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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forumsafter you read this thread, there will be no doubt.
The President is mentally ill, and has been for a long time.
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blueinredohio
(6,797 posts)malaise
(269,118 posts)He's a raving lunatic who conned an entire party and the media for power, racism and a few dollars more
handmade34
(22,756 posts)3 years ago+...
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)seems to be the real deal. Noticed tons of Plagiarism it seems by MSM. Everything he puts up seems to be well resourced.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)The Informant documents the mid-1990s lysine price-fixing conspiracy case and the involvement of Archer Daniels Midland executive Mark Whitacre, inspiring a film adaptation starring Matt Damon as Whitacre.
He has several others out by now, haven't had time to read them yet.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)I'll have to pick up a book of his. Not Conspiracy of Fools. That would be too upsetting to me...reading about all that they did to their employees and the country.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)I enjoy reading financial expose's. Michael Lewis is superb making money stuff crystal clear, Eichenwald is good too.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)I'm afraid reading gets me sleepy. I can't help it. I was trying to read something last night, and my eyes were getting heavier and heavier. Even though I thought what I was reading was fascinating.
There's a series on Netflix called "Dirty Money." It's fascinating. Each episode is a documentary on a big financial scandal.
I'll get something of Eichenwald's, though, and give it a shot.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Took me too long of a time to find out some of us are readers and others are...well, audiophiles.
I'm a reader, and retain a lot of what I read for quite some time.
Mr. Dixie like to process what he hears, so audio books work for him.
Saw the Dirty Money series. Very good, don'tcha think ? Did that have the program about Valeant?
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)I didn't finish the series. I got sidetracked and plan to go back and finish. Yes, one of them was about the drug business gouging people for life-saving drugs. The last episode is about Trump, the confidence man. The episodes I saw were excellent, done very well, and gripping.
I wish I could solve getting sleepy when reading. It used to not be that way. I read all of Stephen King's books back in the day, Anne Rice, and numerous histories and self-improvement and some classics. My mother was somewhat of a reader and had quite a few books on hand. But somewhere along the way, it started knocking me out so that I couldn't finish a book. I'm a good sleeper, anyway, so that when I get sleepy, I just fall asleep without a problem, usually. Maybe it's WHEN I try to read, which is at night.
Anyway, I'll check out an Eichenwald book and maybe give it a go during the day.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)But have noticed now I am much much older, hitting the hay and falling asleep much faster.
Yeh...maybe try reading during the day, sitting up. It did not take me very long to get used to a couple hours reading in the afternoon, heck, we perch in front of computers so much during the day, we useually ARE reading something.
but..a book....that deserves time also, I told myself.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)with Whitacre changed NPR in a major way. Sad to say,the story that change investigative reporting for all of Electronic Media and to a certain extent,print media as well. The Andrus Family used to be known for donations to tons of Liberal and Dem Party causes,and with the lysine thing,well,they decided it was better to protect their family interests over any type of Philanthropy that did not pay a dividend.
The Enron story was a real eye opener for me. Had two Stock Brokerage Business Accounts that were rolled up in that scandal. Still remember the orange seals placed on their doors when the Marshall's locked them down.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)I was happy to read about the Enron connection. Back then, most of this stuff was still not well known.
Books like Eichenwald's were very helpful.
Nowdays, good investigative reporters like Matt Taibbi, Seth Abramson, etc are tweeting their findings and then putting out the books, so we have double plus access to the information, the books are now a collection of what we watched develop day to day.
The truth is easier to find.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)their collective Reputations as well as bundles of their Clients money trading Enron stock. Yup they walked away fat cats while thousands lost their Nesteggs and more.
PG&E tomorrow ought to be interesting. My guess is,their stock goes to zero and takes out several hundred points on the Nasdex.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,792 posts)He's very thorough. I believe him.
lunasun
(21,646 posts)Control-Z
(15,682 posts)I'm not seeing anything new. We talked about it here while we were watching the free advertising the media gave him.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)I didn't know what. But I said there's something wrong with his mind, his brain. I still think so. He is highly functioning, but there's something wrong.
aikoaiko
(34,182 posts)Eichenwald tweeting about it isn't going to change much.
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dhol82
(9,353 posts)Response to dhol82 (Reply #12)
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I agree with what you have said.
However, there is a compellingly accurate diagnosis in the DSM-6. What do we do with that?
murielm99
(30,754 posts)simply because he is mentally ill. We start out by telling him "NO," and setting boundaries. Then we find ways to contain him because he is a danger to himself and others.
My mother is a malignant narcissist. She has done evil things. She is a compulsive liar. She is credible to people who do not know her well. My brothers and I do our best to limit her damage.
Trump needs to be put out of office. He needs a mental health evaluation. He needs to be tried for his offenses. If he is found not guilty because of insanity, that does not mean he should be allowed to hurt anyone else. Quite possibly, he should not be allowed to roam around freely. Let the courts and his family decide what restrictions should be placed on him. But he must be gotten out of office, the sooner the better.
Should we hate or despise him? That is up to the individual.
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dhol82
(9,353 posts)She kept tracking me down. I remained peripheral in her life.
Bipolar with narcissistic tendencies.
She could control people by various means. They put up with it for various benefits.
She died alone.
The Wizard
(12,546 posts)rallies with butterfly nets. Point and laugh at him and his cult. Marginalize all of them.
ginnyinWI
(17,276 posts)Like a plague or a natural disaster. Stop being mad at him for not being what he should be. Get mad at the people who do know better, have the power to do something, and don't because they are too cowardly!
Also forget the cult members. They will never get over it.
The smart, informed and powerful have got to fight him. Have got to stop the damage he's doing.
ooky
(8,926 posts)mental illness as the only logical explanation for some of the things he has done. Of course he is mentally ill!
Then again, demon from Hell could explain his suntan.
ancianita
(36,128 posts)ginnyinWI
(17,276 posts)A short time ago Al Franken tweeted something about how DJT couldnt help himself, but those around him can. Go after those people who let him go on and on doing harm to the nation. They know what he is and need to use their influence to get him stopped!
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)dalton99a
(81,562 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,792 posts)dalton99a
(81,562 posts)Apollyonus
(812 posts)who knows that people can be fooled.
His marketing genius was it making ordinary white people think that he is one of them and has experienced the same hardships that they have. "I can relate"
The Hispanics, AAs and Asians were not fooled and voted for Hillary.
The ones who thought Hillary's win will foreclose their chosen messiah from coming back in 2020 stayed home or voted for Trump or for Stein.
It is that simple.
canetoad
(17,175 posts)1. I have known Donald Trump since 1987. Like everyone else who knows him well, before he became a politician, I know he is liar, a narcissist, and eventually I knew he was mentally ill. At that time, he professed to be a democrat. This had nothing to do with politics....
2...so, how long did it take to conclude all this about Trump? Three phone calls for everything but the mental illness. That took three years. But let's talk about those four experiences. About October 7, 1987, I began working on a tryout as a reporter at the New York Times....
3...in the business section. My first story was about Trump filing with the SEC to buy more of than 5% of the stock in Alexander's Dept Store. I am wrong on the date - this call was October 1, 1987. I called Trump Corp to ask a question of spokesman. Trump himself picked up....
4....I identified myself and the first words out of his mouth were, "Oh, Kurt, I love your stuff." That surprised me, since I had never written anything for him to love. But I figured this was a business guy sucking up to a Times reporter. I asked him some questions, and he....
5...asked me to go on background. He began to wax on about the prospects of Alexanders, how mismanaged it was, how he could save it. He talked about how strong the stock market was, how he believed that Alexnaders was missing out on this continued strength and that he wanted....
6...to load up on Alexanders shares partly because of that. He then told me to identify him as an analyst to explain something about his intent. I made the huge error of doing so. Problem of first day at work. I was later told, no one at the NYT allowed Trump to state....
7...something in the paper anonymously because when he asked, it was his sign he was about to lie.
A week later, my phone rings. It's Trump. "Kurt, did you see that article about me in the metro section today?" I hadn't but I had the paper next to me, and began looking for it...
8...it was on the front. It was a glowing article about Trump by a reporter named Fox Butterfield. Before we were able to discuss anything else, for his second sentence, Trump said, "Fox Butterfield is the greatest reporter in America." He then went on and on about how this....
9...story really captured who he is, and bragged about himself in a way that seemed bizarre. I couldn't understand why he had called me. I was just some reporter on a try out. And it was clear, he was behaving like a kindergartner showing daddy his crayon picture. He wanted....
10...me to reiterate how great he was, he kept asking, "Don't you think that really captures who I am? I do. He really knows me." I was not sure what to say, but I figured I would take this opportunity to do some real reporting. After five minutes of his spiel about how great....
11...he is, I said, "I was wondering about the Alexander's buy..." and he said, "Ok, well, gotta go.." and hung up. It would prove to be the strangest call of my career.
A week later, the stock market crashed, losing more than 20% of its value in a single day. Work went into....
12...overload. One day about a week in, an article appeared in the New York Post. Trump proclaimed that, he was so great, he had known the crash was coming and had already sold all of his stock. I found out he had called the Wall Street Journal and another reporter at the NYT....
13...to say this. None of them would print it because...even if it was true...who cares? But no one believed it was true.
I KNEW it was false. He had been buying up Alexander's stock. There was no new SEC filing (and there never would be) showing he had been selling his shares..
14...I couldn't understand it. Why would this man be calling around to brag how smart he was by claiming he did something that was provably false? I decided, this was an interesting story. I went to the deputy editor of the business section and spelled out what I knew....
15...and said it would be an interesting story that Trump was purposely calling people to pretend brilliance in a lie. The editor did not even look up from his computer and said the words I remember to this day: "Dog bits man. Donald Trump lies." In other words, everyone in...
16...the financial world KNEW Trump was a pathological liar, in 1987. Proving it was like proving the sun rose in the morning. I went back to work.
As for the mental illness...the story of how I concluded that I wrote in July 2016. Why? Because one of his execs told me:
17...so why am I saying all of this? Because lots of people - particularly Cult45 - think these portrayals of Trump as a disturbed liar are new. No, this is stuff that people who have covered him have known for decades. Look at the people who go on TV to discuss him. Many have...
18...worked with him. Many have covered him, know him as "Donald." We knew he was a liar and unbalanced when he was a democrat, when he was a reform party, when he was a Republican. Our position never changed. We did not engage in situational ethics....
19...an end point. A person who did business with Trump over the years told me in 2016, "If you asked him, Donald would tell you I'm his best friend." This struck me as odd, so I said, "And what would you say HE is?" A pause, then the man replied: "A clinical sociopath."