it's not going to be public. RDANGELO Jan 2019 #3
So only the unwashed US public will be in the dark? Everyone else - friends and foes know it all erronis Jan 2019 #11
... Anon-C Jan 2019 #26
Tel Aviv/Jerusalem is corrupt? applegrove Jan 2019 #44
Bibi is corrupt POS. mikeysnot Jan 2019 #75
Okay. Bibi. applegrove Jan 2019 #80
some of it probably qualifies as porn 0rganism Jan 2019 #30
Which Will Only Add Fuel To Fire For Trump Cultists To Believe In A "Deep State" Conspiracy ChoppinBroccoli Jan 2019 #54
The fact that tRumpy alienated the intelligence agencies NoMoreRepugs Jan 2019 #4
The IC isn't going to do Trump any favors YessirAtsaFact Jan 2019 #56
interesting fascisthunter Jan 2019 #5
Hard to know anymore isn't it? Crutchez_CuiBono Jan 2019 #76
If this is true, then the FBI has done the nation a disservice... sfwriter Jan 2019 #6
They are in a damned if they do, damned if they don't Blue_true Jan 2019 #23
It needs to be sweeping if they have this level of data. sfwriter Jan 2019 #29
Likely treason level stuff. But be patient. I know it is hard with the damage the buffoon is doing Blue_true Jan 2019 #32
Yeah, and as wide as they are deep. sfwriter Jan 2019 #46
I am going to enjoy seeing all of the bastard roast, after what they did to Hillary and the country. Blue_true Jan 2019 #62
Well crap they've had the intel for "years" while the country burned, Crutchez_CuiBono Jan 2019 #77
+1. Lives depend on it. It needs to be rock solid or the Deplorables will be revolting. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2019 #64
Um. They need to be meticulous. applegrove Jan 2019 #45
Consider the source. MineralMan Jan 2019 #7
The Observer is centre left. applegrove Jan 2019 #8
Wrong Observer GeoWilliam750 Jan 2019 #10
My bad. applegrove Jan 2019 #19
But it is owned by someone we are all familiar with BumRushDaShow Jan 2019 #12
"the 25-year-old son of a wealthy New Jersey developer who was sentenced to prison last year" Takket Jan 2019 #27
..... BumRushDaShow Jan 2019 #49
So why is Kushner's NY Observer pushing this story? Confusion/deflection? nt erronis Jan 2019 #15
Kushner's brother-in-law is now the publisher, and Schindler has been a never-Trumper pnwmom Jan 2019 #25
Mueller knows but we or they do not. erlewyne Jan 2019 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author GusBob Jan 2019 #13
I HOPE LIKE HELL they can get Pence also. pangaia Jan 2019 #14
President Pelosi, please! PubliusEnigma Jan 2019 #16
Cheers to that! OMGWTF Jan 2019 #21
Omg. Hail yes! Crutchez_CuiBono Jan 2019 #78
He's like an automaton True Dough Jan 2019 #28
Who was that spy in Maxwell Smart who was always hiding in places applegrove Jan 2019 #41
A quick IMDb search tells me it was Hymie True Dough Jan 2019 #50
Wasn't Hymie the robot? Loki Liesmith Jan 2019 #51
Yes, it appears Hymie was a robot True Dough Jan 2019 #53
My mistake. applegrove Jan 2019 #68
We all make 'em! True Dough Jan 2019 #69
both are bdamomma Jan 2019 #57
So Schindler is claiming that Manafort's Madrid rendezvous ... GeorgeGist Jan 2019 #17
That is what Manafort's lawyer is saying. Schindler is saying even if that is true pnwmom Jan 2019 #20
Prague is a very modern city and I am sure Mr. Muller Botany Jan 2019 #18
I have no doubt that this is the case. GoCubsGo Jan 2019 #22
About time our tax dollars went to good use! orangecrush Jan 2019 #24
Another garbage report with no sources. former9thward Jan 2019 #31
There is something vaguely familiar here. PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2019 #33
Ya Got That Right RobinA Jan 2019 #36
And you likewise got it right. PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2019 #40
I'm tired of waiting. Texasgal Jan 2019 #34
Pace ourselves. Wait for the facts. Less traumatizing then. applegrove Jan 2019 #43
only Mueller knows the full extent of our defeat 0rganism Jan 2019 #35
They should all be very afraid. Manafort is. Anyone one of them who isn't is Nitram Jan 2019 #37
OMG please stop with these Little Boy that Cried Mueller headlines LiberalLovinLug Jan 2019 #38
without a doubt cheezmaka Jan 2019 #39
Then let's get this ship blue-wave Jan 2019 #42
I believe they know exactly what to do and how to do it and are proceeding as appropriate. Judi Lynn Jan 2019 #47
If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is. VOX Jan 2019 #48
Cohen's phone was tracked down to a cellphone-tower in Prague in summer 2016. DetlefK Jan 2019 #52
I had forgotten about the info that Snowden took to Russia. Hmmm. Wonder how much of it allgood33 Jan 2019 #60
It's one thing to know everything, it's another to orchestrate justice. defacto7 Jan 2019 #63
I want to actually see and read the outcome of the investigation. Firestorm49 Jan 2019 #65
Fan fiction SansACause Jan 2019 #66
The Michael Cohen Prague claim came from the Dossier, not Mueller. Renew Deal Jan 2019 #67
Nail that bastard! BlueJac Jan 2019 #70
K&R, thanks for posting, applegrove red dog 1 Jan 2019 #72
FIRE THE TORPEDOS Blue Owl Jan 2019 #73
Crazy world. McCain, Republican Mueller, and the NSA are our biggest heros. nt MadDAsHell Jan 2019 #74
K&R stonecutter357 Jan 2019 #79
 

onit2day

(1,201 posts)
71. Exactly. Right now it's Mitch McConell keeping the gov closed and he'd
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 04:40 PM
Jan 2019

open it by passing already unanimously passed legislation to open it before Trump declares National emergency and sends the entire nation to hell. You will pay Mitch.

YessirAtsaFact

(2,064 posts)
55. I thing Alfa bank is the foreign company in the secret hearings
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 10:13 AM
Jan 2019

Last edited Thu Jan 10, 2019, 10:48 AM - Edit history (1)

All network logs and other relevant records related to TrumpCo/Russia were subpoenaed

RDANGELO

(3,433 posts)
3. That probably means that whenever Trump goes on trial, it's not going to be public.
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 09:47 PM
Jan 2019

The judge the lawyers and the jury are going to have to be given security clearances and sworn to secrecy.

erronis

(15,313 posts)
11. So only the unwashed US public will be in the dark? Everyone else - friends and foes know it all
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 10:15 PM
Jan 2019

anyway.

No, I think the information masking is happening, not because of national security reasons, but because it doesn't match the "message" that the leaders want us to hear.

Whether in DC, TelAviv/Jerusalem, Rihad, Moscow, and other havens of the corrupt.

0rganism

(23,959 posts)
30. some of it probably qualifies as porn
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 11:25 PM
Jan 2019

trial or otherwise, those parts aren't going on the air during prime time

ChoppinBroccoli

(3,784 posts)
54. Which Will Only Add Fuel To Fire For Trump Cultists To Believe In A "Deep State" Conspiracy
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 10:09 AM
Jan 2019

I believe that most of the Branch Donaldians are fully prepared to turn a blind eye to any and all evidence that suggests their mancrush is anything OTHER than the only begotten son of Jesus and Superman. But being actively blocked from viewing any of the evidence against him will only prove, in their minds, that there IS no evidence, and that his removal from office (and whatever else happens after that--please prison, please prison) is nothing more than a "Deep State" conspiracy to get rid of him because he "scares them so much" (no lie, I've had a Trump Cultist actually say this to me--Trump scares the "Deep State" because he's an "outsider" who's going to radically change things).

That's why I believe that anything that doesn't immediately endanger national security should be made public. Having everything be secret will only make Trump the martyr that his cult members desperately want.

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
76. Hard to know anymore isn't it?
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:26 AM
Jan 2019

So many "good news' stories seem to flash in the pan and then dt does something else and it seems like it never matters. We'll see, bc, we don't have a choice. (In waiting the eternal/infernal wait)

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
23. They are in a damned if they do, damned if they don't
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 10:50 PM
Jan 2019

situation. Their best course is to help Mueller build a rock solid case that won't be open to interpretation.

 

sfwriter

(3,032 posts)
29. It needs to be sweeping if they have this level of data.
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 11:23 PM
Jan 2019

I thought now as more nations are involved, we could be looking at an amazingly complex crime here.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
32. Likely treason level stuff. But be patient. I know it is hard with the damage the buffoon is doing
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 11:27 PM
Jan 2019

But, when charges come down, they should be so solid that any person with a working brain will see that they are rock solid.

 

sfwriter

(3,032 posts)
46. Yeah, and as wide as they are deep.
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 03:09 AM
Jan 2019

If a guy like papadopolis caught a charge, people like hope hicks are screwed.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
62. I am going to enjoy seeing all of the bastard roast, after what they did to Hillary and the country.
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 12:48 PM
Jan 2019

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
77. Well crap they've had the intel for "years" while the country burned,
Fri Jan 11, 2019, 10:28 AM
Jan 2019

it better be comprehensive and redeeming to the extent it restores our country. Elsewise...what's the point if the guy does his term anyway or shuts the country down erdogan style and it's a mess?

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,020 posts)
64. +1. Lives depend on it. It needs to be rock solid or the Deplorables will be revolting.
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 01:18 PM
Jan 2019

Well, they are revolting people.

But if the case is not rock-solid, they will take up arms and kill people. Some will anyway, but a lot fewer people will die if Mueller presents a rock-solid case in a detailed incontrovertible report.

BumRushDaShow

(129,217 posts)
12. But it is owned by someone we are all familiar with
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 10:15 PM
Jan 2019
Developer’s Son Acquires The New York Observer

By KATHARINE Q. SEELYE JULY 31, 2006

Jared Kushner, the 25-year-old son of a wealthy New Jersey developer who was sentenced to prison last year, has bought The New York Observer, paying what one person familiar with details of the sale said was nearly $10 million for a majority stake in the weekly newspaper.

“I own The New York Observer,” he said yesterday. Mr. Kushner said that he bought the newspaper because it was a marquee property in the media capital of the world, and that the opportunity to buy a newspaper did not come around very often. The paper’s relatively small circulation — 50,000 — belies its influence, particularly in New York’s media, political and real estate circles.

He also said The Observer was a good brand that could one day make a lot of money, though it now loses about $2 million a year.

Because every side of the transaction is private, it is difficult to precisely determine the financing behind the deal. It is not clear how much of a stake Mr. Kushner bought, but Arthur Carter, the current publisher of The Observer, is retaining some interest and will be offering the new owner strategic advice.

https://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/31/business/media/31observer.html

Takket

(21,592 posts)
27. "the 25-year-old son of a wealthy New Jersey developer who was sentenced to prison last year"
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 11:06 PM
Jan 2019

This is how he should be introduced in EVERY article! age adjusted of course.

of course he'll have his own prison sentence to deal with soon enough.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
25. Kushner's brother-in-law is now the publisher, and Schindler has been a never-Trumper
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 10:53 PM
Jan 2019

from the get-go.

I wouldn't automatically assume that his brother-in-law even likes the smug, self-promoting prick. Would you, if he were your brother-in-law?

Response to applegrove (Original post)

True Dough

(17,313 posts)
28. He's like an automaton
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 11:21 PM
Jan 2019

Standing there like a trained dog, staring in admiration at his master. He plays the role really, really well.

applegrove

(118,723 posts)
41. Who was that spy in Maxwell Smart who was always hiding in places
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 12:07 AM
Jan 2019

like the garbage can or the post office box? Harvey? Hamie? That is what Pence's grin reminds me of.

True Dough

(17,313 posts)
50. A quick IMDb search tells me it was Hymie
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 07:20 AM
Jan 2019

I honestly didn't know. Maxwell Smart was just a little before my time and I never caught the reruns. The only things I knew of that series were Don Adams playing the main character and Maxwell Smart sometimes talked into a shoe phone.

True Dough

(17,313 posts)
53. Yes, it appears Hymie was a robot
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 09:48 AM
Jan 2019

whether that is the character that Applegrove was referring to, I'm not certain.

GeorgeGist

(25,322 posts)
17. So Schindler is claiming that Manafort's Madrid rendezvous ...
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 10:37 PM
Jan 2019

with Kilimnik was after Trump was President.

Color me disbeliever.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
20. That is what Manafort's lawyer is saying. Schindler is saying even if that is true
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 10:46 PM
Jan 2019

it doesn't help Manafort's case. The campaign polling data was sent to the Russians beginning in the spring of 2016.

Since the Russians were interested in concessions on Ukraine, the fact that Manafort was meeting with Kilimnik after the election isn't helpful to his case.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/08/politics/manafort-russia-court-deadline/index.html

Manafort's filing also acknowledges he met with Kilimnik in Madrid. Later Tuesday, Manafort spokesman Jason Maloni said that meeting was in January or February 2017, after Trump was elected. There are two known meetings during the campaign between Manafort and Kilimnik.

Botany

(70,539 posts)
18. Prague is a very modern city and I am sure Mr. Muller
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 10:37 PM
Jan 2019

Last edited Wed Jan 9, 2019, 11:36 PM - Edit history (2)

... knows about the survalence cameras that might show Michael Cohen. Forget the pre pre stuff and focus on the important part of the Steele dossier that Cohen met with Russians in Prague in the late summer of 2016 to help rig the elections.

I would put money on that Ivanka and Jared were there too.

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article208870264.html

Sources: Mueller has evidence Cohen was in Prague in 2016, confirming part of dossier

Read more here: https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article208870264.html#storylink=cpy

GoCubsGo

(32,086 posts)
22. I have no doubt that this is the case.
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 10:49 PM
Jan 2019

The country is going to be absolutely shocked when the things he knows are made public. I think even those of us whom nothing surprises anymore will be surprised.

former9thward

(32,044 posts)
31. Another garbage report with no sources.
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 11:26 PM
Jan 2019

How many of these have been published over the last two years? Lost count a long time ago.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,865 posts)
33. There is something vaguely familiar here.
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 11:30 PM
Jan 2019

Oh, yeah, now I remember. This sort of thing gets posted on a daily basis. We see gleeful posts about Trump's imminent demise quite regularly.

RobinA

(9,894 posts)
36. Ya Got That Right
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 11:41 PM
Jan 2019

I’m expecting Mueller to get a few more people in trouble, report will be underwhelming, Trump will roll on. People put too much stock in this whole investigation. I hope I’m wrong, but I’m not holding my breath.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,865 posts)
40. And you likewise got it right.
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 12:02 AM
Jan 2019

People make a big deal about the few people who've been indicted or even convicted, but that hasn't put a dent into the damage Trump and his entire administration keep on doing.

Texasgal

(17,046 posts)
34. I'm tired of waiting.
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 11:31 PM
Jan 2019

Fuck this... at this point Trump has our nation in the toilet and I am becoming more and more leary of what is going to happen here.

0rganism

(23,959 posts)
35. only Mueller knows the full extent of our defeat
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 11:31 PM
Jan 2019

only one American has reviewed all the evidence and seen the true unveiled nature of which the rest of us see only glimpses, fleeting shadows, to fuel inference with little direct evidence.

he's basically our Obi Wan Kenobi at this point, either he comes through or civilization dies off. and like Obi Wan, if they strike him down he'll only become stronger.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,175 posts)
38. OMG please stop with these Little Boy that Cried Mueller headlines
Wed Jan 9, 2019, 11:52 PM
Jan 2019

The investigation will probably go on for at least another 6 months. And we still don't really know what will come out of it all. Or how much they'll bury for "national security" reasons.

I think it will be the ultimate end of the Trump presidency, but ffs can we wait a bit before cracking the champagne? Because I'll bet dollars to donuts there will be some results we will be angry about, that Mueller didn't investigate, or if he did, we are not happy with the conclusion presented.

Save your energy for that

blue-wave

(4,356 posts)
42. Then let's get this ship
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 12:19 AM
Jan 2019

sunk already. Geez, how long will this take? I'm getting tired and I think most of the country is worn out with this circus show. Drop the hammer already.

Judi Lynn

(160,586 posts)
47. I believe they know exactly what to do and how to do it and are proceeding as appropriate.
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 03:23 AM
Jan 2019

I've got the time for them to get solid, legitimate results. Why should my lack of understanding have any importance?

Looking forward to watching how they will wrap this thing up, and the manner in which it will unfold. Should be fascinating.

They are the experts, after all, in a grotesquely intense, challenging situation where they can not afford to make any mistakes.

Mastery over impulse, over demands for satisfaction is something evolving people are expected to learn.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
48. If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is.
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 03:38 AM
Jan 2019

How many times can one be told that the lid is about to be ripped off the whole ugly can of worms, and then...

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
52. Cohen's phone was tracked down to a cellphone-tower in Prague in summer 2016.
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 08:06 AM
Jan 2019

Cellphones and Smartphones automatically connect to the next-best cellphone-tower nearby, to be ready just in case. It doesn't connect you to the nearest cellphone-tower: It connects you to the one with the best reception.

While this is not accurate enough to pinpoint your exact location, it's good enough to find out whether you were in the general area.



We don't know whether Cohen was in Prague at the time, but his cellphone definitely was.

 

allgood33

(1,584 posts)
60. I had forgotten about the info that Snowden took to Russia. Hmmm. Wonder how much of it
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 11:07 AM
Jan 2019

helped Russia with Trump since 2013?

Firestorm49

(4,036 posts)
65. I want to actually see and read the outcome of the investigation.
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 03:38 PM
Jan 2019

The Exalted Orange Leader will do his utmost to shitcan the results of the investigation the day it comes out, as is evidenced not only by the appointment of the snake, Whittaker, but by Barr as well. His newly appointed corral of seventeen additional lawyers are hard at work as we speak.

After all the time this investigation has taken, after all of the hours of sitting on the edge of the couch listening to Rachael, wondering what Mueller knows, after all the cussing, pissing and moaning, I feel the American public has the right to actually know what went down, how it went down, and what the repercussions should be. This is epic groundbreaking information, and “ WE THE PEOPLE” CAN HANDLE IT!

After all of the bullshit, fiascos, and scandals that have emanated from the mouth of this farce of a so called President and his complicit band of gypsies, no news could be any more damaging or disruptive. However, nothing would be more assuring to “we the people” than to know the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.”

SansACause

(520 posts)
66. Fan fiction
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 03:44 PM
Jan 2019

Schindler, Mensch, etc., just making up fan fiction. I wish folks would stop posting this garbage on DU.

Renew Deal

(81,866 posts)
67. The Michael Cohen Prague claim came from the Dossier, not Mueller.
Thu Jan 10, 2019, 03:47 PM
Jan 2019

Maybe Cohen's passport went to Prague, but not Cohen?

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