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cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
Sat Jan 12, 2019, 01:17 AM Jan 2019

We're talking a counterintelligence investigation...

That's not your average criminal investigation. This is a thousand times more serious.

As I understand it, there are multiple lawyers and judges involved in these and you can't just start one on a whim or because you don't like someone.

When I think of counterintelligence I think of outright purposefully spying.

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We're talking a counterintelligence investigation... (Original Post) cynatnite Jan 2019 OP
Treason DURHAM D Jan 2019 #1
but you "cant Impeach" MFM008 Jan 2019 #2
"No collusion.." Crutchez_CuiBono Jan 2019 #3
We don't hear a lot about the CIA and the NSA C_U_L8R Jan 2019 #4
They were saying tonight that there is likely foreign intelligence as well... cynatnite Jan 2019 #5
And signal taps in and out of the country C_U_L8R Jan 2019 #6
Five Eyes. And the Estonians. And the Dutch. Oh.. Eyeball_Kid Jan 2019 #13
They have intercepted communications. They know. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2019 #7
He just might get arrested for espionage. Turbineguy Jan 2019 #8
How could our intelligence community Mme. Defarge Jan 2019 #9
They want to round up the whole mob involved. shraby Jan 2019 #10
Shock and awe. Mme. Defarge Jan 2019 #11
He's been using his pulpit to chip away at their credibility for two years eleny Jan 2019 #12
Agreed Stargazer09 Jan 2019 #16
They can not publicize the evidence Stargazer09 Jan 2019 #15
Looking at the constant attacks that he waged against the intelligence community dalton99a Jan 2019 #14
Exactly Stargazer09 Jan 2019 #17
I am not surprised Stargazer09 Jan 2019 #18
We have (both hubby & me). akraven Jan 2019 #21
Definitely frightening! Stargazer09 Jan 2019 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author crazytown Jan 2019 #19
ITMFA Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2019 #20

C_U_L8R

(45,003 posts)
6. And signal taps in and out of the country
Sat Jan 12, 2019, 01:37 AM
Jan 2019

There's got to be Trump on tape somewhere.
And still wondering about that server in the Trump Tower that was communicating with Russia.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,432 posts)
13. Five Eyes. And the Estonians. And the Dutch. Oh..
Sat Jan 12, 2019, 02:45 AM
Jan 2019

and let's not forget the NSA. Around 80%, it's estimated, of the electronically derived intelligence data collected by Mueller comes from the NSA. It's reputed that the NSA can track every person's use of every plane flight s/he bought and used. And the NSA likely has iterations of the PROMIS software that tracks anyone's whereabouts and behavior through financial exchanges. This surveillance power illustrates how naive the actors in the Trumpy/Russia affair are. The Cohen-Prague visit is well recorded. Trumpy's visit with Russian officials were all recorded. All of Kislyak's communications were recorded.

Mme. Defarge

(8,033 posts)
9. How could our intelligence community
Sat Jan 12, 2019, 01:59 AM
Jan 2019

have let this go on for so long if there is a clear and present danger?

eleny

(46,166 posts)
12. He's been using his pulpit to chip away at their credibility for two years
Sat Jan 12, 2019, 02:07 AM
Jan 2019

So I figure that they know they have to have an airtight case.

Also, the timing has to be right. He's had the iron clad support of his base. We know that this is around 40% from the recent polling. But the ground shifted with the November 2018 election. Dems chair the House committees. So now was a good time for the investigation's existence to come to light.

Stargazer09

(2,132 posts)
16. Agreed
Sat Jan 12, 2019, 03:39 AM
Jan 2019

Timing is going to be everything in this case.

The intel agencies have to stay out of it as much as possible, to protect their methods and sources. Now that we have the House, everything the GOP tried to bury is finally going to see the light of day.

I think the vast majority of Americans are unprepared for what they are about to learn. There is probably evidence out there that will be so unequivocally damning that even 45’s most ardent supporters will be left questioning their votes for him. Yes, I think it’s that bad.

It’s going to be very interesting to see how things progress from here. Scary, but interesting.

Stargazer09

(2,132 posts)
15. They can not publicize the evidence
Sat Jan 12, 2019, 03:17 AM
Jan 2019

Disclosing any of that evidence publicly will hurt their ability to continue collecting more information. It would allow our enemies to know how to better protect themselves against our intel operations, and it would feed into 45’s stupid “deep state” narratives.

I share your frustration. I can only imagine how hard it would be to work for one of the intelligence agencies right now. To possess evidence of a danger to our country without the ability to disclose that information would be horribly stressful.

dalton99a

(81,515 posts)
14. Looking at the constant attacks that he waged against the intelligence community
Sat Jan 12, 2019, 03:04 AM
Jan 2019

he knew he was the target (if not, the Russians told him)


Stargazer09

(2,132 posts)
17. Exactly
Sat Jan 12, 2019, 03:43 AM
Jan 2019

He knows that the intel community can bring him down. Unfortunately for him, his attacks probably made them even more determined to collect additional evidence against him.

Stargazer09

(2,132 posts)
18. I am not surprised
Sat Jan 12, 2019, 03:50 AM
Jan 2019

I don’t know if you’ve read Seth Abramson’s “Proof of Collusion” yet, but 45’s connections to Russia go back decades.

Given what we’ve seen just since the 2016 election, including the secret meetings with Russian agents in the White House and the way 45 acts around Putin, it’s obvious that something detrimental to the United States is going on here.

It’s nice to read confirmation from the intel community that they know that 45 is a threat.

Stargazer09

(2,132 posts)
22. Definitely frightening!
Sat Jan 12, 2019, 02:17 PM
Jan 2019

It’s comforting (in a way) to know that the book only contains public information.

If there’s that much public info pointing to 45’s guilt, it should be just a matter of time before this nightmare ends.

That hope is the only thing keeping me going right now.

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