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CabCurious

(954 posts)
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 08:38 AM Aug 2012

Assange. Here's why he must go to Sweden. Unconditionally.

However you may feel about wikileaks, the matter of the accusations in Sweden stands on its own. Any principled progressive must respect that two women have made accusations against him and that he cannot just flee in the name of Truth & Justice. Unless you have HARD PROOF that these women are GUILTY of lying, then you are arguing against the justice system.

Gandhi went to prison.
Mandela went to prison.
Martin Luther King went to prison.

The list of principled heroes who went to prison is very long.

You can support what Assange represents in terms of his publications of leaks, but there is not a valid grounding for supporting his refusal to even cooperate with the sexual misconduct investigation.

Claim it's political. Claim it's some wild CIA conspiracy and that the two women MUST be lying honeypots.

But you are attacking the same justice system and principles that we should be defending. This isn't JUST about wikileaks. It's also about a male being accused of sexual misconduct. Just because he's a hero in the minds of many doesn't mean he is above the law, above principles of justice, and above having to deal with consequences.

Our real heroes went to prison.

Assange believes he should always be free. Why? Because he published the leaks entrusted to him by whistle blowers?

Remember, he's not a whistle blower. He's not an investigative journalist. What is he?

Where are the bank records he promised? Why is he withholding so much information as a threat against being imprisoned?

And who is he to determine the terms of his cooperation? He gets to tell Sweden to abandon their treaties? For him?

Is that heroic? Is that principled?

I support the idea of wikileaks. I support whistle blowing and investigative journalist. I cannot support Assange and his attempts to flee all consequences, especially the accusations in Sweden.

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HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
4. Seems to me Assange did cooperate at first, and charges were dropped...
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 08:54 AM
Aug 2012

then for some reason (as in US pressure) the Swedish prosecutor went back to the drawing board.

Go back in the timeline...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11949341


Life teaches the lesson that equally important principles can come into conflict. When principles are in conflict people must make choices. Once made such choices are available for criticism.




Octafish

(55,745 posts)
5. No. It's George W Bush, Richard Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and Condoleeza Rice you're looking for.
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 08:57 AM
Aug 2012

They're why Assange blew the whistle.

still_one

(92,219 posts)
6. The truth is this isn't about sexual misconduct. This is about governments being embarrassed
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 08:59 AM
Aug 2012

because things go out that demonstrated a lot of bad things are being done by countries, and their citizens are not aware of what is being done in their name.

Robb

(39,665 posts)
7. Assange has the right to fight, and he has.
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 09:00 AM
Aug 2012

The beauty of the legal system he rails against is that he's had several opportunities for appeal. Transparent appeals, transparent rulings -- open, not secret, courts with named judges.

His appeals exhausted, finally, he ran. Again, his right to do so.

I don't think we need him to be Gandhi here. But I think he needs to stop pretending he is.

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