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Did Trump just say something? (Original Post) orangecrush Jan 2019 OP
He wants more money I think that's what he said lunasun Jan 2019 #1
for his Russian buddies to build the wall HipChick Jan 2019 #3
Thanks! orangecrush Jan 2019 #9
Every time he speaks is the price and demands going to go up? ? I've dealt with people like this lunasun Jan 2019 #17
Did you watch it? Sugar Smack Jan 2019 #2
Turned on a youtube livestream orangecrush Jan 2019 #12
... demmiblue Jan 2019 #4
So pennies for humanitarian aid orangecrush Jan 2019 #14
He said it was going to be important, so I knew there wouldn't be anything important in it. Squinch Jan 2019 #5
He now wants 5.7 billion for his wall; and he thinks future congressional dealmaking struggle4progress Jan 2019 #6
... orangecrush Jan 2019 #13
I know I did... In honor of my mood, I streamed an episode of Al Swearengen's swearing marathon hlthe2b Jan 2019 #7
Sounds great! orangecrush Jan 2019 #15
He did not mention one fucking word about the 800,000 folks who have not been paid malaise Jan 2019 #8
Psychopaths orangecrush Jan 2019 #16
He did mention ending the shutdown customerserviceguy Jan 2019 #18
It was an attempt customerserviceguy Jan 2019 #10
pennies in humanitarian aid orangecrush Jan 2019 #21
Then, that is something to negotiate on customerserviceguy Jan 2019 #25
He still wants the wall. 5.7 Billion. Grammy23 Jan 2019 #11
Nothing new. orangecrush Jan 2019 #19
see-thru steel...maybe "Star Trek IV" was on cable or something, and he watched that scene anarch Jan 2019 #20
Steel is not clear customerserviceguy Jan 2019 #22
he said... handmade34 Jan 2019 #23
He sniffed something. yonder Jan 2019 #24
$1.6 billion for things that work, $5.7 billion for a thing that doesn't bitterross Jan 2019 #26
The 5.7 billion orangecrush Jan 2019 #28
You are correct. $5.7 is just the beginning. bitterross Jan 2019 #31
If there is a deal for a wall LiberalFighter Jan 2019 #27
There isn't going to be a wall. orangecrush Jan 2019 #29
No but he sure looked like a fool. C_U_L8R Jan 2019 #30

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
17. Every time he speaks is the price and demands going to go up? ? I've dealt with people like this
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 05:30 PM
Jan 2019

who really don’t know how to negotiate

orangecrush

(19,633 posts)
12. Turned on a youtube livestream
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 05:27 PM
Jan 2019

And made anti Trump comments in the live chat.

I gather he offered a few pennies for good things in exchange for billions for his idiotic wall.

Squinch

(51,025 posts)
5. He said it was going to be important, so I knew there wouldn't be anything important in it.
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 05:25 PM
Jan 2019

I gave it a pass.

struggle4progress

(118,366 posts)
6. He now wants 5.7 billion for his wall; and he thinks future congressional dealmaking
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 05:25 PM
Jan 2019

should occur in the White House under his supervision

hlthe2b

(102,397 posts)
7. I know I did... In honor of my mood, I streamed an episode of Al Swearengen's swearing marathon
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 05:25 PM
Jan 2019

(HBO's Deadwood).... Very cathartic...

malaise

(269,196 posts)
8. He did not mention one fucking word about the 800,000 folks who have not been paid
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 05:26 PM
Jan 2019

and who are suffering big time.

I hope the Speaker pounces on that.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
18. He did mention ending the shutdown
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 05:31 PM
Jan 2019

And since a bill has already been passed and signed that restores back pay, the furloughed employees and the ones deemed essential that have been ordered to work without pay will at least get that, even if it might be insufficient to make them whole.

He's hoping that our side will flatly reject the deal, and the onus of blame goes on us instead of him. He will proceed apace with deportation of TPS beneficiaries, and wait for the SCOTUS to end DACA protections. Then, we get nothing.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
10. It was an attempt
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 05:27 PM
Jan 2019

to lob the ball into our court.

If it did get it there, then we have to decide, is what he offered good enough for barrier/fence/wall money that is only slightly more than we spend on food stamps in a month?

Yes, the DACA and TPS protections are only for three years. Are we confident enough that we can retake the White House in 2020?

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
25. Then, that is something to negotiate on
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 05:37 PM
Jan 2019

Either Democratic leadership tries to work with this proposal, and secures the best deal they can get, or the shutdown continues, and even the pennies don't make it to the border.

And, we then own the shutdown in the minds of many Federal workers.

If you want to talk about "pennies", two months worth of unpaid food stamps is way more that what Drumpf wants for his wall/fence/barrier. If the shutdown lasts for another three months, we'll see poor families doing without as well as the dotard doing without what he wants.

Grammy23

(5,815 posts)
11. He still wants the wall. 5.7 Billion.
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 05:27 PM
Jan 2019

No sh*t, Sherlock. We didn’t really think he’d budge an inch on that. Oh, and it will be steel ...see through. ?? I was not aware that steel is clear. What a maroon.

anarch

(6,535 posts)
20. see-thru steel...maybe "Star Trek IV" was on cable or something, and he watched that scene
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 05:32 PM
Jan 2019

with the whale tank and the "transparent aluminum" and all that, so now he wants it see-through and metal. Why not? Fuck, we built the F-35 after all.....

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
22. Steel is not clear
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 05:33 PM
Jan 2019

but slats provide some measure of visibility through the barrier, whatever anyone feels like calling it.

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
26. $1.6 billion for things that work, $5.7 billion for a thing that doesn't
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 05:48 PM
Jan 2019

That's not a deal any person should take.

orangecrush

(19,633 posts)
28. The 5.7 billion
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 05:50 PM
Jan 2019

according to what I've read, is just the camels nose in the tent.

The real cost of building with all factors involved far exceeds that.
 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
31. You are correct. $5.7 is just the beginning.
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 05:55 PM
Jan 2019

The real estimates put it at over $20 billion. Then there is the maintenance of it after it's there.

We need so many other things so much worse.

LiberalFighter

(51,129 posts)
27. If there is a deal for a wall
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 05:50 PM
Jan 2019

the contract should have specific content requirements for bidding. Make it difficult for a Chinese or Russian company to meet the requirements. Require that no foreign company could bid.

orangecrush

(19,633 posts)
29. There isn't going to be a wall.
Sat Jan 19, 2019, 05:52 PM
Jan 2019


It isn't going to happen.

I believe his strategy is to ask for something he knows is not possible, and use it to create as much chaos and dysfunction as possible.

Putin's dream come true.
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