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no_hypocrisy

(46,193 posts)
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 08:49 AM Jan 2019

If Republicans truly want Democrats to "negotiate" about re-opening the Government,

then it seems necessary that they first pass legislation that funding the Government can never be attached to auxiliary legislation, that is, other laws that any Party and/or the President wants to pass.

Take away the gun and the threat goes away.

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If Republicans truly want Democrats to "negotiate" about re-opening the Government, (Original Post) no_hypocrisy Jan 2019 OP
Clean funding bills. Enough of the rider crap. Crutchez_CuiBono Jan 2019 #1
What exactly are they offering in this "negotiation" Renew Deal Jan 2019 #2
Best I can tell? DICK ... (nt) mr_lebowski Jan 2019 #3
That's my point. no_hypocrisy Jan 2019 #4
The wall in exchange for nothing. DetlefK Jan 2019 #11
We need a constitutional amendment to end Government shutdowns once and for all standingtall Jan 2019 #5
If Republicans truly want Democrats to negotiate, they would demand Mitch call a vote Freethinker65 Jan 2019 #6
Yes . . . . AND pass legislation so that we will not have this useless situation no_hypocrisy Jan 2019 #7
Just curious, what exactly is a compromise between wall and no wall? In It to Win It Jan 2019 #8
To give a stipend for bolstering the border. no_hypocrisy Jan 2019 #10
Increased funding for maintainence and strengthening, where needed, current existing barriers. Freethinker65 Jan 2019 #12
I understand and I agree. But, effectively, that is "no wall." In It to Win It Jan 2019 #13
True. But the GOP has been floating the whole "wall" was really only a metaphor Freethinker65 Jan 2019 #14
Then have several members of Congress and the Senate go on all the shows to no_hypocrisy Jan 2019 #15
let them make an actual plan. mopinko Jan 2019 #16
Republicanism equals government shutdowns dubyadiprecession Jan 2019 #9
The majority of Americans do bdamomma Jan 2019 #17
House Dems passed the Repub bills from December... Wounded Bear Jan 2019 #18

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
11. The wall in exchange for nothing.
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 09:38 AM
Jan 2019

Democrats would get an end of the shutdown.
Republicans would get an end of the shutdown, plus the wall.

standingtall

(2,787 posts)
5. We need a constitutional amendment to end Government shutdowns once and for all
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 09:22 AM
Jan 2019

and if Trump and republicans take this shutdown far enough,there might be and appetite in this country for one.

Freethinker65

(10,055 posts)
6. If Republicans truly want Democrats to negotiate, they would demand Mitch call a vote
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 09:24 AM
Jan 2019

Call for an up or down vote, after a healthy debate, on the clean House Bill.

If the bill fails, it fails and both sides continue to negotiate. If it passes, Trump has the option to veto. No one can be certain WTF Trump would actually do. Trump loves bullying and making threats he has no intention of following through on. If he actually vetos, try to override, and if that fails, rebegin negotiations to reopen the government.

no_hypocrisy

(46,193 posts)
7. Yes . . . . AND pass legislation so that we will not have this useless situation
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 09:25 AM
Jan 2019

interfere with the process of government.

no_hypocrisy

(46,193 posts)
10. To give a stipend for bolstering the border.
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 09:34 AM
Jan 2019

It could be used to fix, strengthen existing barriers or to pay for surveyors.

But you don't exclusively dedicate it to "The Wall".

Freethinker65

(10,055 posts)
12. Increased funding for maintainence and strengthening, where needed, current existing barriers.
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 09:40 AM
Jan 2019

Adding funds to increase technological monitoring and manpower if needed to areas where physical barriers would be ineffective, cost prohibitive to build and maintain, and essentially unnecessary in the first place. Adding some barriers where actually needed.

A continuous 2000 mile wall is unnecessary, environmentally damaging, ugly, and wasteful to build and maintain. Monitoring for activity like tunnels in certain areas seems appropriate.

Also- Seeking asylum is legal and must remain so. Threatening to pull economic aid from our Southern neighbors will only make things worse.

In It to Win It

(8,285 posts)
13. I understand and I agree. But, effectively, that is "no wall."
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 10:00 AM
Jan 2019

How do you compromise with people (Trump) that only see this as a black-and-white wall-no wall issue?

You can’t really compromise with someone that wants an actual wall. For me, there is no compromisable position that includes a wall.

Freethinker65

(10,055 posts)
14. True. But the GOP has been floating the whole "wall" was really only a metaphor
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 10:11 AM
Jan 2019

Of course to Trump, it meant a WALL....but even Trump recently has been using the term Border Security (which is Trump' s BS way of trying to fix his own fucking mess). And Trump and the GOP love saying things like The Democrats want open borders and like "catch and release" while the Democrats have NEVER been against increased border security and have been approving increased funding all along.

The Republicans will claim they forced Democrats to increase Border Security funding, and the Democrats will crow Trump did not get his wall. The compromise will return it back to the way it was before Trump fucked things up.

no_hypocrisy

(46,193 posts)
15. Then have several members of Congress and the Senate go on all the shows to
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 10:11 AM
Jan 2019

point out the difference between negotiation and coercion, duress, etc. Influence public opinion and make viewers lobbyists-at-large.

bdamomma

(63,923 posts)
17. The majority of Americans do
Fri Jan 18, 2019, 10:52 AM
Jan 2019

not want a wall, they want immigration reform. tRump is reaching into his barrel of Fear again to make people scared. This is total BS then in the meantime he is tweeting Speaker Pelosi horrible tweets about her excursion which he blurted out and damaged our security.

This jerk has to go.

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