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maddezmom

(135,060 posts)
Mon Aug 20, 2012, 08:07 PM Aug 2012

Akin not alone in bogus rape theory, more nutz weigh in including Dr. Jack C. Willke

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The assertion can be traced back to Dr. Jack C. Willke, the former president of the U.S. National Right to Life Committee. Willke and his wife, Barbara, are leading antiabortion advocates and authors of the book “Why Can't We Love Them Both: Questions and Answers About Abortion."

They contend in the book, first published in 1971, that “assault rape” rarely results in pregnancy because the assault traumatizes the woman and makes her body less habitable.

It’s ”just downright unusual” for a woman to get pregnant from a rape, Willke said in an interview Monday. He said studies have shown this to be true, but produced little evidence beyond a few footnotes that cite a handful of decades-old papers.

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“There is no such thing as a legitimate rape,” Willke said, adding that Akin should have said “assault rape." The term “assault rape” or “forcible rape” makes it clear that the woman suffered some sort of trauma -- the type of thing that supposedly shuts the reproductive system down, Willke said.

more: http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-todd-akin-rape-theory-origins-20120820,0,7783860.story

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Akin not alone in bogus rape theory, more nutz weigh in including Dr. Jack C. Willke (Original Post) maddezmom Aug 2012 OP
Mike Huckabee was definding the asshole on his stupid radio show.... MADem Aug 2012 #1
At work today a coworker was talking about this exact thing, xmas74 Aug 2012 #2
Bless that woman for having the courage to speak out! LeftofObama Aug 2012 #3
He won't. xmas74 Aug 2012 #4
I might need a shower just because I'm commenting on this assertion... mike_c Aug 2012 #5
Real Doctors bmbmd Aug 2012 #6

MADem

(135,425 posts)
1. Mike Huckabee was definding the asshole on his stupid radio show....
Mon Aug 20, 2012, 08:11 PM
Aug 2012

He was talking about the BENEFITS OF FORCIBLE RAPE....according to Gawker, and I know they don't lie!


http://gawker.com/5936386/mike-huckabee-would-like-to-remind-you-that-rape-has-created-some-extraordinary-people?popular=true



Why is everybody so down on rape? This is what Mike Huckabee wanted to know today, on his radio program, which also featured Rep. Todd "Legitimate Rape" Akin as a guest. For instance, did you know that Ethel Waters was conceived when her mother got raped? Do you know what a world without rape would look like? A world without Ethel Waters, that's what.

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
2. At work today a coworker was talking about this exact thing,
Mon Aug 20, 2012, 08:13 PM
Aug 2012

saying that there was no way a woman could get pregnant from a rape. He was yammering on while the rest of us looked at him in shock, not knowing what to say.

We didn't have to say anything. A female coworker, usually very quiet and keeps to herself, leaned over and said "It's time for you to shut the fuck up. You're pissing me off." His mouth dropped as she went on to explain how her mother was raped at knife point nearly 30 years ago and that 8 1/2 months later she was born. She also said that her mother was unable to function as a mother should and couldn't care for her,which is why she entered the foster care system before she turned five.

That shut him up. He turned away and ran off, tail between his legs. No one knew this about her-she never spoke about her childhood until today.

LeftofObama

(4,243 posts)
3. Bless that woman for having the courage to speak out!
Mon Aug 20, 2012, 08:23 PM
Aug 2012

I hope that neanderthal keeps his mouth shut from now on.

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
4. He won't.
Mon Aug 20, 2012, 08:27 PM
Aug 2012

He never shuts up. We all recognize him for the sad, lonely man he is and usually just ignore him.

And I never knew that about her. I think his blabbering just pissed her off to the point that she finally decided to speak out.

mike_c

(36,281 posts)
5. I might need a shower just because I'm commenting on this assertion...
Mon Aug 20, 2012, 08:30 PM
Aug 2012

...and I generally believe that when someone who deserves no better is busily making a fool of themselves it's best to keep silent and not interfere, but DAMN. Full disclaimer: I'm not a developmental biologist, but I've been teaching general vertebrate and mammalian biology for decades so I know the basics pretty well.

Insemination and fertilization are not the same thing-- a circumstance that Akin and Willke seem to forget. And PREGNANCY is something entirely different than either. The point is that regardless of the circumstances of insemination, fertilization normally occurs many hours to days later, generally within the oviduct, far from any physical trauma directly attributable to sexual assault and long afterwards. And pregnancy takes even longer to begin, at least if we define pregnancy as embryo implantation and initiation of HCG production (I mean, who could possibly be pregnant prior to that?)

Rape by itself, i.e. forced sexual penetration of the vagina, affects neither ovulation (controlled by the hypothalamus and pituitary, a LONG way from "down there&quot nor implantation (dependent upon the condition of the endometrium, a pretty resilient tissue, typically well after insemination).

So like I said, maybe I'm missing something because development isn't my expertise, but what I do know leads me to suspect that Dr. Willke doesn't have a clue what he's talking about. He's a physician-- I wonder if he skipped class when women's reproductive biology was discussed?

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