When Theresa May gets her exit papers tomorrow

[malaise]

watch the ITTMF movement gather support.

[vlyons]

1. OK, I give up

Wht's the ITTMF movement ?

[Squinch]

2. Impeach the treasonous mofo.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

51. K&R or, instead of impeachment give him 4 walls with steel bars on the windows

Is 20 to life a complete sentence?

[shanny]

3. it's a mystery

[malaise]

4. It's an acronym of my version of Rashida Tlaib's Impeach the Mother Fucker

Impeach The Treasonous Mother Fucker!
ITTMF!

[Pope George Ringo II]

5. "Impeach The Theresa May Fool" would also work.

I still can't believe how hard Corbyn is working to not be a serious alternative. A ham sandwich could do a better job than either of them.

[malaise]

6. The good news is that it takes way less drama to remove her

She loses that vote and she's gone - give me the Parliamentary system any day of the week.

[Pope George Ringo II]

7. Honestly, I'm not sure she's officially gone after tomorrow.

Corbyn's going to table the confidence vote, the Tories and DUP are going to kill it, and we're right back where we started. I think I liked it better before the Fixed Term Parliaments Act, as this would be the sort of disaster which historically would have destroyed a government.

On the bright side, maybe this will be what it takes to convince Corbyn to move on to a second referendum.

[malaise]

8. I hope you're wrong

Like you I preferred it before the Fixed Term rubbish

[Pope George Ringo II]

9. I could definitely live with being wrong about May.

Honestly, at this point my view on Brexit is that exactly which particular clown presides over it is only my second priority in British politics. For the good of the nation, we've got to exit from Brexit, and I'd be okay with Punch and Judy in Downing Street if it would make that happen.

[muriel_volestrangler]

12. Before the fixed terms act, it would have been the same 'no confidence' vote

What the act does is make it harder for a government to call an early election when it thinks it's to its advantage. If the opposition calls a vote of no confidence now, they still need the same simple majority as before. But for the government to go for an early election, they now need the agreement of two thirds of the Commons - usually needing some of the biggest opposition party to vote with them (certainly in this parliament).

It's true that the 'no confidence' vote has to pass twice now, within 2 weeks, so if May does lose one, the Tories have the theoretical chance to do something new that would get the DUP (most likely) back on their side. But the only thing I can think of that would satisfy the DUP is going for 'no deal'; appointing a new leader to do that would take, I reckon, more than 2 weeks, since there are still Tories who see that outcome as disastrous, and some of those would quite possibly join the opposition in 'no confidence' if it was forced through somehow.

[malaise]

16. Thanks for this

Very informative

[octoberlib]

21. What is it with Corbyn? It seems like the remainers don't really have an effective opposition.

[octoberlib]

24. Tusk wants the UK to remain but I can't see it without a referendum or maybe this crap will

drag on for the next ten years.

Link to tweet

If a deal is impossible, and no one wants no deal, then who will finally have the courage to say what the only positive solution is?

[Blue_true]

42. How does Corbyn control a call for a second Brexit referendum? nt

[Pope George Ringo II]

50. Technically, he really doesn't.

But this whole Brexit stupidity cuts across party lines in a way few things do and it's very possible he'd pick up more relatively sane Tories than he loses of the stupider Labour types. For example it certainly appears Bercow would work to save the nation.

Also, at some point, it's important for an opposition leader to take a moral stand on the biggest issue of the era, and he's got a lot of moral catching up to do after his antisemitism problem. The only opposition party not on board is Labour, and that's largely Corbyn's fault. And at the end of the day, if he simply can't be arsed to actually be the opposition on an existential threat, what good is he?

[Adrahil]

25. Not very British...... how about...

TTFNWMF?

Ta Ta For Now Mother Fucker!

[roamer65]

10. The Brits will soon realize that being in the EU is much than being out.

The price of EU reintegration after this debacle will be the demise of the pound sterling. Britain will be required to now put the pound into the ERM and enter the Eurozone to prove that they are serious.

[malaise]

11. The morons who pushed the damned Brexit nonsense

dream for the old imperialist days. They will learn.

[muriel_volestrangler]

13. That's like saying "Americans will realise that not electing criminal morons is much better"

There are still plenty who want to get out, even if it hurts the economy, because they hate the free movement of people that much (and the European Court of Justice).

And if it was made clear that the UK would have to start the process of joining the Euro, that'd be enough to make a majority stay out. The capers the Euro has gone through in the past decade don't look appealing to me, and I'm very pro-EU.

[roamer65]

14. The EU is destined to be the Federal Republic of Europe.

It is going to happen with the impending demise of the American empire.

[malaise]

18. Corbyn calls for no confidence vote

Will be debated tomorrow

[malaise]

15. Well those who want to get out just lost big time

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211674691

[muriel_volestrangler]

17. Yes and no - we'd need to examine the Tory votes to see which side they came from

There are a lot of Brexiters who have been banging on about how bad they think the deal is, and can have voted with the hope that it ends up in 'no deal'.

Hard to know what happens now; so far, general thought is that the DUP will still support May in the no confidence vote, so she'll survive. This may mean she'll ask the EU for an extension, while they try to figure something out.

[malaise]

19. Interesting times

because although I wish it could happen, I doubt that Corbyn will have the votes needed to force an election and her own party can't move her for now.

[muriel_volestrangler]

20. DUP say they'll support May tomorrow

Link to tweet

BREAKING:
DUP statement
"We will support the government in confidence vote". Ends

[malaise]

22. I expected that

That said, if she has an ounce of sense, she'd dissolve Parliament and call an election as a referendum for or against Brexit.

I have long suspected that the Brexit vote was as rigged as the Con's votes.

[apcalc]

29. Me too... no question imo Russia had their hands in that one too.

[malaise]

30. Funny how certain folks were in Scotland

supposedly playing golf.
Trial run??? Hmmmmmm!

[Blue_true]

45. Putin's goal is to create chaos in the West. Brexit and Trump are part of that plan.

I think that Putin now sees that creating massive migrant movement also destabilizes the West, so expect action from him more in that sphere. We have to counter him by being sane about migration and welcoming refugees while working with their countries to bring about local economic growth and human rights.

[Blue_true]

44. Yep, one way or the other, the Brits will be on their knees.

They only got into the EU after DeGualle died, he has a Sir Montgomery hair across his ass and hated Brits with a passion. Great Britain was a rapidly fading empire before entry as the primary English speaking member of the EU caused it's economy to boom.

[brooklynite]

23. Nope...won't happen

If we could get rid of Trump by a vote of No Confidence, things would be different. We still need evidence of "high crimes and misdemeanors" and we still need Republican support to convict. Otherwise, Pelosi won't bring it up.

[AlexSFCA]

31. not sure that would be different cause we dont have senate

[malaise]

34. Did you miss this

ITTMF!!!

It means Impeach the Treasonous Mother Fucker.
There will be more talk about removing him using the US method(s)

[brooklynite]

35. I repeat, there won't be an "Impeach" is there can't be a "convict".

[Blue_true]

47. The evidence against him has to be ironclad and hard for even an idiot to ignore.

It literally will need to be so solid that republicans will be begging Speaker Pelosi to bring charges against the worm.

[zipplewrath]

26. Unlikely

they'll leave her in place to clean up the mess and then she'll leave.
I actually expect a tricky referendum where the people are given the "choice" between some particular plan, or remaining in the EU.

[malaise]

27. I don't think you understand

This was the worst defeat in British history. She has to go.

[zipplewrath]

28. News reports

News reports have her promising to leave before the next election in order to keep her position. Quite honestly, the folks that would be angling for her replacement probably don't want to take over until this mess is fixed. Remember, her coalition still controls and that alone would let her keep her job.

[OnDoutside]

32. It doesn't appear that will happen. Above all, the DUP will support her as this is their only chance

to wield evil influence in a British Government, and the rest of the Tories are shit scared of facing the electorate. Even Anna Soubray was categorical that she will support May.

However, we are still on track to get that 2nd Referendum, which is the main hope of killing Brexit.

[malaise]

33. When you are defeated in such a manner as in the worst defeat in the history

of the House of Commons (she lost by 230 - no one else ever lost by more than 100 votes according to the experts) you should resign and call elections.

[OnDoutside]

36. Normally, yes, but these are extraordinary times.

She can't be challenged by a leadership election from within the party for another year. She's not going to lose the vote of no confidence tomorrow evening, because none of the Brexiters have the balls to take over and be the one who leads the UK out...they prefer to get out and then get her out.

If she resigned, there would be an utter shitfest of a leadership election. In any case, she has nowhere else to go after this, so she's going to hang on as long as possible.

[malaise]

37. A complete and total mess

just like across the pond

[OnDoutside]

41. The similarities are frightening, and I believed will be matched by the eventual reckoning for the

Tories and the GOP.

I said the day after the June 2016 Referendum that I don't know how it would happen, but there would be a 2nd Referendum. Today was actually a good day on that road. Farage was on the BBC with Alaistair Campbell, and was not the first time saying "2nd Referendum - bring it on" ... I think he knows where this is heading and is setting the narrative already.

[malaise]

43. Truthfully Ithink all our societies need some serious enforcement

of the law. For too long rich and connected folks have been above the law and it has brought us here. Even some of our own will have to be locked up.

Campbell, Farage and Johnson - scumbags all.

[Blue_true]

49. You have your feet on the ground in that sphere.

What are the percentage chances of getting a second Brexit referendum?

[Blue_true]

48. I agree with you, May is a sacrificial lamb roasting on a spit.

No one is going to step forward to take her place, not even rabid Brexiters. She will work through the mess and when a clear path forward appears, she will be dumped by the Tories.

[Hekate]

38. I am confused. Never mind Theresa May: Is Brexit going to be canceled, or not? nt

[malaise]

39. In the long term I think so

For now it's total confusion

[Hekate]

40. I hope they manage to stay with the EU. Brexit was a Putin project, and by now I think most Brits...

...have figured out that they were manipulated.

Those "yellow vest" strikes also seem to have the stench of that little bastard.

[malaise]

46. The problem for Britain, particularly England

is that many folks long for the 'good old days' of British imperialism - complete with the racism, plunder and cruelty.
We must never forget that socialization promotes both xenophobia and jingoism. We are taught this superiority crap.