For those beginning to consider "some sort of compromise" with Trump and

[Atticus]

his crew: STOP! Can you even IMAGINE how extreme he will be if we roll over and he can crow about it to the knuckle draggers?

The die is about to be cast. Let it ride.

[Dirty Socialist]

1. I've been saying this for a while

More for border security.
Zero for the wall.
Take it or leave it.

[brush]

79. I agree. One other thing to remember...no wall, no re-election for trump...

as he hyped the wall so much his base demands it.

[lunatica]

2. I agree!

Never give into a bully thinking he’ll stop or go away. He’ll just get worse! Your life will go from bad to worse!

[Phentex]

3. I have no respect for anyone even suggesting this...

We aren't talking about having to prioritize needs and wants. The wall is pointless. I am suspicious of anyone presenting any kind of compromise.

It's basic parenting actually.

[apcalc]

4. Never

[customerserviceguy]

5. So, what's the endgame?

Two more years of shutdown, lifted only when a Democratic president takes office on January 20, 2021?

I don't think it will go on that long, but if the case preserving DACA (for now) makes it to the SCOTUS, and there's a 5-4 decision that what one president can do with an executive order, another president can undo at will, then he'll have an even stronger negotiating position.

Something has to come about where both sides can save face, or we will have two more years of extreme damage from this wrecking ball of a presidency.

[gratuitous]

8. We're going to have two more years of extreme damage any way you slice it

Giving in to Trump's terrorist demand to light $5 billion on fire will do nothing to ameliorate that one way or the other, from what I can see. This is the first big test for oversight and accountability for Trump under a new regime. The Republican majorities in the House and Senate failed miserably at their responsibility, and that's how we got where we are now. If we're going to change the direction of things, the House Democrats must hold their position and force Trump to back down. If he prevails on this, there will be no stopping him. Any new demand will use this as the template to force a Democratic capitulation, and Trump will go further and further each time.

The Democrats have several advantages: First, public opinion is solidly in their corner. Second, Democratic voters went to the polls in record numbers just two months ago demanding a change. We got that change, and it's up to us to hold onto it by having the backs of our party's leaders. Third, even the Republicans are beginning to voice second thoughts about supporting Trump no matter what. No fewer than four Republican Senators have called for an end to the shutdown, and Trump is increasingly isolated in his position. Even some in the media are beginning to affix blame without the standard "both sides" dodge.

[customerserviceguy]

11. Yes, but

Would you rather see those two years with a functioning Environmental Protection Agency or not?

Trump is like an ape that climbed into a car with the engine running, and he just figured out how to put it in "drive" rather than "park". He hasn't even thought about the enormous power of the veto, and he's just beginning to see what awesome power the Framers gave the chief executive. He wouldn't have dared to use it while the GOP controlled both sides of Congress, but now that the Democratic party has taken back the House, he feels like it's a great weapon to get back at them for dethroning his House majority.

What matters to Trump and the Senate Republicans is how their base feels about them. They really don't care one whit about what was for them, the negative part of the last election. They feel emboldened by the gain of two seats in the Senate, and are prepared to take divided government to a new level of destruction. McConnell knows that Trump is temporary, but that his Senate majority is something he can probably enjoy for the rest of his life, or when he decides to retire, whichever comes first. By Trump taking the "blame" for the shutdown, he has inoculated the GOP Senate from any political fallout that would occur.

Talk from a few GOP'ers in the Senate is cheap. If they'd like to really effectuate change, then they should talk about what they'd do if an impeachment came over from the House. But, they'd incur the wrath of the hard-core Trump voter, and they'd be too scared to hope for a write-in victory like Murkowski got some years ago.

As long as the Trump base sticks with Trump, this thing is going to continue without a compromise being reached. And our side is not going to be able to shame that base into abandoning Trump unless he abandons them. We have a shot at that if there is a compromise that can be used to leverage support away from Trump for "selling out to the Democrats."

[gratuitous]

17. The EPA hasn't functioned for two years

I'm not sure what you're saying, here. Will his base stick with Trump if he faces down the new House Democratic majority? Obviously yes. Will they stick with him if he backs down? Probably also yes. What does "compromise" mean when Trump has stated categorically that he wants to set fire to $5 billion? That amount would be as effective in building his wall as shooting a squirt gun at a wildfire. Democrats are on solid ground to say they aren't going to endorse such a wasteful impotent act in any way. There isn't a reasonable compromise to be had with an unreasonable position.

There is no reason for Democrats to capitulate to Trump and his shrinking minority of the voters. Based on how poorly he's handled his first week of actual opposition, there is no upside to saying, "Okay, we held you up for a week. Go ahead and do what you want now."

[bluestarone]

18. EXACTLY!!!

RUMPS government running does us MORE damage anyway. HOLD OUR GROUND!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[apcalc]

27. Never

[Traildogbob]

32. WHAT???

A functioning Enviromental Protection Agency? Are you serious. He just yesterday appointed a coal lobbiest to lead the EPA! Nothing about this treasonist blow hard and his administration is "functioning", except for Putin, trump family and billionaires. We must reel him in now, after Mueller report, imprison the whole corrupt mob. Firing squad is in the constitution. They all support the death penalty, right. We are at war for our democracy. No compromise!!

[customerserviceguy]

68. Then I guess

you'll be fine with the EPA closed down for the next two years, since you think they're functionless in a Trump administration. Are there any other Federal agencies that you feel that way about?

This is a game of "chicken". For those not familiar with it, that is where two cars come barreling at each other at high speed down a rural road. Whoever pulls away first is the "chicken". Of course, that has led to many preventable deaths over the years.

[Demsrule86]

15. No, face saving for the president...period...he began this blackmail and he gets nothing.

[customerserviceguy]

24. And in the end

when he is sent packing in two years, we will have nothing in the meantime. No food stamps, no WIC, no school lunch program, and countless other things that the weakest among us depend on.

Trump is fully prepared to nuke this country economically, and Putin is there to cheer him on while it happens. Are we going to just stand there and watch?

[Demsrule86]

81. It won't go on for two years. Trump is merely bloviating.

[customerserviceguy]

87. So

You think he will capitulate, and Schumer and Pelosi will win? What do you base that on, his love of the USA and all of the people within it?

I see an evil man with nothing to lose by holding on as long as he can to the idea of winning over his enemies.

[Demsrule86]

98. There are two possibiities...he uses the national emergency, reopens the governent but does nothing

else thus staying out of court ot he tries to re-purpose money and ends up in court. That is the emergency out. The other one is that Mitch puts a resolution on the table and makes it veto proof. This can't continue.

[customerserviceguy]

99. I agree that this can't continue

but it all comes down to which side has more staying power. Being ruthless, I fear that the Republicons are in that position.

Right now government workers, and especially contractors are getting screwed, but their numbers are small when compared to SNAP recipients. When the February food stamp allocation is spent by the middle of that month, and there is no March allocation, then the congressional phone lines get jammed with, "Just give him something, we're starving here!" The amount spent on SNAP in a month is just a bit less than what Trump wants this year for the wall.

Rethuglicans, even ones seeming to lose money from the shutdown, have far more staying power than people with acute needs.

[annabanana]

29. Just how long do you think federal employees can hold on?

There will BE NO GOVERNMENT LEFT if it goes on that long. I expect that is just exactly what Putin wants.

edit: This is Miller & Bannon's "deconstruction of the administrative state" in action people.

[customerserviceguy]

31. Most Federal employees

really have not been financially or emotionally prepared for anything even close to a month, all previous shutdowns have been brief.

But Trump does not care about them one little bit, the unfunded parts of the government are among his least favorites. He's counting on Federal employees and affected program beneficiaries to pressure Pelosi and Schumer into some sort of compromise on wall money. The longer it goes on, the stronger Trump's negotiating position becomes.

[annabanana]

36. He's choking CBP..and ICE.. two of his favorites. . .n/t

[customerserviceguy]

48. And nobody in the news media

gives a damn about those two agencies.

What if Trump decided to call out private militias to patrol the border? We'd see all kinds of mayhem if that happened, and maybe that's what he really wants.

[Arazi]

73. TSA and air traffic controllers walking off would end this pronto

Congress members need to get out of town. Remove that ability and there would be some swift dealmaking.

[customerserviceguy]

89. Or, as I predict

...compromise.

Trump doesn't need to get out of D.C. Yes, he'd like to every once in awhile, but there is no absolute need to do so, and hell, he could order a motorcade to drive to Mar-a-Lago, if he wants that. Unfortunately, he holds the stronger position.

When the law that created shutdowns was passed, it was assumed that deals would be made to avoid, or at least limit them. Right now, we have an extreme egotist in the White House who has learned from his real estate experience to walk away from the table if he doesn't get what he wants. That wasn't contemplated by the framers of the law regarding shutdowns.

[PubliusEnigma]

39. Trump will declare a National Emergency and still no wall will be built. That's the Endgame.

[customerserviceguy]

47. I realize that the courts

may slow down his wall, but it all comes down to the SCOTUS. This is why we fought Kavanaugh so hard, and why e should have fought harder on Gorsuch.

What gets Trump's signature on a bill to re-open the government? Or, what gets a two-thirds majority in each side of Congress to override a veto? I admit, it might be easier to compromise with the GOP'ers in Congress to get those super-majorities, but maybe not. How much damage is done in the meantime?

[Atticus]

59. It seems as though you basically agree with Mitch: no sense opposing Trump; pay the

ransom and let him take credit for opening the government.

Are we willing to pay ransom for the Dreamers and marriage equality and the environment and what's left of the ACA? Do we REALLY need the EPA and Medicare and Social Security and shouldn't wealthy people get more than just one vote?

Bottom line: we are dealing with a monster. Any compromise would encourage him to do much worse.

It stops here.

[customerserviceguy]

61. I don't "agree" with

the turtle, but we are dealing with a powerful madman here, and we don't have what it takes to defeat him at this time.

How about we trust Schumer and Pelosi to get the best deal they can, and let the deplorables freak out about being sold out? The only way to conquer Trump and his base in the short term is to divide them, and a compromise would be the first step in that direction.

[Atticus]

64. We fundamentally disagree. Have a good evening. nt

[customerserviceguy]

67. We do, and the best to you and your family. n/t

[John Fante]

70. No. Wall. Money. Ever.

Appeasement only emboldens the aggressor.

As for the deplorables feeling they were sold out - haha. Any bill that includes wall funding will (correctly) be seen as Pelosi and Schumer caving into Trump. The deplorables will proclaim it a glorious victory for their Fuhrer and so will the press.

[customerserviceguy]

72. And that

is exactly what Trump and his base feel.

So, if both sides permanently maintain their positions, fearing being seen as "caving" to the other, what happens then?

Can we wait until January 20, 2021 to fix this? Me, I've got retirement savings, and while I planned on taking early Social Security this year, if I couldn't do that, I wouldn't be destitute or out on the street. My lady is already getting her retirement from her company (I can't do that until November, 2020) so, we're OK.

Aren't most, if not nearly all, affected Federal workers and contractors in a horrible position? Should they all just quit and take jobs at Wal-Mart, assuming there are any such jobs? Is their suffering a fair price for stiffing Trump for a couple of years max?

[dansolo]

96. Trump won't declare a national emergency

If he did, then all his leverage is gone, and his excuse to keep the government shutdown goes away.

[pangaia]

76. "Something has to come about where both sides can save face.."

BOTH SIDES-- save face?

Where in the worldd ddid that come from.
trump is the one who needs to save face.. Nobody else..
False equivalency.

[Atticus]

86. Amen! nt

[customerserviceguy]

90. Trump

doesn't need to do anything, he can let the government shutdown continue indefinitely. The military is still funded, and most of what he considers essential is still operating.

Negotiations involve letting both parties to a situation claim that they got at least part of what they wanted, if the shutdown is to end before January 20, 2021, then such a thing will come to pass.

Trump doesn't need squat. He has more than enough money to live the rest of his life in safety and comfort beyond what you and I will ever experience.

[X_Digger]

84. Not a goddamned dollar for the wall. None. Zero. Zilch. Capisci? n/t

[KPN]

104. Both sides save face? Lol. We don't need to save

anything. We don’t need to nor should we negotiate anything on this. Negotiating anything would be capitulating to, frankly, the treasonous terrorist occupying the WH illegitimately.

Instead we should individually do all we can to support the affected federal workers. I called my credit union a week ago and asked them how they were helping affected federal workers living in our community deal with any Funchal issues. I asked to speak to the branch manager, told him I’d been a member for 30 years and asked him what official direction he has received from the CEO and whether the Board had given direction. I was pleased with what I heard, and told him had I not been I would have called the CEO and Board members (who are elected from members by the membership). I will do whatever I can including assisting with interest free loans if there is a need and viable means of doing so. I would certainly support any federal worker walkout and/or demonstrations locally.

[BootinUp]

6. Let it ride.

[Adrahil]

7. Depends on the compromise.

It's be hard to turn down for full legal status and a path to citizenship for the Dreamers.

I'd rather not budge on the stupid wall. But what I posted above would help a LOT of people.

[Demsrule86]

16. That will not be offered Limbaugh and Coulter who engineered the shutdown will be livid.

He want the Dems to cave and that must not happen period end of story.

[Adrahil]

19. I agree....

We are not likely to get a compromise offer I'd consider worth it. ANd it would be a bonus if Limbaugh's and Coulter's heads explode.
It would totally neutralize Trump's claim of victory.

But if we DID..... I'd take that deal.

[Demsrule86]

82. Of course!

[customerserviceguy]

21. And

if you added a path to citizenship for the folks who are facing the same threat as the DACA beneficiaries, it would be impossible to turn down. Plus, it sows the seeds of resentment for the hard core Trump voter who would be left mumbling, "They're all alike, they all want to screw me over for some foreigners."

Then they go back to not giving a damn about elections, the way they did when Barack Obama won twice.

[Adrahil]

22. yup. nt

[anarch]

9. agreed, but...

I would be ok with funding the enhancement of areas where there's already a wall/fence, in exchange for either of:

1. Making all Dreamers permanently legal residents with a path to citizenship in the next five years, and the immediate disbanding of ICE.

or

2. Fuckface's immediate resignation and departure from the country, with a promise never to return and to refrain from any and all social media posting and/or self-promotion.

[Demsrule86]

14. None of your conditions will happen.

[Honeycombe8]

41. I believe funding for border security is already in the bill that was passed by Congress.

It's only the wall that isn't funded. It was a full funding bill, bipartisan.

[standingtall]

10. I agree we shouldn't give him anything

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repukes started aggressively using government shutdowns when Obama was President to get what they want. That is where Trump got the idea from and it needs to stop.

[Hekate]

92. IIRC it started with Newt Gingrich. Goddam GOP trying to break the federal government ...

I think it was Grover Norquist who said the federal government should be reduced to a small enough size to be drowned in a bathtub -- and then pull the plug.

There is a lot of inhumane raw hatred in that bunch, and they've been at it for decades.

[Demsrule86]

12. He will keep this up forever.The GOP has been doing this for years...no deal. We don't

reward blackmailers.

[customerserviceguy]

26. What the GOP has done in the past

is NOTHING like what Trump is prepared to do. They all wanted to get re-elected multiple times, at this point, all Trump is giving up is one possible re-election. They all wanted to get jobs as lobbyists after the Senate, Trump doesn't need that. He's already a permanent stain on our nation's history, he's happy with that, he just wants to make the mess more memorable.

It's all fun for the cops to say that "we don't negotiate with kidnappers" because they haven't got as much skin in the game as the family of the kidnap victim that is looking to scrape up ransom money.

[Demsrule86]

80. You can't give into blackmail...Trump wants to be re-elected too but no matter what

It is untenable now...the cracks are there...and it will be over one way or the other soon.

[customerserviceguy]

91. Yes, he wants to be re-elected

but that is secondary to winning the current battle. He will be most content to take his ball and go home when the day arrives for him to leave the White House.

He is all about doing whatever it takes to defeat his enemies in the short term, damn the consequences, because they're pretty insubstantial in the end. If Pence doesn't agree to grant him a pardon, he will pardon himself, and let the courts spend the next ten or so years working that out. He has enough money for lawyers to litigate for at least that long.

[Demsrule86]

97. There will be state charges in New York.

[Grasswire2]

13. Bulllies only become more irascible if you give in.

NEVER NEVER NEVER fold.

[StarryNite]

20. No compromising with a traitor!

We MUST stand our ground!

[Caliman73]

23. Tantamount to giving a hostage taker what he wants.

The wall, as others have said, is completely pointless. It is not a waste of 5 billion dollars it is a waste of at least 25 billion dollars to build and billions upon billions for maintenance.

Trump is trying to sell America a timeshare and no one is talking about it. They are focused on 5 billion dollars which is a lot of money, but relatively little within the budget process. The problem is that it ISN'T only 5 billion dollars. 5 billion is to START the wall. Estimates have been made of 20 billion dollars on the low end and up to 100 billion for the completion of the wall itself. There were also estimates of an additional 35 billion dollars for maintenance over the first 7 years. Cost of maintenance would certainly go up as the wall ages as well. It is a boondogle which would serve no purpose in stemming undocumented immigration.

[NightWatcher]

25. He's losing and distracting. Let him suffer. Don't give him a win.

[dameatball]

28. No deal. No wall. How big of a sucker does one have to be to think Trump will not use the same ploy

for whatever else he wants? I see the occasional thread on DU where someone is making fun of regretful Trump voters who have been disillusioned. The usual response from us is along the lines of "Well, you knew who he was before you voted for him." If we haven't learned that lesson by now I don't know what is wrong with us. No wall. Period.

[llmart]

30. I'm with you and all the others who say, no deal!

It would only embolden them to use this tactic over and over again.

I'm sorry if good people get hurt by this, but I'm not sorry if Trump voters get hurt by this and I'd wager a bet that they get more federal bennies than most people; i.e. food stamps, farm subsidies, etc. We are never, NEVER going to reach those hard core Trumpers anyway and they are a minority.

[sagesnow]

33. It feels to me like we are at Civil War and will

have to hold the battle lines for the next two years. Hope the Trump Shutdown doesn't last that long.

[duforsure]

34. NO WALL!

Or this will only get used again next time. republicans are running away from trump and the party now, and nothing should be given to them. Its continuous damage to trump , and the republicans in Congress , so let it ride , and don't give an inch, or next time it'll be worse. Even if he agrees to do anything he won't keep his word, so don't agree with him on anything. 2020 is going to get better for us if they're stupid enough to let this continue. trumps losing badly, and dragging all the republicans with him.

[BamaRefugee]

35. The "no food safety inspections" could bring everything down, including us...just wait til 150 kids

get sick from their school lunch and 3 of them die...Dems, as we should be, are far too compassionate to just sit that out, Republicans would absolutely revel in their deaths, SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST muddafukkas!!!!

[bitterross]

37. NO COMPROMISE! NONE!

You are correct. It will be a nightmare if we do.

[N_E_1 for Tennis]

38. No wall...

[Power 2 the People]

40. +1000

[onenote]

42. Compromise? Here's a compromise:

Trump gets his $5.7 billion. As part of the same legislation: statutory protection for Dreamers, universal background checks for gun purchases, and a tax surcharge raising $11.4 billion ($2 for every one spent on the wall) is imposed on taxpayers with over $1 million in adjusted gross income.

[BlueJac]

43. I am all in...

No wall and no caving to a Trump temper tantrum. Create your imaginary national crisis.

[lunasun]

44. Let you Congress critters know - you do not want big $$ spent on a wall by any name

Dems should be running more ads against the wall and what they represent for the US

[Catch2.2]

45. Agree 100%

You can't compromise with the egomaniac man child such as Traitor Trump!

[Mr.Bill]

46. Any negotiating about anything

is a waste of time. Trump is a pathological liar who doesn't even honor his end of a deal anyway.

Pelosi and Schumer should say so every time they get in front of a microphone and should never meet with him again for any reason whatsoever.

[Vinca]

49. He had his chance for compromise. It was the bill passed by the House and Senate that

Limbaugh and Coulter told him not to sign. Why's Don "negotiating" anyway? They might as well bring in the right wing media personalities to try to cut a deal.

[humbled_opinion]

50. 100%

He is acting like a petulant child and giving in now will reward this behavior, that cannot be allowed to happen ever. Besides we are on the right side of this issue, why should we enable a racist that simply wants a barrier as a monument to himself on how he stopped all the people that don't look like him from getting in to the USA.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

51. One doesn't negotiate with terrorists - or two-year-olds.

[Luciferous]

85. +1000

[Drifter]

52. Not a fucking dime ...

for the wall.

If you give them an inch. They will want 2000 miles.

Cheers
Drifter

[mahatmakanejeeves]

53. "Sir, I have a message from Bastogne."

[Hekate]

94. The first I ever heard that story, I was taking Latin in high school.We laboriously translated it...

...back into English. The punch line was "Nuces!" I forgot the Latin in time, but never the story or its lesson. You do not, repeat not, give in to Nazis, whatever they are calling themselves today.

Thanks for the reminder.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

54. Don't even fuckin THINK about it!!!

[NRaleighLiberal]

55. Abso...f***ing...LUTELY! No wall for him!

[regnaD kciN]

56. Frankly, anyone who suggests "compromise" on the wall is a fool...

If Trump gets even a shred of something he can tout as “the wall,” he’ll turn it into a nonstop victory lap that will strengthen him with his base and give him the aura of having been victorious in his battle with Democrats (and leave Democrats once again looking like “wimps” in the eyes of many on the left), all of which will leave him in a much stronger position for 2020. Not to mention that, if he and Yurtle see that they can get whatever they want by shutting down government and waiting for Democrats to fold, we’ll see the tactic used over and over from now on.

[Atticus]

62. Bless your common sense! nt

[customerserviceguy]

66. It depends on two things

First, what would Trump have to give up to get the partial funding of the wall, and would we implode from the compromise faster than Trump's base would?

Trust Schumer and Pelosi to make the best deal they can, and then accept it, while egging on the deplorables that Trump has suckered them. Their worst fear is that Trump will make deals with "Chuck and Nancy" that will backtrack on all the blather he spewed at them during the campaign, and since.

[SCVDem]

57. Is anyone else thinking of

Neville Chamberlain?

The lesson?

Never appease a dictator!

Never!

[Taraman]

58. Do not give in to this blackmail from this sociopath

I just called my senators and got right through. They need to keep their oaths to protect and defend the Constitution.

No wall. No way.

[The Mouth]

60. Perhaps, even if approved, it would take 10 years or so to build

if he isn't gone long before then, a wall will be the least of our worries.

For all of my desire to not to give in, we've already probably had more than 5 billion in damage done to this country. Sometimes even smart and powerful people just pay the kidnapper.

Just playing 'Devil's advocate'. But maybe giving him the damned money and tying up the actual construction until after the next election would result in the least harm to the greatest number of people. Sometimes you just have to hand over your money to the mugger.

[Locrian]

63. if the dems give in

They will IMMEDIATELY be seen as weak, and trump will use it again and again to get what he wants
**AND**
They will get blamed for the shutdown in the first place because they could have avoided it by just giving in sooner

Don't think for a second that the trump/gop etc would be "good winners" etc.
They would immediately go into attack mode once the got what they wanted.

[calimary]

65. Not an inch do you give, Dems! Consider that an order. From YOUR EMPLOYERS.

Your employers are the U.S. taxpayers.

And donald, you may have SAID you’re not taking your yearly salary...
(which is 400-grand. PLUS a 50-thousand dollar expense account, a $100,000 non-taxable travel account, and another 19-thousand dollars for entertainment. I looked it up)
...but you lie so damn often that nobody can seriously believe ANYTHING you’ve said or declared or offered - or promised! (Unless they’re among the willfully stupid, in denial, or just don’t care! OR they just haven’t personally felt any pain yet.)

[Crunchy Frog]

69. Appeasement when dealing with virtual nazis.

Not a good strategy.

[Nevermypresident]

71. Not. one. red. cent. for. his. wall

[obamanut2012]

75. Tax refunds, TSA/air travel, Coasties, and SNAP will reopen the govt

Even Precheck/Global Check and VIP lines at TSA are being closed, and evefryone is being sent to regular TSA. People depend on tax returns for vacations, home repairs, etc. The majority of SNAP users are rural white folks. The Coast Guard patrols the longest border in the US.

At this point, I blame it on McConnell.

[CozyMystery]

77. I agree. No compromising with a terroristic prez.

My family is impacted by the shutdown. We have been waiting for payment since before Thanksgiving, and the agency that pays us ran out of money by mid-December. Just before Thanksgiving, we lost all our frozen food (2 large freezers) due to a power outage that lasted nearly a week. In 2 weeks, when my turn at the food bank comes up, I'm going there. We have enough food to last until then. We are making it by borrowing, but our adult children's money has now run out.

The only working phone is my cell phone b/c my daughter paid the bill. The business landlines and cell phones have been shut off for 2 weeks due to nonpayment.

Our emergency fund is also gone.

So I'm not talking as something who has it made. My opinion is solely based on the fact that Trump is a terrorist and on what I think will be best for the people of this country.

I have more opinions, but I would probably get kicked off of DU if I expressed them. I am furious that we, as a nation, are being held hostage by an illegally elected president.

[Atticus]

78. I admire your courage and your integrity. Please hang on. We need folks like you. nt

[JHB]

83. Hip hooray for Neville Chamberlain, we take our hats off to you...

You met Hitler in his Berchesgarten, told him just what he could do-hoo-oo-oo-oo
Your little paper means Peace In Our Time
Now we can romance, and fall into rhyme
You gave us peace in our life-time
Chamberlain, three cheers for you (we won't need gas masks)
Chamberlain, three cheers for you


Trump has a long track record of welching on deals as soon as he has what he wants.
A compromise is a deal, and his deals are worthless. It's that simple.

[Hekate]

88. The Mad King was under the impression that he could break Mme Speaker and make her buckle...

...at the knees. He thought he could just roll over Mighty Nancy.

Big mistake.

[Hekate]

93. I trust Speaker Pelosi and Senator Schumer. They have a plan & Trump has none. nt

[Hermit-The-Prog]

95. they and others need to know we back them

Calls, letters, faxes, emails, whatever it takes to let them know that we're with them.

(My senator is Mitch. All I got from complaints is, suddenly, NRA membership offers. Never had one of those until contacting McTraitor. Strange, eh? )

[Yeehah]

100. Democrats CANNOT cave!

A wall on the Mexican border is an ABSURDITY!

[torius]

102. Once the Deplorables lose their food stamps

and rent assistance, they will turn against him. It will be a Thermidorian reaction.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

103. While I admire the resolve of most posters, at some point we'll have to cave.

Simple compassion should force us to do what it takes to get paychecks flowing again to government employees and contractors. Even those who are financially able to withstand a short shutdown are living under constant threat and stress.

I'm not financially affected by this shutdown, but many are, and how do we help? Give the moron his fucking wall, maybe get DACA a citizenship path in the bargain.

There is hardship coming for many, and soon. How long can we ride our high horse? Many can't last until the next election.

[no_hypocrisy]

105. WARNING: Compromise with Trump today and

24 hours later, he will have a new demand with more leverage.

[Atticus]

106. THANK YOU! NT