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cali

(114,904 posts)
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 05:52 AM Aug 2012

Of course Akin will withdraw today

He can't stay in. The pressure on him is far too great for any politician to stay in. He has no support whatsoever from his party, and as we all know, that's a fatal blow. It's too bad, but hopefully this fuck up gives the dems a chance to hold this Senate seat. McCaskill may suck, but repubs taking the Senate would suck a lot more.

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Of course Akin will withdraw today (Original Post) cali Aug 2012 OP
Eh, Akin is tweeting to the Christian Conservative movement to support him financially. Fumesucker Aug 2012 #1
Even the tea party is calling for him to step down cali Aug 2012 #3
Maybe not the tea party xmas74 Aug 2012 #15
The "Assemblies of God" hifiguy Aug 2012 #36
Yes, it is and Yes, they are. Raised by and around 'em... cr8tvlde Aug 2012 #53
I have family in it. xmas74 Aug 2012 #58
Go for it, "Chik-Fil-A-ers"...spend until your bank account is depleted! bullwinkle428 Aug 2012 #26
And Akin is elected.. Fumesucker Aug 2012 #30
I bet he staying in. I'd even put money on it! Firebrand Gary Aug 2012 #2
Well, we don't have long to wait. He has to get out today cali Aug 2012 #4
He can get a court extention from 11 Tuesdays (today) to 6 Tu. CK_John Aug 2012 #37
Sure hope that he stays. Downwinder Aug 2012 #5
He's Got Nowhere To Go... KharmaTrain Aug 2012 #6
He has no support whatsoever from his party? NNN0LHI Aug 2012 #7
Wish it away? pintobean Aug 2012 #12
I have heard that the Assemblies of God xmas74 Aug 2012 #17
I don't know anything about pintobean Aug 2012 #20
a coworker had a phone call last night xmas74 Aug 2012 #21
It would be really interesting to have a thread that is JUST MO people karynnj Aug 2012 #42
Now that would be interesting. xmas74 Aug 2012 #59
wish it away? get real, don. cali Aug 2012 #13
I thought the same thing JonLP24 Aug 2012 #8
And he will be for ever more tied to Ryan Berlum Aug 2012 #9
Anyone who could possibly believe all that screwed up science has no grip on reality. dkf Aug 2012 #10
He's facing a political hurricane if he stays... Cooley Hurd Aug 2012 #11
exactly. cali Aug 2012 #14
then so should Ryan (step down) napkinz Aug 2012 #16
I don't want Akin to step down cali Aug 2012 #18
but he was the one McCaskill wanted to face the most, now if he withdraws they will put WI_DEM Aug 2012 #19
Well, I hope he goes against all tides but cali Aug 2012 #22
I agree with you. He is repulsive and has been exposed - no time for that with a new one . summerschild Aug 2012 #28
If he drops out I believe he also loses his house seat Angry Dragon Aug 2012 #23
I believe redistricting eliminated his seat proud2BlibKansan Aug 2012 #55
Let's hope so. n/t JTFrog Aug 2012 #24
One of the GOP's billionare's will buy him off. JoePhilly Aug 2012 #25
Or the party itself will make him an offer he can't refuse BlueStreak Aug 2012 #27
Maybe he'll get a nice cushy job with one of the GOP "think tanks", or a Fox show. JoePhilly Aug 2012 #29
Maybe Faux will let him host their new "Eye on Science" program. BlueStreak Aug 2012 #48
They really want the Senate. If he spits in their eye he better stay off small planes. summerschild Aug 2012 #31
He's starting to look like the only Repulican who won't take Koch money. JoePhilly Aug 2012 #57
That's how I see it too - TBF Aug 2012 #41
You obviously have no idea how dumb Akin is. proud2BlibKansan Aug 2012 #32
You're assuming the man is rational TrogL Aug 2012 #33
You misunderestimate the sheer pigheaded stoopidness of hifiguy Aug 2012 #34
Remember Lisa Murkowski? BumRushDaShow Aug 2012 #35
He is an extreme zealot, I wouldn't be so sure he is going to go... Spazito Aug 2012 #38
What would Sanford do? Oh yeah, stay put n/t Sheepshank Aug 2012 #39
I'm betting he sees himself as an instrument of the Lord Mariana Aug 2012 #40
Religion triumphs common sense and politics. These Republicans want kiranon Aug 2012 #56
I think the GOP voters in MO will stay with him and enough Christian conservative "undecided" AlinPA Aug 2012 #43
it just hit me why they want him out so bad and call for his resignation so lightening quick Laura PourMeADrink Aug 2012 #44
It might be a financial decision flamingdem Aug 2012 #45
I heard Rove on TV this morning saying Akin's funding has been cut off. Redford Aug 2012 #46
He seems to march to his own drummer lavenderdiva Aug 2012 #47
He has nothing to lose by staying in the race. Lone_Star_Dem Aug 2012 #49
looks like he's staying in maddezmom Aug 2012 #50
Noooooope Cali_Democrat Aug 2012 #51
I thought so too, in fact, expected to see that headline this morning. AtomicKitten Aug 2012 #52
Doesn't this bring back memories? Jimmy Swaggart, Jim and Tammy Baker cr8tvlde Aug 2012 #54
Well, dont you feel silly? :-) Logical Aug 2012 #60

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
1. Eh, Akin is tweeting to the Christian Conservative movement to support him financially.
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 05:58 AM
Aug 2012

It wouldn't surprise me at all to find he gets even more money from them than he would have from the Republican party.

He's only saying what a great many Christian Conservatives believe and he'll be greatly loved by them for speaking out. Sadly I have some CCs in my extended family and they all think he's great and speaking uncomfortable truths.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
3. Even the tea party is calling for him to step down
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 06:05 AM
Aug 2012

he just doesn't have the support to stay in.

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
15. Maybe not the tea party
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 07:29 AM
Aug 2012

but he does have the Christian Conversatives flocking to him. It doesn't seem like much until you realize that Springfield, MO is the international headquarters of the Assemblies of God-and supposedly they are supporting him.

If he gets that support he'll stay until the end.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
36. The "Assemblies of God"
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 11:16 AM
Aug 2012

are one step up from snake handlers. Wasn't Grifterella involved with the AoG? That creepy little shit with the Ferengi voice who was "protecting her from witchcraft" was AoG or some similar batshit denomination, wasn't he? Whatever. All of those DIY crackpot protestant cults, err, "churches" are batshit insane.

cr8tvlde

(1,185 posts)
53. Yes, it is and Yes, they are. Raised by and around 'em...
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 02:01 PM
Aug 2012

could write a book, but it's too depressing. Batshit crazy, which is why the likes of "Grifterella" LOL and Akin can reside within their vacuous head. Magic underwear and gleaming tablets or whatever, has nothing on this group.

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
58. I have family in it.
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 08:18 PM
Aug 2012

It's interesting and I'll stay with that. Anything else wouldn't be complimentary towards them.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
30. And Akin is elected..
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 10:03 AM
Aug 2012

I don't see this issue derailing him among his base at all, indeed I think it will mobilize support for him among Christian Conservatives, they love nothing more than to feel "persecuted" for their beliefs.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
4. Well, we don't have long to wait. He has to get out today
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 06:06 AM
Aug 2012

or they're stuck with him. I think he'll be gone long before the sun is over the yardarm.

KharmaTrain

(31,706 posts)
6. He's Got Nowhere To Go...
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 06:14 AM
Aug 2012

The fun here is to see how close this goes to 5pm when Akin's name goes on the ballot and stays there. Only a court case can remove it after that date. So there's extreme pressure on him by the party establishment to drop out and I'm 50/50 on him doing so. The 50 side that says he won't drop out is because that would mean this guy's career, him ambition is over. He's not running for re-election to his house seat so if he drops out he'll have to do something he's not loathe to do...get a REAL job. His ego just isn't ready to take the demotion...

I'm hoping the fundies rally around him and this opens up a big rift that's been brewing within the great unhinged for years. Dumping Akin...if its seen as being orchestrated by the party "establishment" could precipitate the long awaited party implosion...just in time for the party's sleezefest in Tampa.

This will be a fun and fascinating day...and could signal the opening shot of the long overdue rushpublican "civil war"...

NNN0LHI

(67,190 posts)
7. He has no support whatsoever from his party?
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 06:21 AM
Aug 2012

You don't know the Republicans I know cali.

You are whistling past the graveyard on this one.

Akin is a hero of every Republican man and woman I am acquainted with.

You can't wish this one away.

Don

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
12. Wish it away?
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 07:18 AM
Aug 2012

That's a strange way of putting it.

I don't know the republicans that you know, but here in Missouri, the republicans want him out and the Democrats want him to stay. I'm sure he still has some support in outlying areas, but not enough to survive.

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
17. I have heard that the Assemblies of God
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 07:37 AM
Aug 2012

were supposedly giving him their support. Their headquarters is in Springfield. Bachmann is also still supporting him at this time, so he's getting some support-hopefully enough to make him want to stay.

BTW-did you notice that, even though most on DU have us in Missouri as some sort of ultra conservatives, the presidential race is actually polling too close at this time? (It's within two points with only a slight lead to Romney.)

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
20. I don't know anything about
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 07:46 AM
Aug 2012

the Assemblies of God. The born-agains and baptist that I know have thrown him under the bus, though. I hope you're right. I heard on the news this morning that a poll from last night(ppp?) has Aiken up by one percentage point. Hopefully, that helps to encourage him.

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
21. a coworker had a phone call last night
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 08:02 AM
Aug 2012

polling for him. She posted on FB that she "gladly gave her support", hoping it would keep him in the race. She's actually a very liberal woman who can't stand him-she just wants him in the race until November.

He's still polling and she said that the polls sounded positive for him, at least the questions did.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
42. It would be really interesting to have a thread that is JUST MO people
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 11:33 AM
Aug 2012

speaking of what they are seeing and hearing in MO.

You bring up a very interesting point - that the presidential race is close.

I suspect that the national fury is because they wanted to signal that Akin is too extreme for their party - even though a case can be made that Ryan is not all that far from Akin. Akin staying in suggests that he is not too extreme to win a statewide seat. (There have always been more extreme people in the House - elected in the fringe - right or left - districts. Akin would join a list of really extreme Republican Senators. To see how different this is - list the 5 most extreme Republican Senators and then look at the 5 most liberal Democrats. I don't think it is my political bias that concludes that their 5 are far more extreme than ours.)

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
59. Now that would be interesting.
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 08:25 PM
Aug 2012

I'm in West Central Missouri and I'm in a more conservative area. I'd love to hear from others in KC, St Louis, in NE, NW, SE, SW, and Central MO about what they see and what they hear.

The only problem I see with that thread is a few DU'ers who would want to argue with us, even though they are nowhere near our state.

The presidential election is that close here in Missouri. It's within two points in favor of Romney. That's almost close enough to make it a swing state.

One interesting thing I did hear at work today: I heard someone mention Akin and someone else said that (and I quote) "Ryan's just like him. He even thinks there are different kinds of rape." Both are moderates, independent voters and both sounded downright pissed off.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
8. I thought the same thing
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 06:21 AM
Aug 2012

until I saw that he has a new ad released today. I think it's a sure bet he's staying in.

 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
11. He's facing a political hurricane if he stays...
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 07:02 AM
Aug 2012

...and he doesn't look smart enough or strong enough to withstand it. Even if he does stay, he'll be persona non grata. A political zombie. The only one who doesn't know he's (politically) dead is him.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
14. exactly.
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 07:25 AM
Aug 2012

and the repubs of all stripes- from the RNC to Mitt to the tea party express are leaning on him- hard.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
18. I don't want Akin to step down
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 07:41 AM
Aug 2012

I simply find it hard to imagine he won't. The pukes are playing hardball with him.

WI_DEM

(33,497 posts)
19. but he was the one McCaskill wanted to face the most, now if he withdraws they will put
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 07:41 AM
Aug 2012

their most popular republican (whoever that is) up against her. So I actually think the only way McCaskill survives is if Akin stays in.

summerschild

(725 posts)
28. I agree with you. He is repulsive and has been exposed - no time for that with a new one .
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 09:56 AM
Aug 2012

And a new one wouldn't be dumb as a rock like him.

Her only chance is if he stays in.

proud2BlibKansan

(96,793 posts)
55. I believe redistricting eliminated his seat
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 02:32 PM
Aug 2012

Or maybe it was another seat in the St. Louis area? They lost at least one seat I think.

 

BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
27. Or the party itself will make him an offer he can't refuse
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 09:23 AM
Aug 2012

He is in a great negotiating position at this point. He can get a deal much better than a Senate seat. Pretty ironic that the more insane you are in the Republican Party, the more your stock goes up.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
57. He's starting to look like the only Repulican who won't take Koch money.
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 05:10 PM
Aug 2012

They have to be offering him a fortune to STFU and get out of the race.

TBF

(32,067 posts)
41. That's how I see it too -
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 11:29 AM
Aug 2012

he'll wait until he gets an offer he likes before he steps down. It's the way they operate ...

TrogL

(32,822 posts)
33. You're assuming the man is rational
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 11:10 AM
Aug 2012

He believes he is right because he is right. He has to stay in to fight the good fight.

(rhyme and alliteration unintentional)

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
34. You misunderestimate the sheer pigheaded stoopidness of
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 11:12 AM
Aug 2012

the teabangelical nincompoops. That isn't an act. That is stupidity that goes all the way to the bone.

BumRushDaShow

(129,101 posts)
35. Remember Lisa Murkowski?
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 11:14 AM
Aug 2012

Just sayin'.

(yes I know her issue was the reverse of this but the battling against the party is the same)

Spazito

(50,365 posts)
38. He is an extreme zealot, I wouldn't be so sure he is going to go...
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 11:21 AM
Aug 2012

He sees himself as a 'messenger from God' rather than a politician, imo. I am betting 60/40 - 60% chance he stays, 40% he goes.

Mariana

(14,858 posts)
40. I'm betting he sees himself as an instrument of the Lord
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 11:28 AM
Aug 2012

whose mission is to return American to the path of righteousness, or some such crazy shit.

kiranon

(1,727 posts)
56. Religion triumphs common sense and politics. These Republicans want
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 02:54 PM
Aug 2012

a theocracy so they can rule without dissent or any sense of guilt. They will be doing God's work as they define it and getting even richer in the process.

AlinPA

(15,071 posts)
43. I think the GOP voters in MO will stay with him and enough Christian conservative "undecided"
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 11:44 AM
Aug 2012

voters will go for him. A few more "I ask for forgiveness" ads and mentioning God and Jesus a lot will keep him ahead in polls.

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
44. it just hit me why they want him out so bad and call for his resignation so lightening quick
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 12:36 PM
Aug 2012

they don't want anyone to start comparing his beliefs to Ryan's

otherwise the whole election's in more jeopardy - forget MO

why no news person starts asking is beyond me - Ryan...how are you different than Akin of abortion for rape?

Redford

(373 posts)
46. I heard Rove on TV this morning saying Akin's funding has been cut off.
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 12:54 PM
Aug 2012

Akin is so repulsive even the reptards can see it.

lavenderdiva

(10,726 posts)
47. He seems to march to his own drummer
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 01:06 PM
Aug 2012

this from his 'Bio' on his own Senate race webpage:

"As a congressman, Todd continued to champion conservative principles. His very first vote in congress was against “No Child Left Behind.” In fact, he was the only congressman in Missouri to vote against it. Since then, his principled stands have continued. He even withstood the pressure of personal phone calls from the President and threats from his top donors. Yet accompanying these rock-solid convictions is a man who is respectful of his colleagues and willing to work with anyone toward real solutions."


(edit to add: bold emphasis is mine)

link here: http://www.akin.org/about-todd-akin

I don't think he will yield to the pressure his campaign is under, which might be a good thing for our side, IMHO.

Lone_Star_Dem

(28,158 posts)
49. He has nothing to lose by staying in the race.
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 01:25 PM
Aug 2012

The Republican party has plenty to lose, though. They should have handled him a bit differently. These Baggers are not party loyalist, as they're finding out.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
52. I thought so too, in fact, expected to see that headline this morning.
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 01:42 PM
Aug 2012

But I saw his I'm sorry, so sorry ad instead.

Now it looks like this little fella is hanging in. You go, little fella.

cr8tvlde

(1,185 posts)
54. Doesn't this bring back memories? Jimmy Swaggart, Jim and Tammy Baker
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 02:11 PM
Aug 2012

there have been many. I'll tell you, the one thing the Christian RWingers love better than a tear-stained sordid public testimony of a fall from grace from a now mere mortal, is a sordid gut-wrenching plea for forgiveness to get the contributions back on track. The bigger the better ... the more sin, the more grace, the more contributions. How else could Bristol Palin rake in millions as an advocate for abstention? Jimmy Swaggart and son are both raking it in. I rest my case.

Todd Akin is chump change in this arena.

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