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Atticus

(15,124 posts)
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 02:31 PM Jan 2019

I am a liberal Democrat. The first bumper sticker I put on my car during the last presidential

primary was "Bernie!" I did not dislike Hillary Clinton, but several of Sanders' positions were representative of what I thought our party should be advocating but had not said out loud in quite a while. I supported Bernie, but I kept listening to all the candidates; ours and theirs.

Gradually, I came to realize that, while Republican presidential candidates are always pretty disgusting, this Trump guy was an out and out racist maniac and an existential threat to me, my family and my country. I also started to assess those seeking our nomination by judging them not just on the basis of what they SAID they wanted to do, but also on the basis of what could they deliver. HOPES are wonderful, but laying out reasonable and understandable PLANS is the next step for someone seeking our highest office.

Eventually, I scraped off the Bernie sticker and replaced it with several of Hillary's and I not only contributed money to her campaign, I worked my butt off in a deep red area
to try to get her elected. I had decided that she was the real deal, the whole package and our best bet to protect us from the insane clown and his posse.

It did not bother me at all that Barack Obama was black or that Hillary Clinton was a woman. They were "quality" AND--- they were DEMOCRATS.

I will again listen and judge and possibly change my mind once or twice. But, I will not consider "Democrats of convenience" or those whose announced mission is to "straighten out" the Democratic Party. I will support our nominee without limitations, even if one or two would embarrass me.

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I am a liberal Democrat. The first bumper sticker I put on my car during the last presidential (Original Post) Atticus Jan 2019 OP
Democratic party members only ! stonecutter357 Jan 2019 #1
? Is this an alert? Do we need to provide our party ID cards? erronis Jan 2019 #2
I believe stonecutter's remark leftieNanner Jan 2019 #3
Seems like a reminder to senator Bernard Sanders VT (I) MyNameGoesHere Jan 2019 #15
Post removed Post removed Jan 2019 #4
I am with you, mostly randr Jan 2019 #5
+1 Power 2 the People Jan 2019 #9
I was a delegate for Bernie as well. PatrickforO Jan 2019 #18
Agreed Timewas Jan 2019 #23
So would the dirt under them. n/t rzemanfl Jan 2019 #26
Actually Timewas Jan 2019 #45
Hopes vs reality; that's always been the kicker for me. procon Jan 2019 #6
I loved those plans! Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2019 #28
Every time I see Bernie in front of a camera, I am donating another 27.00 to Kamala Harris leftofcool Jan 2019 #7
you could buy Bezos? Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2019 #29
Meh watoos Jan 2019 #8
Me too ;-) BamaRefugee Jan 2019 #11
I voted for McGovern in my first presidential election after reaching voting age. Nitram Jan 2019 #13
+100 Kurt V. Jan 2019 #27
Me too. Happiest presidential vote of my life. shanny Jan 2019 #32
Loved McGovern Dave in VA Jan 2019 #51
I'm sure Bernie won't have a chance, at least on DU, so nothing to worry about here elmac Jan 2019 #10
BS does nothing to help himself with quotes Cha Jan 2019 #16
I HOPE he will be a formidable foe on the campaign trail - helping another full-on Dem. calimary Jan 2019 #20
The DU is just about the *ONLY* place Bernie stands a chance... Steven Maurer Jan 2019 #21
You are a real liberal Democrat. Thanks for the post. Nitram Jan 2019 #12
I voted for Bernie in the primary, and Hillary in the general election. In 2020, PBass Jan 2019 #14
My first move in the '16 cycle was to buy a black Bernie shirt; it's now an embarrassing artifact. NBachers Jan 2019 #17
I wouldn't worry about not supporting the Dem nominee NastyRiffraff Jan 2019 #35
Never understood the Bernie bashing Evolve Dammit Jan 2019 #19
Because he damaged her by staying in to long Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #22
That... pretty much covers everything, doesn't it? NurseJackie Jan 2019 #30
+10000 NT Adrahil Jan 2019 #42
But he held off that support til the end of the convention! calimary Jan 2019 #24
Clinton, Sanders promote tuition-free college in joint NH appearance oberliner Jan 2019 #38
September 28, long after the convention. I think that was his second appearance (can't be sure) George II Jan 2019 #48
The end of September. (nt) ehrnst Jan 2019 #52
No he didn't. Not really. Not in any meaningful way. NurseJackie Jan 2019 #25
Bernie Sanders to step up campaign schedule for Hillary Clinton (Sept 30 2016) oberliner Jan 2019 #37
"Sanders spent most of August writing a book..." NurseJackie Jan 2019 #39
Tulsi's gonna be so jealous. BannonsLiver Jan 2019 #46
Just five weeks before the election he decided to "step up" his campaign? Yes, he talked about... George II Jan 2019 #44
You could host Mythbusters! NurseJackie Jan 2019 #47
His first campaign appearance was more than a month after the convention.... George II Jan 2019 #31
Bernie Sanders Campaigns for Hillary Clinton, Blasts Trump as 'Pathological Liar' oberliner Jan 2019 #40
That's what I said, his first appearance was on Sept. 5 (Washington Post article I provided)... George II Jan 2019 #41
Two months. nt sheshe2 Jan 2019 #50
Two fucking months! NurseJackie Jan 2019 #53
The announced field is strong. I am leaning toward Warren, but if Klobuchar jumps in, I go with her Blue_true Jan 2019 #33
Ditto ananda Jan 2019 #34
Even with all his warts, come down to it...Bernie is still one of the good guys. Let's not forget UniteFightBack Jan 2019 #36
Thank you, Atticus. n/t pnwmom Jan 2019 #43
You are very welcome. nt Atticus Jan 2019 #49

erronis

(15,303 posts)
2. ? Is this an alert? Do we need to provide our party ID cards?
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 03:33 PM
Jan 2019

I don't think you're trolling given your record (as far as I remember) so I must be misunderstanding your comment.

 

MyNameGoesHere

(7,638 posts)
15. Seems like a reminder to senator Bernard Sanders VT (I)
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 04:59 PM
Jan 2019

He isn't a Democrat and isn't supported under current rules. Of course we could get the old switcheroo again.

Response to Atticus (Original post)

randr

(12,412 posts)
5. I am with you, mostly
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 03:52 PM
Jan 2019

I campaigned and was a delegate for Bernie and proudly cheered as my State chose him as our candidate. I went through and continue to experience the agony we all have shared from that point on to this day.
I most important lesson I have learned during this time, in this so far long life, is to remember I AM A DEMOCRAT FIRST. We have ideals and values that hold us together and that we are duty bound to uphold.
If Bernie wants to make a stand with us, I cheer him on. Until then I have a team that has some ass to kick and I am staying with them.

PatrickforO

(14,577 posts)
18. I was a delegate for Bernie as well.
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 05:04 PM
Jan 2019

Or at least I spoke for him in the caucus and he carried my precinct.

But you know, the stakes are going to be really high for 2020. Really high. We've GOT to win.

So, to use an old cliche, if the Democrats run a yellow dog, that dog will have my vote.

Yeah, I'll fight in the primary for who I think best (and against who I think worst), but when the dust settles, I'm going to give the person we run every bit of support I possibly can, all the way to election day.

Because THIS YELLOW LAB would be a better president than ANY Republican!

procon

(15,805 posts)
6. Hopes vs reality; that's always been the kicker for me.
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 04:01 PM
Jan 2019

HRC had written, in depth plans and policies for everything. She knew it all, she understood everything, and was committed to It.

It was boring stuff for most voters, but that is what makes a strong foundation where everyone is working on the same goals from the same playbook to make an effective government that works seamlessly.

The same could not be said of Trump. From the beginning he was nothing but an empty suit, a brash, self-serving stage act that offered entertaining zingers and bumperstick slogans in place of detailed policies and plans.

Trump promised to deliver whatever his rabid fans asked for. Lock her up, sure, no problemo. Build a wall and send the bill to Mexico, why not? Dis our longtime allies abroad and cozy up to tyrants, dictators and despotic kings, sound good. Republicans hoped that Trump was a winner, but they got exactly what they signed up for, a loudmouthed loser.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,353 posts)
28. I loved those plans!
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 06:43 PM
Jan 2019

Just ate 'em up. Everything I was for, HRC had a plan to cover it, and lots and lots of stuff I hadn't even thought about.

Nitram

(22,822 posts)
13. I voted for McGovern in my first presidential election after reaching voting age.
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 04:52 PM
Jan 2019

And I'm proud of it. I also voted for Hillary.

Dave in VA

(2,037 posts)
51. Loved McGovern
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 11:20 PM
Jan 2019

Worked my ass off for him. Missed my fall semester in '72 in order to work for his campaign 24/7.

Great memories!

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
10. I'm sure Bernie won't have a chance, at least on DU, so nothing to worry about here
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 04:48 PM
Jan 2019

but I'm guessing he will be a formidable foe on the campaign trail. No matter how many anti Bernie posts pop up here, Bernie the spoiler posts, whatever, It really does nothing to help the Democratic party, rehashing, opening old wounds. I did remember that used to be a no no here but guess times have changed. I'm personally not planning on voting for anyone outside the Democratic party during the primaries. there are just too many great candidates that have or will commit but will vote for whom ever gets to the GE against the fascists.

Cha

(297,322 posts)
16. BS does nothing to help himself with quotes
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 05:00 PM
Jan 2019

like these..

Bernie: ‘My Opponents’ Want Black, White, Gay, Latino or Women Candidates ‘Regardless of What They Stand For’

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11722251

calimary

(81,322 posts)
20. I HOPE he will be a formidable foe on the campaign trail - helping another full-on Dem.
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 05:38 PM
Jan 2019

I never felt like he did, even after Hillary clinched the nomination long before the actual convention. She certainly didn’t hold out in defiance after Obama clinched in June with the nominating convention at the end of summer. And I couldn’t help but see his efforts on her behalf after that, instead of for himself, as half-hearted at best.

It always felt, to me, as though he served far more effectively as a reason for Democrats and others NOT to unite around the nominee, but instead, provided a rationale for those who didn’t want to go along with the majority. If one just HAD TO be a refusenik, for whatever reason (and mind you, a lot of that came from BELIEVING the absolute BUNK that Russian trolls were spreading about her to damage her chances), one had an “excuse” to do so.

We have to stay united! HAVE TO! Look what just happened when we did! Not only yesterday, but back in November, too.

Steven Maurer

(466 posts)
21. The DU is just about the *ONLY* place Bernie stands a chance...
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 05:43 PM
Jan 2019

Is ANY other candidate, Republican or Democrat, said this:

“I think you know there are a lot of white folks out there who are not necessarily racist who felt uncomfortable for the first time in their lives about whether or not they wanted to vote for an African-American.”

..they would rightly be derided as trying to excuse and suck up to racists. Can you imagine the outcry among the Bernie fan-base if Hillary had said anything remotely like that?

It's been known since 2015 that Sanders has been willing to throw women and racial minority issues under the bus in exchange for going back to the halcyon days of 1950s-style syndicalism - where all white American males regardless of education level were guaranteed a good paying job by joining (largely racist black-excluding) unions. But as the racism and sexism in his campaign has revealed, he simply can't bring the party together. For good reason.

PBass

(1,537 posts)
14. I voted for Bernie in the primary, and Hillary in the general election. In 2020,
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 04:54 PM
Jan 2019

I'll vote a straight Democratic ticket (again), even if the Democrats nominate Stinky Old Gymshoe for president.

Democratic politicians can disappoint, while Republican politicians are flat-out a-holes. The choice is stark. Sitting this one out, or making a protest vote is no longer an option.

NBachers

(17,122 posts)
17. My first move in the '16 cycle was to buy a black Bernie shirt; it's now an embarrassing artifact.
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 05:00 PM
Jan 2019

I saw his stated goals, principles, and targets as most closely aligned with my own. But as time went on, and I saw his campaign and his followers veering into the Larouche lane, I caught a healthy dose of reality and repudiated them all. I became an Obama loyalist and a Hillary supporter. I made myself a target for sneering derision and condemnation around here to declare myself as such.

Everything I've seen since then, from the horrible treatment by the hard-core Sanders cult toward Hillary, to the die-hard leftovers, has convinced me I made the right move.

Sorry, never voting for Bernie. I know the stock boilerplate rebuke is to shriek "BBBUT THAT MEANS YOU WON'T SUPPORT THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE IF IT'S BBBERNIE!!1!!!7!" Yes, yes, OK, call me a traitor to the Democrats, if that makes you feel better.

Sorry, bernbots, not this time.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
35. I wouldn't worry about not supporting the Dem nominee
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 07:59 PM
Jan 2019

And yes, you'll get that. All you have to say is, "No worries, he doesn't stand a chance of being the nominee." There are too many strong DEMOCRATS who have or will declare who will collectively clean his clock.

BTW, that also goes for Tulsi Gabbard.

Evolve Dammit

(16,743 posts)
19. Never understood the Bernie bashing
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 05:23 PM
Jan 2019

He campaigned FOR Hillary after she won the nomination. He stated, at the rally I attended in Portland, Maine: "On her worst day, Secretary Clinton is head and shoulders above Any of the Republicans." He didn't have to do this. He really wanted to help her campaign when she was the nominee.

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
22. Because he damaged her by staying in to long
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 05:44 PM
Jan 2019

and his endorsement was lackluster at best. Then after over a year of using the Democratic Party’s infrastructure and resources, he refused to join the party as he promised he would.

calimary

(81,322 posts)
24. But he held off that support til the end of the convention!
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 05:49 PM
Jan 2019

The time to go all in and support her and be a symbol of reunification was when the last primary vote in June put her decisively, and legitimately over the top. Instead he sat out and a critical mass of his holdouts did not switch their support to Hillary. Refused to. Because whatever.

And please remember that many of their reasons for hating Hillary, or not trusting her, or whatever-the-hell the excuse was, came from the rumor mill and made-up conspiracy machinery online, much if not all of it Russian-generated. Which then means they, too, were fooled, played, used, and royally HAD.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
38. Clinton, Sanders promote tuition-free college in joint NH appearance
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 08:11 PM
Jan 2019

Last edited Sat Jan 26, 2019, 09:09 PM - Edit history (1)

Hillary Clinton, campaigning here Wednesday with Sen. Bernie Sanders, worked to sway millennial voters by promoting a plan to make public college tuition-free for working families.

In a University of New Hampshire gym packed with students, Clinton sought to connect with those facing sometimes insurmountable college debt. Clinton said that when she graduated from college herself, she repaid her loans as a percentage of her income, which allowed her to take a low-paying public service job with the Children’s Defense Fund.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/09/28/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-rally-shows-new-hampshires-imporance/91213232/

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
25. No he didn't. Not really. Not in any meaningful way.
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 06:00 PM
Jan 2019

Now that he's running again, these easily debunked myths are being trotted-out to show what a "good Democrat" he is and how he's a true "team player" and those stories are simply not true. He may be running again, but nothing else has changed. His support of the Democratic party is conditional and reluctant and fleeting. Running again as a Democrat is just a means to an ends.

He campaigned FOR Hillary after she won the nomination.
No he didn't. Not really. Not in any meaningful way. Even when Hillary describes it, she made it clear that she felt he was just phoning-it-in.

And, OMG, honestly... that "on her worst day" line was really hamfisted and awkward. It sounds like an insincere backhanded compliment than anything else.

Fact of the matter is that after the convention, he got a very late start in campaigning for her. He didn't do it very often. There was even a moment where he came right out and abdicated by explaining that it wasn't HIS job to help convince his supporters to support Hillary. Honestly, the whole thing was very laissez-faire and very que será será. It was culminated with Jane's election eve (election day?) comment that it didn't matter WHO one votes for, as long as they vote. (Nice team spirit, eh?)

Never understood the Bernie bashing
Nobody is bashing Bernie. All I'm saying is that there's this fiction about how much he helped and that he did everything he could because of a couple of half-hearted campaign stops (where he spoke very little about Hillary) and because of a couple of awkward/forced "off-hand" compliments tossed in her general direction.

Here's a short interview with Hillary where she describes it very well.

Clinton: "I know what it's like to win, and I know what it's like to lose. And when I lost to Barack Obama, I immediately turned around, I endorsed him, I worked for him. I convinced my supporters to vote for him. I didn't get the same respect from my primary opponent. And a lot of his supporters continued to harass and, you know, really go after my supporters all the time."

"And that feeds-in, I think, to the whole sexism and misogyny part of this campaign. I had large groups of supporters who had to be private because if they lifted their head up online, if they were, you know, responding on a YouTube comment chain, or on Twitter to something, they would just attack! And the attacks were so sexist about "well you're supporting a woman cause you're a woman," and they just never really got to the facts."



WELCOME TO DU!
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
37. Bernie Sanders to step up campaign schedule for Hillary Clinton (Sept 30 2016)
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 08:09 PM
Jan 2019
The Vermont independent will campaign for Hillary Clinton in the battleground states of Iowa and Minnesota on Monday and Tuesday, and appearances elsewhere are in the works.

“He’s talking about traveling all over the country to help Secretary Clinton," Sanders spokesman Michael Briggs said Friday, adding that Sanders also will help other candidates and discuss ballot issues he cares about.

Sanders spent most of August writing a book but has since campaigned for Clinton in Ohio (once) and New Hampshire (twice). An event Wednesday in the Granite State was the first joint appearance for Sanders and Clinton since he endorsed her in July. The event aimed to win more support for Clinton from millennials who supported Sanders in the primaries. Clinton is underperforming among young adults, a significant percentage of whom have turned to third-party candidates.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/09/30/bernie-sanders-step-up-campaign-schedule-hillary-clinton/91342564/

George II

(67,782 posts)
44. Just five weeks before the election he decided to "step up" his campaign? Yes, he talked about...
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 08:35 PM
Jan 2019

..."traveling all over the country", but that really never materialized. I think he made about three appearances in October.

George II

(67,782 posts)
31. His first campaign appearance was more than a month after the convention....
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 06:58 PM
Jan 2019

...On the other hand, Hillary Clinton was on the campaign trail just days after the convention.

Big difference.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
40. Bernie Sanders Campaigns for Hillary Clinton, Blasts Trump as 'Pathological Liar'
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 08:13 PM
Jan 2019
After almost two months since he endorsed Hillary Clinton in New Hampshire, Bernie Sanders came back to the Granite State today in what was his first solo campaign event for the Democratic nominee.

In Lebanon, NH, this afternoon, standing between two “Stronger Together” signs, Sanders praised Clinton’s policies and positions, touting the former secretary of state as the “superior candidate.” He then turned to Donald Trump, slamming the Republican nominee as a “pathological liar” with a campaign based upon “bigotry.”

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-campaigns-hillary-clinton-blasting-trump-pathological/story?id=41870968

George II

(67,782 posts)
41. That's what I said, his first appearance was on Sept. 5 (Washington Post article I provided)...
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 08:29 PM
Jan 2019

...which is more than a month after the convention, which ended on July 28.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
53. Two fucking months!
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 09:48 AM
Jan 2019

Such a long delay really doesn't indicate much "enthusiasm".

Hillary was right when she suggested that his support of her during the run-up to the General Election was perfunctory.

 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
36. Even with all his warts, come down to it...Bernie is still one of the good guys. Let's not forget
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 08:07 PM
Jan 2019

that. May not like always what he does, his style or what he says...but ultimately he is on the 'right side'.

Now with that being said. I didn't vote for him before and I can't foresee me voting for him in the future.
I'm glad I was not a member of DU during the primary.

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