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pnwmom

(108,980 posts) Sat Jan 26, 2019, 04:06 AM Jan 2019

Re: Rachel's story that the Intelligence Committee can't send reports to Mueller yet

Last edited Sat Jan 26, 2019, 04:55 AM - Edit history (2)

because Republican members haven't yet been appointed.

I've been looking for rules for the Committee, and could only find rules for the Senate, not the House. There used to be a couple of links for House rules, but both of those links are broken now -- they just lead to blank pages.

So now I'm wondering if the problem is that the rules might have to be approved by the whole committee -- and with no Republican members, there is not yet a committee to approve rules.

So the question now is, in the absence of a functioning Intelligence Committee, do the rules of the HOUSE allow Nancy to send the documents to Mueller?

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Re: Rachel's story that the Intelligence Committee can't send reports to Mueller yet (Original Post) pnwmom Jan 2019 OP

9.7 ... Committee members and staff do not need prior approval to disclose classified struggle4progress Jan 2019 #1

Thanks! n/t pnwmom Jan 2019 #2

That document seems to pertain to the Senate canetoad Jan 2019 #3

You're right. Thanks! The first link I tried wouldn't open, so I tried the second one pnwmom Jan 2019 #4

I've been searching for the HPSCI rules canetoad Jan 2019 #16

Minority members are listed here: struggle4progress Jan 2019 #6

Thanks. So what the heck was Rachel talking about? Oh, wait a minute. pnwmom Jan 2019 #7

It's a permanent committee so the Speaker may be able to take the view that if struggle4progress Jan 2019 #12

I hope you're right. But Rachel's story was that the minority members haven't been appointed yet, pnwmom Jan 2019 #13

"Select Committee" means something like "members appointed by speaker" struggle4progress Jan 2019 #14

KR! Cha Jan 2019 #5

This is frustrating. Rachel's show should do a better job on this manor321 Jan 2019 #8

Rachel is an alarmist BluegrassDem Jan 2019 #9

Have you checked it on archive.com or one of those ? OnDoutside Jan 2019 #10

No, but I doubt that finding OLD Intelligence committee rules would be very useful. nt pnwmom Jan 2019 #11

Nancy will work it out. She'll decree there are no GOP members by choice - true - Vinca Jan 2019 #15

struggle4progress

(118,295 posts)

1. 9.7 ... Committee members and staff do not need prior approval to disclose classified

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2019, 04:23 AM

Jan 2019

or committee sensitive information to persons in the Executive branch, the members and staff of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, and the members and staff of the Senate, provided that the following conditions are met: (1) for classified information, the recipients of the information must possess appropriate security clearances (or have access to the information by virtue of their office); (2) for all information, the recipients of the information must have a need-to-know such information for an official governmental purpose; and (3) for all information, the Committee members and staff who provide the information must be engaged in the routine performance of Committee legislative or oversight duties ...

https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/about/rules-procedure

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)

2. Thanks! n/t

Reply to struggle4progress (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 26, 2019, 04:39 AM

Jan 2019

canetoad

(17,169 posts)

3. That document seems to pertain to the Senate

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2019, 04:45 AM

Jan 2019

2.4. Except as otherwise provided in these Rules, decisions of the Committee shall be by a majority vote of the members present and voting. A quorum for the transaction of Committee business, including the conduct of executive sessions, shall consist of no less than one third of the Committee members, except that for the purpose of hearing witnesses, taking sworn testimony, and receiving evidence under oath, a quorum may consist of one Senator.

I've just finished watching Rachel's segment and was under the impression that it was the House Committee that the Repubs. roles had not been filed.

The HSPCI website https://intelligence.house.gov/about/hpsci-majority-members.htm only has Democratic members listed.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)

4. You're right. Thanks! The first link I tried wouldn't open, so I tried the second one

Reply to canetoad (Reply #3)

Sat Jan 26, 2019, 04:47 AM

Jan 2019

and didn't notice that it was the Senate, not the House.

So I've checked and can't find ANY working link to House rules. I'm afraid maybe the problem is that any rules have to be approved by the incoming committee. And without any House membership, the committee doesn't exist yet.

canetoad

(17,169 posts)

16. I've been searching for the HPSCI rules

Reply to pnwmom (Reply #4)

Sat Jan 26, 2019, 06:19 PM

Jan 2019

There is a website - but it's blank!

https://intelligence.house.gov/about/committee-rules.htm

To make sure it just wasn't loading properly, I checked the page code:

<html>
<head>
</head>
<body>
</body>
</html>

Nothing between the html tags.

struggle4progress

(118,295 posts)

6. Minority members are listed here:

Reply to canetoad (Reply #3)

Sat Jan 26, 2019, 05:03 AM

Jan 2019

https://intelligence.house.gov/about/hpsci-minority-members.htm

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)

7. Thanks. So what the heck was Rachel talking about? Oh, wait a minute.

Reply to struggle4progress (Reply #6)

Sat Jan 26, 2019, 05:19 AM

Jan 2019

That can't be an up to date list, because Trey Gowdy is listed there, and he retired.

Also, the Majority is listed with only 13 members, and the Minority with 14. So I'm guessing those were the FORMER members, and they've just switched the title from Majority to Minority.

struggle4progress

(118,295 posts)

12. It's a permanent committee so the Speaker may be able to take the view that if

Reply to pnwmom (Reply #7)

Sat Jan 26, 2019, 07:07 AM

Jan 2019

the minority hasn't appointed anyone they more or less intended to stick with who they previously had

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)

13. I hope you're right. But Rachel's story was that the minority members haven't been appointed yet,

Reply to struggle4progress (Reply #12)

Sat Jan 26, 2019, 07:17 AM

Jan 2019

and that's why the transcripts couldn't be released to Mueller.

struggle4progress

(118,295 posts)

14. "Select Committee" means something like "members appointed by speaker"

Reply to pnwmom (Reply #13)

Sat Jan 26, 2019, 07:29 AM

Jan 2019

though for the select committees I expect the practice is one of courteous deference to the minority leader

But if the minority leader doesn't act, an appropriately polite response might simply be to pretend that one had somehow misunderstood their intentions, for which one can later diligently apologize when the minority leader finally does act

Cha

(297,323 posts)

5. KR!

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2019, 04:51 AM

Jan 2019

manor321

(3,344 posts)

8. This is frustrating. Rachel's show should do a better job on this

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2019, 05:36 AM

Jan 2019

- No other news outlet appears to have covered this story

- Rachel didn't site any source for the explanation of the rules she's discussing

- Rachel didn't ask for clarification from any committee member, including Swalwell who was on the show last night immediately following this segment.

- They tweeted this story, without any further documentation or explanation

BluegrassDem

(1,693 posts)

9. Rachel is an alarmist

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2019, 05:43 AM

Jan 2019

She is smart as a whip, but she had a tendency to be an alarmist. I don't know how many elections she said were ready to be stolen from Dems in the past decade or so that didn't come to fruition.

OnDoutside

(19,962 posts)

10. Have you checked it on archive.com or one of those ?

Reply to pnwmom (Original post)

Sat Jan 26, 2019, 06:53 AM

Jan 2019

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)

11. No, but I doubt that finding OLD Intelligence committee rules would be very useful. nt

Reply to OnDoutside (Reply #10)

Sat Jan 26, 2019, 06:58 AM

Jan 2019

Vinca

(50,278 posts)

15. Nancy will work it out. She'll decree there are no GOP members by choice - true -