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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWRT SOTU Address, Speaker Pelosi outranks Moscow Mitch
The Speaker of the House has authority over the Sergeant of Arms (both House and Senate). The Senate Sergeant of Arms cannot override the House Sergeant and the Architect of the Capitol (who also reports to the Speaker), the three all serve as the controlling board of the capitol police. If Speaker Pelosi says the Capitol Building is to be closed, it will be closed. Moscow Mitch can't override her.
That's why she's 2nd in line of Presidential Succession. Trump is too stupid to know this of course.
malaise
(269,157 posts)Get thee to the greatest page.
ITTMF!
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,414 posts)You forgot the "already".
SWBTATTReg
(22,166 posts)leftieNanner
(15,149 posts)The fact that Idiot Face thought he could just call the SOA and bully his way into the House chamber shows his character - or lack thereof. Lordy, get this man out of Our House!
Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)The topic and the name, "Moscow Mitch". Nice meme!
malaise
(269,157 posts)That was also most excellent
Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)Also, 'most' excellent.
malaise
(269,157 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,414 posts)Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,414 posts)And their job descriptions didn't include "proctologist".
Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)47of74
(18,470 posts)KY_EnviroGuy
(14,494 posts)........ .........
MurrayDelph
(5,301 posts)expect Trump's own head to be up there.
calimary
(81,466 posts)In this case, its just damn frustrating- AND disgusting. I hope Moscow Mitch likes the taste since hes evidently willing to eat boatloads of it.
Moscow Mitch. A mere 2-3 degrees separated from Our Friend Vlad.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mavenroundtable.io/theintellectualist/api/amp/theintellectualist/news/mcconnell-received-3-5m-in-campaign-donations-from-russian-oligarch-linked-firm-93UjehU6aUCtejJRBFezCw/
Blue_playwright
(1,568 posts)I learn so much out here on DU. I feel like I dont reciprocate. I guess if anyone has any questions about playwriting or Shakespeare- Im your official DU go-to. Lol!
Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)Welcome to jumping into the fray! We all learn a lot here on DU, this is true.
Say, there are a lot of subgroups here. Have you looked into the writers group for example? See them on the left here.
Blue_playwright
(1,568 posts)And no, but I'll click over to the writer's group. Might give me some reprieve from the hell that is Trumpistan.
calimary
(81,466 posts)and make use of it. Tell your friends. Write or call your Congresscritter. Or join a Democratic or other liberal or progressive group and become active! I heartily recommend your local Indivisible group. Theyre TERRIFIC and they can use your help!
Gothmog
(145,554 posts)The SOTU is a speech to congress and cannot be given at a rally https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trump-political-rally-second-state-of-the-union
Article II, Section 3 of the Constitution states that the President shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient.
Following the first State of the Union addresses delivered in-person to Congress by George Washington and John Adams, presidents delivered these updates in written form for more than 100 years, until 1913 when Woodrow Wilson revived the practice of delivering them in-person.
But the addresses have never been and seemingly cannot be, constitutionally delivered in the form of a political rally.
PunkinPi
(4,878 posts)Equinox Moon
(6,344 posts)Speaker Pelosi calls it!
alwaysinasnit
(5,072 posts)way of what he wants.
Mr.Bill
(24,319 posts)then read it at a political rally?
CloudWatcher
(1,851 posts)I suspect he could video tape a rally, post it on Twitter and just include it in a tweet to Congress as the "official" SOTU. Hell, he could just shout a line or two from under the helicopter blades on the South Lawn and call it the SOTU. The quote from the Constitution is:
There's nothing about how it he gives it to Congress. It could be in person or in writing or in a tweet or even written in crayon on the toilet paper stuck to his shoe.
tosh
(4,424 posts)someone to read it to us.
Someone like Gilford Gottfried.
Or maybe Alec Baldwin, in full character.
That's pretty much the only way I'd like to hear it.
Gothmog
(145,554 posts)The media including Fox has stopped covering trump's rallys. This rally would not be the SOTU and so the media should refuse to cover it
Mr.Bill
(24,319 posts)the media has a much different meaning than it used to. He could put it on YouTube and all his base could watch it. It's not like a handful of network executives have the power to keep the people who want to from seeing it.
bottomofthehill
(8,346 posts)It has been delivered in writing as often as it has been spoken in the Hall of the House. If the networks want to cover it, he can deliver in writing and then give the speech at the time and place of his choice.
LakeSuperiorView
(1,533 posts)He could tweet the information, for what that's worth.
He could give a speech to a rally and call it the "state of the union" but it will not be and the media should not entertain it as such.
Gothmog
(145,554 posts)The SOTU has to be given to Congress and not to a mob of MAGAt idiots.
The key is that the media needs to refuse to cover this rally just as the medial has stopped covering trump's other rallys
LakeSuperiorView
(1,533 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)suppose a POTUS failed to do it? It depends on the honor of the POTUS to do this duty. Now we have one with no honor.
erronis
(15,328 posts)Maybe by association some of their learnedness will rub off on me. Thanks!
FakeNoose
(32,748 posts)I've learned a lot here in the last 2 years, and I regret that I only joined after the 2016 election.
I believe I'm a DUer for life now.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Even if they tried to pull some bullshit with the Senate Sergeant of Arms and try to commandeer the South Wing without Pelosi's express consent, it will cause a metric shitstorm. I mean a Supreme Court level shitstorm.
The North Wing, where the Senate is, doesn't have enough room to accommodate all the Senators and Congresspeople.
The bicameral legislature is enshrined in the core of the constitution, it is sacrosanct. What goes on in the House is House business.
(Only reason I pose this unlikely scenario is that the Senate Sergeant of Arms is a Moscow Mitch appointee, and does himself have significant power over the security of the Capitol Building, and I could see Trump pushing something insane like this.)
bigbrother05
(5,995 posts)He would be on her turf and there is no specific script required by the Constitution. She and Mitch could take turns asking him about the SOTU.
He coming prepared to describe the SOTU, so why wouldn't he be able to handle some Q&A?
Would be riveting don't you think?
LiberalFighter
(51,084 posts)True Blue American
(17,988 posts)DeminPennswoods
(15,290 posts)Then she sent a letter advising him that if he insists on doing a SOTU on 1/29, he can submit it in writing. Otherwise, an oral SOTU date will have to be negotiated once the gov't is re-opened.
spanone
(135,874 posts)bottomofthehill
(8,346 posts)The Senate Sergeant at Arms does not fall under the Speaker of the House. The House Sergeant at Arms is an elected Officer of the House, the Senate Sergeant at Arms is an elected Officer of the Senate and the Architect of the Capitol is appointed by the President in consultation with the House and Senate leadership. The Speaker does not have the authority to close the Capitol unilaterally. She can close the House Chamber though as she does control the Floor of the House and can close that wherever she wants. Closing the entire Side of the Capitol is a whole different issue as each individual Member office sets its own hours and rules of operation. We would not be happy if a Republican Speaker started denying Democratic Members of Congress access to their office.
at140
(6,110 posts)stronger than sharpest sword or biggest gun.
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)Except that The Speaker has legal authority to preside over joint sessions and is in charge of the Sergeant At Arms. The Majority Leader of the Senate has no such legal authority.
bottomofthehill
(8,346 posts)The Speaker does not have authority over the SSAA
The Speaker can not Close the Capitol on her say so
They are contradictions to your statement.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,494 posts)in the House chamber, where she feels security many not be adequate at the time?
And, if so, how could that be enforced if people started showing up uninvited for such an event?
bottomofthehill
(8,346 posts)Security or otherwise. The Speaker can close the Chamber when not in session, when in session, she can move to adjourn and then close the Floor. Whenever she feels for any reason she feels. It gets rather sticky when Members are already on the Floor though. Think the Democrats Gun Control sit in on the Floor of the House when there was a Republican Speaker. The Speaker can turn off the lights and the Cameras which are run by the CAO of the House (hence the Democrats using twitter and Periscope) but physically removing Members of the House from the Floor can cause a host of problems. There is an Order and Decorum issue that could come in play if those occupying the Floor cross some thresholds that the Speaker finds offensive.. The House Sergeant at Arms is in charge of enforcing Order and Decorum.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,494 posts)I'm never too old to learn!......
TryLogic
(1,723 posts)SunSeeker
(51,697 posts)If he lifts the shutdown he can have his SOTU in the House.
elmac
(4,642 posts)onetexan
(13,058 posts)This has made my day . Now, if only someone can tell me how we can override Moscow Mitch on the shutdown...
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)KY_EnviroGuy
(14,494 posts)................
UpInArms
(51,284 posts)that is good information and something we all need to know.
bottomofthehill
(8,346 posts)Pursuant to the Legislative Branch Appropriations Act, 1990, the Architect is appointed by the President with the advice and
consent of the Senate. Prior to the enactment of this law, the President
appointed the Architect for an unlimited term with no formal role for Congress.The act also established a 10
-year term for the Architect as well as a bicameral, bipartisan congressional commission to
recommend candidates to the President. As subsequently amended in 1995
this law provides for a commission consisting of 14 Members of Congress, including the Speaker of the House, the President pro tempore of the Senate, the House and Senate majority and minority leaders, and the chair and ranking minority members of the
Committee on House Administration, the Senate Committee on Rules and Administration, and the House and Senate Committees on Appropriations.An Architect may be reappointed
Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)Paul Ryan dug his head so far in the sand - by not stepping in on Nunes and Goodlatte and demanding that the House at least pretend to oversee the Executive branch - that Trump has no idea what powers the Speaker truly has.
Had he played his cards a little differently (and made Trump squirm once or twice), this Admin might be in a better position to deal with Nancy.
Liberal In Texas
(13,574 posts)There is no requirement that it be televised.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)turbinetree
(24,720 posts)Beautiful....................
November 3, 2020 cannot get here fast enough......................general election
February 7, 2019..........................cannot get here fast enough................Michael Cohen testifying in a congressional hearing...................
europa-rise
(1 post)I completely support Pelosi here. However, I am seriously concerned about this is akin to rearranging chairs on the deck as the Titanic steamrolls towards an ice burg. About two weeks ago I had a sudden insight into what is going on with Trump and the shutdown that truly disturbed me. I ran it by several friends who thought, given Trump's mendacity, agreed that it is very likely correct. Essentially I don't think he plans to reopen the government (at least anytime soon). I think he intends to generate a real crisis. The issue is the multiplier effect with the government shutdown when it comes to problems that arise from 800,000+ individuals not receiving pay, services not being provided, government contractors, etc. What about the unintended, unexpected consequences from a prolonged shutdown...for three months, six months, a year....longer? Not only does this offer Tea Party types their ideological manna of hurting those "lazy government workers" and government in general, it creates a genuine crisis that can exploited by Trump. I hope this is wrong--but everything I have read since having this somewhat terrifying insight only confirms my first intuition. I've read articles on AlterNet about the severe long term impacts of a shutdown, and just yesterday, according to MSNBC, the FBI issued a 70+ page report detailing how it is severely impacting their investigations, etc.. The shutdown also works to put the Dems in a really difficult situation. We can't give in to Trump or we set the precedent of him shutting down the government every time he doesn't get his way (as Pelosi has correctly pointed out) and, moreover, if the Dems caved on this (out of concerned of vast suffering) I fear it would splinter and derail our political momentum. I fear this is an endgame authoritarian move with vast and unimaginable consequences. I hope I am wrong.
In the end, it unfortunately comes down to Republican senators and moscow mitch. I only hope that Trump's poll numbers tank enough that he loses the senate, but I am not hopeful since it appears the Republican's are constituted by sociopaths--especially Mitch who is despicable and venal human being. I could also be wrong and Trump blinks before letting the nation go over the cliff, but I am not hopeful. If my intuition is correct, I am not certain what tactical options are. I am concerned we are in an autoimmune crisis where the cure to Trump is as dangerous as the disease...I put it out the community of readers (of which I have been for a long time and am now a new member) to help us think tactically to respond to such an existential crisis. We can only overcome this evil together.