I can hardly believe it, big default line for trump crossed

[Miigwech]

My cousin, whom I love, regardless of the fact that she voted for trump, stated today that she "blames the media" for giving us trump. "They never vetted him properly," I said (always seeking a position of agreement). She is 82 years old and a life long repub but with a heart of gold, always helping those in need, the sick and lonely. When repubs lose her (and her 5 sons and families) then they are about to learn how screwed they are. This shutdown is affecting her directly because she owns rental properties and has many Coast Guard tenants that can't pay rent. trump is so over ... BTW I don't believe polls that say trump has 39% SUPPORT. From where I live, I see his support crashing.

[JNelson6563]

1. Now she can't collect her rent she's reconsidering, eh?

Lots of stories right now of lifelong righties being touched personally and now having change of heart. Color me unimpressed.

Yeah, it's good to see Trump taking the hit but these folks are unchanged ("heart of cold" "salt of the earth" folks that suck).

[Miigwech]

7. Not just because of the rent

The truth about trump is hitting hard that he doesn't care about Americans. The spot lights are turned on trump. Have a heart for some trumppers ... hard to explain but some folks don't want to see the bad in anyone. As they jump ship we will welcome their change of mind.

[UniteFightBack]

13. Whatever it takes. I've long said this man is gonna piss off everybody..including his followers

one by one.

[JNelson6563]

24. Wait til you see their next choice for President.

Then we will see "their change of mind".

[chowder66]

28. This is the horror I hope never manifests but I fear you might be right. nt

[sprinkleeninow]

30. I believe, unfortunately, that you have said a mouthful. 😏

[uponit7771]

41. +1

[Pope George Ringo II]

51. We've already seen it.

It's Mike Pence.

[Raster]

56. Part of the tRump* problem, is that the owners of the GOP* know...

....Pious Pence* could NOT win a national election... they see the Orange Anus* as their only hold on power.

[regnaD kciN]

8. Yeah, as soon as the shutdown ends and she gets her back rent...

...I’m sure she’ll be right back on the MAGA bandwagon.

[Miigwech]

12. No, she won't, not her

She has never been a hat wearing MAGAT or else I would never be able to tolerate her company.

[femmedem]

2. I'm glad your cousin has seen the light.

And your cousin isn't wrong about the media, especially if she watches Fox.

I'm glad you haven't let politics interfere with family, and that she feels able to talk to you now about her change of heart.

[Miigwech]

15. Thanks, I feel you understand that my

relationship with this goodly woman is more important than arguing with her over trump. He has stolen so much and is not going to ruin my relationship with my elderly cousin.

[pazzyanne]

22. Good on you, Miigwech!

Politics should never split families. Unfortunately tRump and Fox have brainwashed those who are susceptible. I have tried to navigate my tRump loving family members, to no avail. Unless I joined them in worshiping him, they want nothing to do with me. Congratulations for being able to keep your family in tact!

[hostalover]

31. I'm not going to lose my brother and cousin over trump. We just don't talk politics.

[No Vested Interest]

50. +1.

[FakeNoose]

3. The vetting failure is on the Republican Party, not the media

The GOP selected Cheeto as their candidate, so they're the ones who FAILED to vet him thoroughly. Or maybe they did, and maybe they already knew all the horrible stuff about him, and maybe they ran him anyway. Which is worse?

[Midnightwalk]

11. Blame both and more

It’s a false dichotomy. I don’t even care exactly how to apportion the blame between them.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

44. Dunning Krueger affect

[leftieNanner]

4. I don't believe the polls that say he has 39% support either

nt

[bdamomma]

18. me either

that's a lie too. Or his base??????? boogeymen who are scaring the repigs that is total BS.

[leftieNanner]

19. I think Putin

and a nice hot cup of pelonium (sp?) tea is what's scaring the Rs.

[kurtcagle]

26. Nah, not hot.

Polonium is a dish that's best served cold.

[Ohiogal]

53. If you lived in my area

You would believe them. Still plenty of idiots around.

[malaise]

5. Trump is history

It will soon sink in

[spanone]

6. K&R...👍🏼

[Srkdqltr]

9. 39% support is 61% against.

People always say he has 30whatever support.. which means that 60-70% do not support. 39% is nothing to worry about or to brag about.

[Midnightwalk]

14. As an American 39% is embarrassing

39% is also alarming when you realize that one of three people you meet are at a minimum that ignorant

[Hoyt]

10. If an election were held tomorrow, he'd get more than 39% of vote. Don't kid ourselves.

[Sherman A1]

37. Agreed

Now if it were held as you say, tomorrow, voter turnout would be interesting.

[noneof_theabove]

42. Of course he would...

the KGOP gerrymandered districts have not been resolved yet, and it will be a while for that to happen.

Remember, he targeted the EC districts that have an IQ below room temperature, doesn't same much this time of year for a lot of them.

[Pope George Ringo II]

52. The Democrat would have flaws, too.

Both sides have flaws, after all. The Democrat might even have sent emails.

It's appalling how many votes are decided that way.

[brush]

54. That was before the shutdown.

If it were held tomorrow during this shutdown he would lose badly,even worse than the recent blue wave election.

[kimbutgar]

16. I knew enough about the orangemaggot though the years his hi jinks he would be a terrible

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President. That information was readily available if you read a newspaper or listened to news that wasnt Fox. She just voted knee jerk because he had a R by his name.

But I’m glad she finally realized she made a mistake.

[pazzyanne]

23. I'm with you!

I've been aware of tRump's shenanigans since the early '70s. It was front and center for both him and his dad. It is beyond my comprehension how he got the nomination for the Republican party! Lots of gullible and stupid people, I guess.

[Sherman A1]

38. Precisely

It wasn’t exactly hidden information, people chose to ignore it.

[UpInArms]

17. My right wing grocery checker

Wanting terse with me this week ...

It was lovely to see her so unable to defend the shutdown

[Hekate]

20. Thanks for sharing this, Miigwech. It's encouraging.

Sorry about the people who seem unable to get your point.

[Amaryllis]

21. The ripple effect is huge....landlords falling behind on whatever paymets they have to make

because their renters can't make payments...ultimately, this affects nearly everyone in some way.

[Sherman A1]

39. Yup

Along with deferred maintenance and upkeep, which will ripple into hardware and labor markets.

[griloco]

25. People don't turn on a con man until he hurts them...

[Fuzzpope]

27. I agree with you

I question the integrity of most, if not all of the polls.

We have the most corrupt government in US history yet the polls are inscrutable?

I don't think so.

[Maru Kitteh]

29. The media was very busy showing how "fair" they were, showing utter disregard for truth or reality

They knew what he was.

[akraven]

32. Hugs to your older, delusional cousin -

and keep trying. I converted (LOL!) a neighbor the other day whose son is USCG and working without pay.

[Miigwech]

33. Yes, now is the time to engage

them ... they are baffled by the truth ... but gently, for some

[CrispyQ]

34. The truth about Trump was out there for anyone who really wanted to be an informed voter.

I'm not feeling very forgiving of disaffected republicans. The damage is already done. Funny how they don't come around until it hurts them personally, huh?

[noneof_theabove]

43. Had a long time saying....

nothing will change until the RIGHT person dies, then watch how quick it changes.

[titaniumsalute]

35. A new Marist poll shows 69% of Republicans would vote for Trump today

69%! That is not good of his own base. 91% of Dems wouldn't vote for him and 62% of independents wouldn't vote for him. That will be a VERY tough hill to climb.

[jimlup]

36. I'm glad she has crossed over but...

the media did their very best to give adequate warning. People who either failed to heed it or failed to listen should be held accountable for handing us this catastrophe.

[Sherman A1]

40. I have to disagree that the media did an adequate job.

I disliked Trump for decades having seen him for what he is a con man, but during the election cycle I found the media, particularly Cable media hanging on every word he blatherd. He played them like a fiddle and I believe them complicit in his election.

[Hoyt]

45. I agree. It's foolish to blame the media. They made it easy to see trump

as a greedy, racist, lying, fool. But people voted for him anyway.

If every news outlet had started off calling trump a worthless POS on every broadcast, it wouldn’t have changed trump’s support.

[Miigwech]

46. The media gave trump 24/7 free time on cable news

and Fox made this circus of BS, seem normal. Meantime, trump and Russians played folks on social media. Grand Slam! My cousin watches Fox and reads Detroit News. That's it. So how much truth did she get? Now she is questioning her information stream, a good thing. Although she didn't want to hear anything from me after trump was elected because she believes in supporting the POTUS. This is logical based on her age and the fact that she dosen't go online and read investigative journalism. Her situation is the plight of most of trump supporters, so the challenge is how to get the truth out when trump so clearly is a liar and so is Fox.

[Hoyt]

47. Didn't seem normal to me, and a lot of others. Don't think it is media's fault that a lot of people

in this country are ignorant white wingers.

I don't think you can persuade people who are happy being trumpies or GOPers. The media does their job by showing what they are. No one needed to read investigative journalists to see what trump is. All they gotta do is look at him and his supporters on rallies.

[Miigwech]

48. I will not defend ignorance

but I know average folks never got the truth until it was too late ... also blame Cruz, Bush, Rubio, Romney, Et al, the slobbering gop that supported trump, in the end

[Locrian]

49. the media absolutely LOVES the trump spectacle

They're ***stilll** enabling him with continued coverage and distractions and refusal to talk policy. All for being held hostage to getting more views (in a dying medium).

They're letting the bar get lower and lower for any type of meaningful analysis
And that's just MSM. FOX etc is activlely promoting propaganda and ignorance etc.

[underpants]

55. She's right. At least 50% media. Ever heard of a Snuggie?

You have. Repetition works.