Trump will be Charged with Treason.

[berni_mccoy]

Many have suspected it.

Some have known it in their bones.

It will be made clear to all of the world when Mueller’s report comes out.

[RHMerriman]

1. And if convicted, he should face the death penalty...

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Ad if convicted, he should face the death penalty...

Gawddamned traitors...

[The Blue Flower]

4. Agree

At this very moment, he's doing everything in his power to destroy America and Americans.

[RHMerriman]

6. True that...

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

55. The shameless gall and deception.

He's known the WHOLE TIME HE WAS RIDING DIRTY. And he willfully kept it up. The whole family. A family affair of brazen betrayal. They all knew and participated. Historic prevarication and lies. They thought we all just fell off the turnip truck.

[OMGWTF]

53. Including my USCG son's young family.

Unfortunately, even though his unit won't get paid everyone but him is still a stupid fking MAGAt.

[UniteFightBack]

24. OMG could you IMAGINE???? !!!!!!!!!!!!! nt

[LiberalFighter]

28. His whole family should be.

[Liberty Belle]

34. There should be NO TALK of pardoning him if he steps down.

That may be okay for a president who commits more minor transgresssions- ie, Nixon covernig up a breakin of a political opponent.

But a president who commits the highest crime possible - treason -working as an agent of a hostile foreign power--should be made an example of with the harshest sentence allowed under the Constitution.

[Codeine]

67. Except he hasn't committed treason.

Words have meaning.

[Liberty Belle]

69. If it's espionage, same thing. No pardon. These are betrayals of America,

Not lesser crimes, but the worst of all crimes a president could commit short of mass murder.

[Grasswire2]

51. Many people -- Dems too -- say he should just agree to resign and that's enough.

A thousand times no.

A thousand times no.

Must be made an example for history.

Must be rendered absolutely powerless. Impoverished.

And his spawn, as well.

The Rosenberg solution is still an option.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

60. 1000 times....uh..HAIL NO. This was painful.

Took three years of everyones lives. Hurt almost ALL of us. There needs to be VAST atonement. melly gets to go to jail too i hope. If shes not part of it all somehow ill eat my hat.

[vlyons]

57. disagree

I am opposed to the death penal for many reasons. In the case of Traitor Trump, death is a much too easy out. I want him to get life in prison with no parole in a high risk fed prison. That would mean 23 hr a day in solitary cell of 4' x 8' or so. No one to talk to. Gray walls. No TV. No entertainment. Since he doesn't read, no books. Very limited visits. All alone to contemplate how he ended up in the clinker. Day after day after day. It would be hell for him. A hell of his own making.

[Ilsa]

65. Sure as hell don't want to see interviews of him on tv.

That would drive him nuts, not having any attention paid to him.

[Kablooie]

61. But unfortunately he will face a pardon instead.

I'm sure Pence will take over and try to appease Trump's base by pardoning him.
(The only way Pence won't be president is if he is taken down before Trump and I don't see that happening. Even if he is listed in Mueller's report the Republicans he will still be Vice President and Republicans will prevent him from being taken out.)

[duforsure]

62. I agree

And the whole family is a criminal enterprise.

[dem4decades]

2. We are not at war.

[cannabis_flower]

8. We were under attack by a hostile foreign government ...

as much as we were at Pearl Harbor! We had not declared war, but war had been launched on us. We were at war.

[sarcasmo]

32. Exactly and we have been under attack by Russia long before Trump came down the escalator.

[onenote]

59. If we're in a state of war with Russia

How is it that we still have diplomatic relations with Russia. We still engage in bilateral trade with Russia. Citizens of Russia and the US travel between the two countries. Russia has been not been designated an enemy under the trading with the enemies act. In short, none of the indicia that would suggest a state of war exists between Russia and the US exist.

[Codeine]

68. The US Code defines "enemy" quite specifically

and Russia doesn’t meet that definition.

[Zoonart]

10. The attack on our election could be called an act of war.

The Russian cyber intrusion on our electrical power grid is an act of war. Just because no shots have been fired it is no less warlike. Russia attacked American Democracy in 2026... information warfare. Those are not my words, but those of David Corn tonight on MSNBC.

[Codeine]

13. No it could not.

This has been discussed ad nauseum. I have provided cites. I have provided links to relevant legal codes. There is no actvof war, and there is no act of treason.

Espionage? Oh fuck yeah. Treason? No.

[RHMerriman]

31. Please provide a cite that deals with the commander-in-chief ...

And beyond that, one which is applicable in the current universe of "unlawful enemy combatants" being the "enemy" in a series of undeclared wars going on for 17 years.

Thanks; we'll wait.

[link:https://usiraq.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000934|]

[triron]

35. A "declared war" (as in shooting) is obsolete imo. Won't ever happen again.

[grantcart]

40. Not Treason per Constitution. Could be sedition

There are numerous other charges akin to traitorous acts but not treason

[Takket]

41. It is an act of war if Congress says it is

I don’t think they will do that, since it isn’t necessary to drumpf and family away for life, and it wouldn’t pass the Senate, but they could.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

54. Yup, treason... there's no doubt!

[RHMerriman]

11. See below:

[link:https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2381|]

18 U.S. Code § 2381 - Treason

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 807; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(2)(J), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)

Define "enemies" - currently, that includes "unlawful enemy combatants" in a series of undeclared wars.

Espionage can also be a federal death penalty offense, under 18 U.S. Code § 794.

[triron]

15. Thank you.

[RHMerriman]

19. Sure ... one issue to consider in this is that the situation is literally

Sure ... one issue to consider in this is that the situation is literally without precedent.

Even the federal elected officials and officers who went south in 1860-61 - almost to a man - were smart enough to resign their positions before they left.

The closest thing historically I can come up with would be the James Wilkinson case, and although his treason was widely suspected in his lifetime, it was unproven until almost three decades after his death.

And Wilkinson was a serving officer, not an elected official.

[blue-wave]

47. Exactly

The nay sayers keep on with the "it must be a declared war." I'm not reading that in the definition. And there is debate as to weather or not Putin, by destroying our electoral process as he did, declared war on us through electronic means. I lean to the treason side.

[MFM008]

37. AID and COMFORT

we are in a perpetual state of war.

[Fuzzpope]

52. Yes, we absolutely are.

The problem is, we have not been able to fight back because our enemy successfully compromised our highest power structures of government.

Russia has perpetrated near identical sophisticated acts of cyber warfare mixed with infiltration/sabotage politics on at least one other country; bullets may not be flying, but the aggressive action and intent to inflict harm is as real as tomorrow's sunrise. For the last two years, Trump has been gleefully disemboweling the federal government with the same zeal a child psychotic shows ripping wings from a fly.

And make no mistake, once this traitorous animal and enemy of all life has been neutralized, the necessity will be unavoidable where we must close with our enemy, be it via the net, or on a 20th century style battlefield. Something must be done, we absolutely cannot allow this aggression to stand unchallenged. Russia forced this path onto us, they are responsible for whatever terrible outcome both countries must now face.

Distilled to raw substance:

Vladimir Putin executed a masterful cascade of highly sophisticated, deliberate steps to inflict a maximum of damage for a minimum of investment (necessary, because they were broke, crushed under Obama's powerful sanctions), and succeeded beyond his wildest expectations. Putin is not a complex man to read, review the Helsinki footage, the recent international meeting where he high fived the Saudi murderer of the WSJ journal; the man is on a visible high, he is elated, gloating, smirking, casting a shadow that envelopes Trump at all times like an anaconda, Trump literally physically withered at his side.

This happened. Many of us were aware it was taking place in real time and have since driven ourselves half mad in the Cassandra role we are all forced to play out, helplessly while the only viable challenge to Trump stands down and steps aside as he ravages everything in sight, destroying everything his gaze falls upon.

This happened. It's still happening.

The only thing for it now is the inevitable reckoning, and I pray to God for my children's sake that this man faces a firing squad alongside everyone in his cabal and is pierced by bullets until dead, because if we do not steel our nerves and render a just and terrible retribution upon Donald Trump and show all who see the just rewards for American treachery, then all hope is lost.

[bdamomma]

3. ok

what is he going to do now??? He's a vile thing, will he declare a national emergency???? He's a rat being backed into a corner.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

5. No, he won't.

But I hope he's charged with something.

[ffr]

7. Individual-1 shot our country on 5th Avenue and got away with it. #ImpeachTheMF

Link to tweet

[sheshe2]

14. This should be an OP, ffr.

[czarjak]

48. When Sugar Daddy's sighted...

Happens every time.

[MLAA]

9. Death penalty would be too quick

Life in prison without possibility of a tanning booth would be more painful.

[chimpymustgo]

16. WHO will charge him? WHO will prosecute?

As much as I want it, I don't see how it would play out in the current political climate.

And I do believe he should face a firing squad.

[MLAA]

22. Absolute worst case....NY State will charge him if there are no federal charges.

This would be after he leaves office. But I am going to keep faith that he will face federal charges. I believe Mueller will present such undeniable evidence (recordings? Flynn? Cohen?) that federal charges will happen.

[regnaD kciN]

23. A state can't charge someone with treason...

[MLAA]

25. No, of course they can't. They will charge him for all his business crimes ie money laundering etc

Sorry, I should have made that clearer 😉

[triron]

30. Waiting until a traitor is out of office is a dangerous way to go for the country.

[regnaD kciN]

26. I'm thinking that even removing him from office runs the risk of civil war...

...if the MAGAts see the "Deep State" as having staged a coup and sentenced their hero to death on fabricated charges (as they will see them), the U.S. may as well become the Balkan peninsula in the 1990s.

[Eyeball_Kid]

50. Nah... even MAGAts have to pay their cable bills and get upset when their debit cards expire. n/t

[Hoyt]

12. Question is, can he be convicted of treason? Mueller better come up with something bigger than

what GOPers expect/fear now.

[triron]

17. See post #11 for a possible answer.

[Hoyt]

21. But, who is going to convict him of that? Not the Senate and not likely any jury.

[starphlo]

33. That's what he's been counting on

and the rest of them, Prince Kuchner and his back channel, Ivanka had to be in on it...something has to be done but idk what it will be. They all think they are above the law and it is sickening to think that maybe they are.

[Gothmog]

18. Putin owns trump

Link to tweet

?s=20

[nmgaucho]

20. Treasonous SOB

Link to tweet

[tblue37]

27. Espionage, I think, rather than treason, because legally treason requires a declared war. nt

[watoos]

45. Yes, sadly I agree.

With that said, Trump does fit the dictionary definition of a traitor.

[ProudLib72]

29. My dream looks like this

[guss]

56. goodone

[former9thward]

36. When that doesn't happen what will you say?

I want to know the CT in advance.

[struggle4progress]

38. Almost certainly not: "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war

against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court."

[triron]

39. Your conclusion does not logically follow. And it is contrary to the evidence.

[blue-wave]

49. Exactly

And if by some twisted "logic" the traitors never meet justice, then we are in a deeper hole than I ever imagined. Our country is doomed if we allow treason to exist.

[B Stieg]

42. Impeach AND Indict!

It's the only way to be sure.

[KentuckyWoman]

43. Dream on

Oh I believe he's guilty as hell but we simply don't do this to Presidents. He'll be forced to resign and pardoned. Not a single member of his immediate family will so much as pay a fine. We should do it, but we don't.

[halobeam]

64. He's not a legitimate President, otherwise I'd agree.

Our government is FUBAR. We don't have clear precedent for this.

We have a fight ahead of us, just to get the correct name/type of charge(s) that will be brought upon him/his family and others (i.e. treason, espionage, etc).

Yes we should do it, and it's likely we will do everything we can do; which is much better than the "usual" (the letting off of criminal presidents). Trump/Russia has defied America in the worst way, let alone influenced his winning in the election. This is quite different than what we've been through with past presidents.

I think they should retire 45 from the list of Presidents, void it, like a deadly storm is retired. Maybe we can begin with President 45.1 ??

Somethings gotta give.

[Stuart G]

44. The charges may not be "Treason" but Trump will be forced to resign, but

it will take time. Maybe in a few months Trump will resign. But Mueller will present enough evidence for all to see that the result will be obvious to everyone..

[watoos]

46. Do what they did to Manafort and Cohen,

take all their money and property. The Trump crime family deserves to go to jail, if they find a way to skate, leave them penniless.

[onenote]

58. For reasons that have been explained here umpteen times, you are simply, unequivocally wrong.

Sorry, but that's just the way it is.

[Codeine]

66. Endlessly explaining this is like living out

the myth of Sisyphus on a keyboard.

[malaise]

63. I hope so

I've known it for ages