Bernie Sanders attacks Democrat focus on 'gay, black, Latino' candidates

[Soph0571]

In the interview, he said: “There are people who are very big into diversity but whose views end up being not particularly sympathetic to working people, whether they’re white or black or Latino.

“My main belief is that we need to bring together a coalition of people—of black and white and Latino and Asian-American and Native-American—around a progressive agenda which is prepared to take on an extraordinarily powerful ruling class in this country.

“That is my view. Many of my opponents do not hold that view, and they think that all that we need is people who are candidates who are black or white, who are black or Latino or woman or gay, regardless of what they stand for, that the end result is diversity.”

[link:https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/01/25/bernie-sanders-gay-black-latino-diversity/|

Heh. This is the same problem I have with Corbyn in the UK - a certain part of the left wing movement does not understand the need for identity politics because they are in and of themselves from the most privileged section of our societies... it is a false dichotomy that if you raise the living standards for some, all will benefit equally...different interventions are needed in different communities...

[Mike Nelson]

1. Interesting strategy...

… personally, I think the winning strategy is to court the so-called "gay, black, Latino" voters. Obama and Hillary had inclusion in nearly every speech. Even some Republicans were including the "inclusive language" - but The Donald dropped it in favor of portraying these groups as negative. I hope Bernie continues with the positive route.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

4. Yes indeed... EXACTLY what Bernie said...

“My main belief is that we need to bring together a coalition of people—of black and white and Latino and Asian-American and Native-American—around a progressive agenda which is prepared to take on an extraordinarily powerful ruling class in this country."

[dawg day]

56. "We" need to bring together....

That kind of ignores the fact that the coalition already exists as the Democratic Party, without him doing the "bringing it together".
The Democratic Party is not by any means perfect or unified or anything. It is, however, a coalition of a whole lot of different people, and that actually happened without Bernie Sanders (who, uh, isn't actually even a member of that group).

He is not the one who is going to determine what the "agenda" is, and he doesn't own the "progressive agenda"-- in fact, as has been happening all along, the women and minorities and LGBTQ people have been merrily going along changing all sorts of things without him ordering them around.

[fleabiscuit]

132. What is his view? nt

[Maru Kitteh]

2. "My Opponents" - HE IS TALKING ABOUT DEMOCRATS AS HIS "OPPONENTS"

Fuck that noise.

[obamanut2012]

3. I noticed that, too

wtaf

[agingdem]

10. go away Bernie!

He's not a Democrat ... we need new people..new ideas...not an old white guy (I'm 70) spewing the same devisive crap

[TNNurse]

12. I agree, he is not a Democrat, he is too old

I will be 70 later this year. We need new energy. Now the Senate can use a wise and experienced leader like Pelosi. The House will benefit from the combo of her experience and youth of new members. The Senate is stuck presently with a person experienced at being wrong about everything.

[violetpastille]

70. + 1 Bernie Sanders is 77

I agree with everything else!

[sarcasmo]

155. +1

[rgbecker]

18. I think he's talking about you!

[Adrahil]

24. And yet he is still protected here....

This will probably get alerted and hidden too.

[NastyRiffraff]

68. ALL Democrats are his opponents

That's exactly what's wrong with him, and why I will work to make sure he doesn't make it to Super Tuesday.

[BamaRefugee]

77. DAMN RIGHT! Fickety fackety FUCK THAT NOISE!

[Apollyonus]

114. Bernie needs to go back to Vermont and enjoy

his gains including a lake-front mansion.

[frazzled]

5. Exactly which "opponents" think that

“All we need are people who are ... black or Latino or woman or gay, regardless of what they stand for”?

Really? I’ve never heard that. Like, Ben Carson would be ok because he’s black?

I think he’s saying, my idea of progressive is the only correct one (“I alone can fix it”) and everyone else is insufficiently educated about the blah blah blah.

Bernie has nothing to add to the conversatiion at this point. We’ve heard his entire shtick a thousand times, and it’s the same shtick he’s been spouting since 1971. The 1%, the banks, the elites in Washington. That’s all he’s got.

He’s toast before it even starts.

[betsuni]

6. +1

[R B Garr]

17. +1

Exactly. “regardless of what they stand for” — here come the same old smears...only he can dictate what people stand for.

[mcar]

21. Seems to me it's Bernie playing

"Identity politics."

[emulatorloo]

55. It is a strawmen. The most charitable way I can put it is that he is a gaffe machine

Fortunately we have many wonderful “Opponents” running

[Apollyonus]

118. He is completely out to lunch n/t

[apcalc]

7. He does not understand, or diminishes, a big portion of the Democratic base.

We share “ identities”, ie we have common understandings of our lives, our problems and issues we face as workers ,women, POC, seniors, families, the disabled, etc. That unites us as we move forward to make lives better for all . That stuff matters.

I find that Sanders “ gets” economic issues, and some health concerns. I also find that he doesn’t really “get” matters of discrimination, and feels we need to see “beyond” that.

Imo we need candidates who get the entire picture.

[oberliner]

9. Who are your preferred candidates?

[Buckeyeblue]

8. It's important to have diverse candidates so all of the country sees themselves in government

However, diverse candidates will not win if there campaign is all about them being diverse.

They have to speak to the issues. Let everyone else speak to a specific candidates diversity. But the candidate, herself/himself, should rarely bring it up. That is what Obama did. And it worked.

There are to many external factors to try to dissect the Clinton campaign from the stand point of how they handled diversity. I think they handled it well.

But it comes down to the issues. Regardless of what you look like, you have to be able to connect on the issues.

[Adrahil]

25. HRC was NOT a "token candidate". FFS! NT

[MoonRiver]

11. Of course he does, because

he's not gay, black, or Latino.

[comradebillyboy]

19. Or a woman.

[MoonRiver]

20. Yes

[Farmer-Rick]

13. The proper word is DEMOCRATIC

I know you only copied the headline but Democratic is an adjective and Democrat is a noun and used to diminish the Democratic party.

It's not you fault the writer doesn't understand the proper use of the English language...being British and all that.

[Squinch]

148. I understand that the right likes to emphasize the "rat" and has tried to turn our name into an

insult, but I choose to acknowledge their schoolyard imbecilic childishness in that effort and nothing more.

I am a proud Democrat, and will always be a proud Democrat.

When the word is not used grammatically correctly, as in "Democrat focus" instead of "Democratic focus" I don't think it diminishes the Democratic party or Democrats in any way.

We should not hand our name over to them.

[Farmer-Rick]

150. Well by misusing the word and using it as an adjective like they do

You have done half their job for them.

They are trying, and it seems pretty well accomplished, to normalize Democrat as an adjective to emphasizes the RAT over the democracy we stand for. By eliminating the Democratic, the part of the name that implies a democratic government, the democracy that people have died for, they have turned the name into just a simple label or thing. Democrat is NOT the singularly best form of government human kind has ever evolved. Democrat is NOT a goal of equality and fairness for all. Democrat is not a process that is all inclusive. It is not a proud party, it is one person, one thing and not a group.

They are NOT just trying to rename our party to sound as if we are only one person, they are trying to take the democracy out of it too.

[Squinch]

151. Uh... okie dokie.

[NurseJackie]

14. Does he not realize how that sounds? Or, does he realize and just not care?

I can never support someone who says things like that.

[PunkinPi]

16. A reminder from HRC about attacks from the left...

Link to tweet

[NurseJackie]

33. She's correct, you know! That was an excellent historical analysis. Brief, concise, TRUE!

Here's a transcript that may help some folks who can't easily view the embedded video, or who like to cut and paste exact quotes. Hillary spoke very eloquently, and clearly. She's not 'rehashing' (as some have claimed).

Now I can understand why some might want to avoid the topic completely and sweep aside the shameful behavior we witnessed... but what Hillary is doing here is sounding the alarm. It's another warning. She's telling us what happened before, and she's explaining how it's happening again.

Sadly, the same misogynists and other assorted "haters" are trying to silence her again. Her message is important. Her warning is sincere. Now more than ever we need to take her seriously and not sweep it under the rug with false accusations of "rehashing".

Clinton: "I know what it's like to win, and I know what it's like to lose. And when I lost to Barack Obama, I immediately turned around, I endorsed him, I worked for him. I convinced my supporters to vote for him. I didn't get the same respect from my primary opponent. And a lot of his supporters continued to harass and, you know, really go after my supporters all the time."

"And that feeds-in, I think, to the whole sexism and misogyny part of this campaign. I had large groups of supporters who had to be private because if they lifted their head up online, if they were, you know, responding on a YouTube comment chain, or on Twitter to something, they would just attack! And the attacks were so sexist about "well you're supporting a woman cause you're a woman," and they just never really got to the facts."

Pauley: "They're called---these are the Bernie bros, so called---"

Clinton: "Well, yes. And they're still out there. And I also make the point that, look--"

Pauley: "Why give them, why give them material? Why not let them concentrate on the Trump administration?"

Clinton: "Well, I'm concentrating on the Trump administration. And I'm proud to be a Democrat. I've been a Democrat for decades. I have supported Democrats. I've worked for Democrats."

"Bernie's not a Democrat. And that's not a slam. That's what he says himself."

"And I think a lot of what he churned up on the primary campaign was very hurtful in the general election against me. And I see him doing the same thing. I see him, you know, with his supporters, he doesn't disown the things they say about, you know, some of my favorite Democrats. People like Kamala Harris who is out there speaking up and speaking out, and she's being attacked from the left."

"Enough! You know, if you don't want to support Democrats then go somewhere else!"

[PunkinPi]

34. Well said, NJ, and thanks for the transcription. nt

[NurseJackie]

36. And thank YOU for finding that interview!! Hillary's still got it!

And I'm still with her!

[PunkinPi]

39. You're welcome...

She sure does and I'm still with her too!

Who better to give advice than the popular vote winner and a woman who went through 2016?

[peggysue2]

67. As HRC said, Enough!

If you don't want to support Democrats then go somewhere else

That's pretty succinct from someone who knows from experience what this stance looks and sounds like.

We've seen this picture show before.

[Apollyonus]

117. Hillary is 100% correct

[mcar]

22. I wish someone would ask him

to name the candidates who say vote for me because I'm a woman, or Latino.

[emulatorloo]

57. He can't name them, because it is a strawman argument.

[mcar]

62. That is exactly right

The media shouldn't allow him to get away with it.

[ismnotwasm]

23. Opponents.

Who are his opponents?

[RandySF]

79. Anyone who doesn't vote for him.

[GulfCoast66]

131. Democrats

[UniteFightBack]

26. Sounds like the Obama coalition. nt

[Oneironaut]

27. Bernie is arguing against identity politics here.

He’s saying we should look at what people are saying (and is doing self-promotion at the same time).

I’m not really a Bernie fan. What’s he’s saying here is kind of true. I think it’s also important to look at peoples’ views. However, I think his comments are also self-serving.

[ismnotwasm]

30. The problem with his POV is current inequalities

We need diverse representation because that’s how we hear diverse voices. We just elected a historically diverse congress. They will lead the way.

Bernie is not doing himself any favors here

Of course we need to elect people on merit, but we need to take a good hard look at a system that favors white men. AOC is a example of such diversity, and she loves Bernie from all I can tell. Yet her youth and voice are also inexperienced;she was definitely elected not on political experience but what she was saying, a fresh outlook, and represents diversity

I think Bernie is going to curmudgeon himself right out of the race early with these dog whistles

[Oneironaut]

31. I agree. I would say his comments can be summed up as, "That's easy for you to say."

It’s the same as when white people don’t understand why we need affirmative action. “Everything is fine! Your grades / abilities / etc. should be what matter!”

Bernie isn’t sincere here. His comments are strategic. His statement is only okay if you ignore why he’s saying it. It confirmed my dislike of him, to be honest.

[ismnotwasm]

35. Yeah, I agree

He’s tossing a wrench in that’s for sure.

[njhoneybadger]

28. Please go the fuck away

Bernie has to bash Democrats to build some kind of Frankenstein voting bloc he thinks he can win with

[DemocratSinceBirth]

32. "Frankenstein voting bloc"

[betsuni]

95. Frankenstein voting bloc is a really good one.

[Johnny2X2X]

29. I agree with Bernie

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A broad message from the Democratic Party aimed at what it can for the working class is a winning strategy. There is a class war, that’s why Trump got so many working people to vote for him. Dems need to run on how Trump failed those working people and how they will not fail them.

[David__77]

41. Bernie Sanders is great, and venomous attacks against him from the "Left" will come with a price.

It could be quite a steep price, and not one paid by Sanders.

[MrGrieves]

47. The guy attacks the democratic party

The guy attacks the democratic party everytine there is a mic in front of his face.

[David__77]

49. OK.

Regardless of that, venomous attacks against him from the "left" will come with a price.

Will there be camps, mocking and despising one another?

It's about more than Sanders. It's also about the many millions of people who voted for him to be the Democratic nominee.

[MrGrieves]

54. What venous attacks

What venous attacks are you talking about?

[David__77]

60. I'm referring to disrespectful nicknames and insults.

Of course, determining what constitutes such a thing is a matter of personal viewpoint. I think that there are ample examples of Sanders being the object of disrespectful nicknames and insults.

[MrGrieves]

89. Ok sure. So where are they?

And are we talking about everyday people or are we talking about actual politicians pushing this? Because HERE we are talking about Bernie himself saying the things that he says. If we are equating everyday people's statements to balance Bernie's own attacks on news outlets I think that's not a fair comparison. He is the driving force behind the division that we are seeing. And that just isn't even debatable. I don't really see the same fro democratic politicians. Unless you can show me where democratic politicians attack him I don't think there is any comparison.

[Apollyonus]

119. I have never seen anyone treat him with disrespect

but he should stop acting like a prima donna ..... he is just one candidate and we have a couple dozen who also have good ideas. He should stop thinking of himself as god's gift to the Democratic party to which he doesn't belong.

[emulatorloo]

59. Dunno. He's a gaffe machine. We have left candidates that don't have his baggage

and can actually produce concrete proposals. I like Bernie but he isn’t the only person out there who is left-liberal progressive.

P.S. quoting him isn’t a “venomous” attacking, nor is examining his voting record.

[David__77]

61. I'm referring to disrespectful nicknames and insults.

I'm not referring to quoting him or to examining his record as such.

[emulatorloo]

66. Yeah I don't like that either.

[mcar]

64. So it's OK for Bernie to attack Democrats on a regular basis

But if Democrats criticize him for it, they are "venomous" and will come with a price?

What's the price?

Is this one of those threats I've seen here and elsewhere - be nice to us or we won't vote for Democrats?

[David__77]

72. I'm referring to disrespectful nicknames and insults.

And I did not say what it's OK for Sanders to do.

I think that disrespectful nicknames and insults don't tend to generate good will and unity. The absence of those things can be costly.

The related issue is whether or not one considers Sanders to be a political enemy. If so, I understand that some people may think that disrespectful nicknames and insults and just fine and good.

[mcar]

76. What disrespectful names? What insults?

Conserva-dem? Corporatist? Wall St Democrat?

I've heard and seen those insults here and elsewhere toward Democratic candidates.

[David__77]

80. I'm quite sure people can use their own judgment in determining that.

I would say that calling someone a "fucking parasite," for instance, is a disrespectful insult. If I saw that term applied to someone, I would consider that to be a disrespectful insult. Others may disagree, and may even think it's just fine and good.

[LongtimeAZDem]

82. I'm on record here as being against using the f-word, even for the president,

but the term "parasite" is, I believe, applicable here.

We are discussing someone who has not only refused to join the Democratic party, but has publicly derided it for decades, even though it is the party that actually accomplishes their aims in Congress.

We are discussing someone who "joined" the party for a campaign, but re-registered as an Independent even before the election.

We are discussing someone who continues to attack Democratic candidates, but is now planning to once again use the party for their own campaign.

So yes, I believe that "parasite" is a reasonable interpretation.

[David__77]

83. You think that Sanders IS a "parasite?"

...

[LongtimeAZDem]

84. Yes; what part of my post was unclear?

[David__77]

86. Just clarifying that you weren't merely saying he demonstrated parasitic behavior.

You think that he is a parasite. I understand. Thank you for the reply.

[LongtimeAZDem]

88. You're welcome. Prior to the 2016 election, I would have described him as a "symbiote",

but, unfortunately, he changed my mind.

I say this as someone who was a fan of his for decades before hardly anyone outside of Vermont had ever heard of him.

[guillaumeb]

101. No, he attacks the focus of some in the Party. eom

[Apollyonus]

121. He attacks the very core of the Democratic party

Minorities form a vast majority of the Democratic base. Attacking it from his privileged white perch is anathema to the excitement, hopes and aspirations of the Democratic voters.

People feel their own injustices with a passion and are not just looking for a bigger paycheck. Bernie is completely tone deaf to that.

[guillaumeb]

153. I agree that Sanders focused on economic analysis,

and focused on capitalism, while not recognizing that racism and misogyny are foundational to capitalism.

[Me.]

69. The Only One Attacking Venomously Is Him

and yes, it will cost him. You think he'd learn.

[David__77]

74. I don't think that that's true.

I think that disrespectful insults and nicknames can be venomous. I think that there are plenty of examples of such disrespectful insults and nicknames being applied to Sanders by others.

[Cha]

90. BS is not just attacking the current field of candidates who've already declared for the Democratic

Link to tweet

Stop trying to turn BS into a victim. He's Not "respectful".

[David__77]

98. My point relates to disrespectful insults and nicknames.

...

[fleabiscuit]

135. So no "sticks and stones?"

[David__77]

137. Everyone can make their choice, of course.

...

[stonecutter357]

85. lol What's the price?

[David__77]

87. That's a matter of viewpoint.

Some people's "price" may be a reward - the enjoyment of issuing disrespectful insults and the like. If one is into that sort of thing, I'm sure lots of fun may lie ahead.

[Apollyonus]

124. Every criticism of Bernie is characterized as a "disrespectful insult"

whilst Bernie can get away with attacking our fine candidates from his privileged white perch.

[David__77]

126. I don't think every criticism is a disrespectful insult.

I do think that the some things said constitute disrespectful insults.

I do think that, should Sanders run as a Democrat, the DNC will treat him the same as other Democratic candidates.

[Apollyonus]

127. So he can download data from other candidates against rules

and steal their info?

[David__77]

128. I'm sure the DNC can handle its affairs and have good information security.

...

[Apollyonus]

130. They had an honor system which was never violated before

until Bernie came on the scene and actively mirrored Hillary's compartment and immediately the attacks started on Hillary's speeches, Clinton foundation etc. smearing Hillary as a corrupt candidate.

I don't believe in coincidences.

[Cha]

91. Like BS' Attacks on our Left Gay, Latino, POC, and Women candidates?

Link to tweet

P.S. BS is Not "great".

[fleabiscuit]

136. I dig the Fact Check...

"Fact Check: The only arguable “opponent” of Sanders who has said anything like this is Stormy Daniels attorney Michael Avenatti, who told Time Magazine that the 2020 Democratic nominee “better be a white male” because “When you have a white male making the arguments, they carry more weight.”'

[lapucelle]

106. "Venomous attacks against him from the Left will come with a price. It could be quite a steep price,

and not one paid by Sanders."

What does that even mean? It almost sounds like a threat.

[Apollyonus]

129. It is a threat

It sounded like "We Bernie supporters will either stay at home or vote for Trump if our messiah is criticized in any way."

If I am wrong, please correct me and tell us what the "price" is.

[fleabiscuit]

138. +1

[Apollyonus]

115. What price will that be?

Bernie supporters will stay home? Vote for Trump? What?

[TexasBushwhacker]

43. It makes the oligarchs happy

when the poor and middle class all fight with each other instead of coming after them with pitchforks. That is what Bernie is talking about. We must UNITE against the 1%.

[fleabiscuit]

139. I highly doubt it will be around him. nt

[Greybnk48]

44. I am eternally grateful to Bernie for pulling the DemocratIC Party

back to the left where we belong. He did that. Bernie Sanders. And it's DEMOCRATIC, not Democrat. FFS.

[David__77]

50. I think he's played a positive role.

I don't think that "Medicare for all" would not be a watchword at this time had he not run for president. It's certainly not he alone who did that - plenty of others also did a lot. I do think his campaign had an important impact in changing the conversation.

The rejection of Reaganite economic orthodoxy won't come easily.

[Cha]

92. Nope.. too Divisive.

[David__77]

97. Yep.

...

[Cha]

99. Too insulting and too Divisive.

Link to tweet

[at140]

104. Brilliant and correct observation!

The Democratic Party is most progressive today, and lot of credit goes to Bernie.

[Apollyonus]

122. It was way more progressive during the JFK, RFK and LBJ eras. n/t

[at140]

157. Sorry, can't agree, it is much more progressive today

than during JFK (tax cut for businesses), LBJ (Vietnam war), RFK (never president).

Don't get me wrong, I loved JFK & RFK. For their era, they were progressive.
Beto, Kamala, Elizabeth etc are much more progressive than old timers.

[Apollyonus]

158. lulz

[fleabiscuit]

140. The credit goes to the resistance not BS. nt

[Apollyonus]

123. Are you saying Obama was a right-win guy?

Oh brother

Bernie took it into an unrealistic fantasy of progresivism ... not anything that could be accomplished.

[mindfulNJ]

152. I think Trump

also had a hand in that.

[Starry Messenger]

37. His viewpoint will tank him again

Putting up with the same agonizingly backwards and loud viewpoint from his fan base will sure fucking suck though

[Evergreen Emerald]

38. He is starting with the same divisive tactics he used in the last election

That did not go well for Democrats. I want to know his purpose, and who he is working for.

[allgood33]

46. You noticed. Elizabeth speaks for me. Her message has the right focus. Warren/Harris 2020b

But i will voter for ANY real Democrat over Trump, that's for sure.

[fleabiscuit]

141. Some tax returns might help us. (Heck, maybe Mueller too.)

[sarcasmo]

40. Going for the white vote only isn't a smart strategy.

[violetpastille]

71. It depends on what the object is.

It peels off a significant number of otherwise Democratic voters so that they don't vote for the Democratic candidate, and quite loudly.

If that were the object, going for the white vote is a proven strategy.

[greatauntoftriplets]

42. Oy.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

45. American institutions should look like America, including the presidency

[MrsCoffee]

48. This is the same guy who said Hillary wasn't qualified to be President.

Every time I see this quote I get more and more pissed off.

He needs to name these many “opponents”.

[lancelyons]

51. I think we should not pick candidates by focusing on Diversity alone. So I agree with Bernie

I think we should not pick candidates by focusing on Diversity alone. So I agree with Bernie.

I dont like some of his other ideas and how his supporters tend to rip at Dems.

However, the Democratic Party should not focus on just Diverse candidates but any and all candidates that can get the job done irregardless of their race, religion, sex, etc, etc.

[MrsCoffee]

58. Who are the people doing what he claims?

He is basically accusing his “many opponents” of some made up bullshit.

[mcar]

65. Please name any candidate who is running on diversity alone

Please name anyone who ever said, vote for me because I'm a woman, Latino, etc.

This is a strawman argument.

[fleabiscuit]

143. That's a very privileged position. nt

[liberalmuse]

52. The headline is inaccurate and meant to provoke.

Please don’t fall for it again. We need to unite and get behind whomever we decide to be our candidate. Let’s unite against Trump and the GOP, not liberals.

[dawg day]

53. He's a 60s socialist.

I was there around then (same school even). They had utterly no interest in understanding the role of gender and racial discrimination on American inequality. I remember even way back then, when the women's movement and the civil rights movement were creating real change for millions of people, the socialists there were angrily arguing with each other about some arcane point in Das Kapital. The Trotskyists against the Maoists against the Leninists! They seldom got anything accomplished at all. (But they had a blazingly rhetoricked newsletter.) I don't think Sanders has changed much, though he's toned down the whole Marxist thing (most people do as they age, LOL). He still doesn't think the diversity of the US makes it somewhat different than the 19th Century European economy and culture.

Just calling it "identity politics" when we're talking about the vast majority of people (and of working class people)-- well. It's a strangely strained understanding of human culture, and shatters rather quickly under pressure.

And at the end is usually the rueful "realization" that only older white men (of the right mindset, of course) can lead, because, you know, they're the only ones "beyond identity politics."

[David__77]

63. There's some truth here.

Sanders strikes me as a bit of a "workerist" or class reductionist. Some of those who are very strongly opposed to him strike me as akin to Maoists. Maoists, after all, said that the principal contradiction in the world wasn't between classes - it was between "imperialism" and the "oppressed peoples." Some Maoists, for instance, argued (and argue) that the US white working class is basically bourgeoisified and functions parasitically relative to the oppressed people, including black people in the US, for instance.

[NurseJackie]

73. Great post! He's out of place and out of time.

[DURHAM D]

75. This.

60s Socialist - Women make coffee not policy.

This kind of shit give birth to the women's movement. Guess maybe we should thank those old wankers.

[betsuni]

94. +1

[jalan48]

109. Bernie graduated from college in 1964 and the women's movement started in the late 60's.

"In 1967, the first Women's Liberation organizations formed in major cities like Berkeley, Boston, Chicago, New York City and Toronto.[101] Quickly organizations spread across both countries."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_liberation_movement


"In 1968, Sanders moved to Vermont because he had been "captivated by rural life." After his arrival there he worked as a carpenter,[30] filmmaker, and writer[45] who created and sold "radical film strips" and other educational materials to schools.[46]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders



I'm not sure what women's movement existed at your college in the early 60's when Bernie would have been in school.

I attended a major West Coast university in the late 60's and remember when the women's movement started on our campus.

[fleabiscuit]

144. There were a lot of people "captivated by rural life." Each had a different reason.

Here's one...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_flight

[RandySF]

78. Translation: Your vote is not legitimate unless you support the old white guy from Vermont

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Sorry, Bernie. I'm not buying it.

[Apollyonus]

113. you mean "isn't legitimate" or "illegitimate" don't you? n/t

[ucrdem]

81. "a progressive agenda"

I think he still hasn't gotten over the fact that President Obama got the PPACA enacted into law.

[JI7]

93. is O'Malley supporting Beto because they are both Irish ?

[cgralow]

96. Over him

Next!

[Cha]

100. I've been "over him" since

2012.

[DFW]

102. Has poor Bernie been forced to watch Fox Noise recently?

"Many" of his opponents??

Just like the usual Fox tactic of claiming that "many people are asking" when no one is asking.

Our eventual nominee doesn't "need" to be anything but smart, broadly appealing, and really good. I haven't heard anything else from serious Democrats.

[betsuni]

105. Like the "people are saying" excuse in the "lesser of two evils" incident.

During an interview he says "I don't want to see the American people voting for the lesser of two evils" and George Stephanopolous asks him if that's how he would describe Hillary Clinton against Donald Trump. "Well if you look -- No, I wouldn't describe it, but that's what the American people are saying."

[at140]

103. I admire Bernie's emphasis on ordinary working people..

Because it is 180 degrees opposite of the corporate favoring republicans. As for diversity, it should be equal opportunity driven instead of quota driven. No Race, gender etc should have privilege over others. Just give every individual equal opportunity to excel & succeed.

[pnwmom]

107. I don't admire him for accusing other progressives of voting strictly based on gender and race,

and not caring about issues.

He accused Hillary voters of that last time, and he won't make any inroads in that group by continuing to push that wrong-headed view.

[at140]

110. There was lot of bad feelings on both sides

During 2016 election cycle. Forget the past and look forward to harmonious 2020.

[pnwmom]

111. I'm not talking about then. He JUST made the statement AGAIN. Why can't he let go of that idea?

It sounds like a backhanded way of attacking Kamala Harris, Julian Castro, Kristin Gillibrand, and Corey Booker.

[at140]

112. Sorry I missed that news item

And I am 100% opposed to attacking ANY democrats, including Tulsi Gabbard,
Just stick to stating why candidate you like is best.

[Cha]

116. BS is trying to marginalize Latino, POC, Women,

LGBT candidates and it's not working.

Link to tweet

[TomCADem]

108. Stop Paying Attention to AOC! I Am The Original Democratic Socialist!

Bernie must be getting annoyed that young latina woman progressive is getting all the attention.

[dgauss]

120. I don't think Sanders is that shallow.

His entire career has been principled and consistent, which is one of the reasons he comes off as an inconvenient gadfly.

One of his main points has been that big changes come about only when masses of people demand that change. Cortez is a politician that can help change the narrative on the very issues that Sanders has been pushing for many years. But you suggest Sanders is some kind of narcissist who is annoyed that someone else is getting some credit for doing exactly what he hoped his fellow politicians would do.

You're just making this up.

[fleabiscuit]

145. LOL; I needed that. nt

[Apollyonus]

125. Bernie's slight window is gone

He is better off staying at home.

Our party is far far more diverse than the world he lives in.

He thinks a fat paycheck will solve all injustices and he is 100% wrong.

[betsuni]

133. He thinks 99% of Americans would back his agenda if only the lobbyists and PACs disappeared.

As one Democrat put it.

[GulfCoast66]

134. What Bullshit! You read this shit on every right wing site.

That the only reason people voted for Obama is because he was black. The exact same fucking thing.

If I were to post what BS said here my post would rightly be hidden.

But who is surprised. Remember, his delegates booed John Lewis at the last Democratic Convention. The John Lewis who has his head bashed in walking across the Edmund Pettus Bridge. Heard about it? They booed him on National TV. While Bernie say there grinning like a man enjoying his revenge. I’ll be damned if I let readers here forget it. Unforgivable.

[allgood33]

142. We haven't forgotten. nt

[SaschaHM]

146. Bernie 2020 is going to be shorter than Bernie 2016.

No one on a debate stage is going to let him pull this crap and his support has waned, not increased since 2016. HRC won 2016 by getting the people who disliked her immensely after the 2008 primary to come back around to supporting her to make up for the ground that she loss with certain bases. The same can't be said for Bernie.

[Apollyonus]

147. Don't count Bernie out

He will promise free houses to everyone, free PhDs, decent wages for anyone who wants to just stay home and play video games. He will come up with something. Of course, none of it will have any chance of being enacted into law but he will again have throngs of people who want those type of benefits.

But worse, he will smear and malign all the wonderful Democratic candidates in the process.

It almost feels like his Tad Devine's mission from Putin is "win or let Trump win."

[Squinch]

149. There's that uncle at the Thanksgiving table that says stuff, and everyone looks at each other

with that "WTF??" look.

For some reason, I just thought about that guy.

[Cha]

154. kick

[JCanete]

156. heh...did you consider that sentance? "it is a false dichotomy that if you raise the living

standards of some, all will benefit equally..." Of course if you raise it for some not all will benefit equally. Who is suggesting we raise it for some? We're attempting to raise the entire baseline. And who is saying that's all it takes? You are killing these strawmen....go easy on them. They're made of straw man...