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Tennessee state Rep. Antonio Parkinson (D) is gaining national headlines after he proposed a measure to enforce a dress code on all parents in the state when visiting public schools.
The Tennessee Democrat told TODAY in an interview published on Friday that he realized it was time for parents to adhere to a set of rules after hearing a number of horror stories from educators and constituents about how parents dress and behaved when visiting the states public schools.
"People wearing next to nothing. People wearing shirts or tattoos with expletives. People coming onto a school campus and cursing the principal or the teacher out. These things happen regularly," Parkinson said.
A principal I talked to told me a lady came into the office with her sleepwear on with some of her body parts hanging out. You got children coming down the hall in a line and they can possibly see this, he added.
Parkinson told the news publication that in addition to the dress code aspect of the bill, the measure he is pushing would also ask public school districts across Tennessee to create their own "codes of conduct" for adults when visiting public schools.
"Whether youre there to work, whether youre a teacher, a parent, a vendor, a visitor, a speaker anyone who steps on a school campus should be held to a basic minimum expectation of conduct and behavior, he told the outlet. That includes how one dresses.
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/427123-lawmaker-proposes-dress-code-for-parents-when-dropping-off-children-at
pecosbob
(7,541 posts)Honey Boo Boo version
hlthe2b
(102,292 posts)too late to put that genie back in the bottle.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)hlthe2b
(102,292 posts)Do you disagree that parents should be fully clothed to step into a school?
Initech
(100,080 posts)USA! USA! USA!
Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)Last year we had a mother who came in wearing what could be charitably described as half size Daisy Dukes and a top that left NOTHING to the imagination. Her ass cheeks were literally hanging out.
That is not appropriate attire for a school.
And I've lost count on the number of parents, who couldn't believe that their little prince or princess could ever be at fault for their shit grades, launching into a cuss filled tirade that would make Gordon Ramsay blush.
I applaud this effort. It's not like the Rep is asking parents to come in wearing burkas or to give groveling deference to teachers/admin.
Squinch
(50,955 posts)It WAS a hot day, but come on.
Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)Ohiogal
(32,005 posts)once had a parent come to school and come to his classroom drunk as a skunk. Her daughter was in his class - she apologized to him for her mothers behavior. So sad.
KentuckyWoman
(6,685 posts)I feel for school teachers and admins now a days. Between a rock and hard place. ....
monmouth4
(9,708 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,349 posts)Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)That's ridiculous
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,349 posts)It seems to me that how we dress is an expression similar to speech. I have not seen the exact wording of the proposed law. Who decides what's acceptable? Is a law the best way to accomplish this? Is the offense great enough to impose on every citizen's right to free speech?
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)You realize bullshit like that is why we get mocked, right?
Don't walk into a school with your dick hanging out, profanity laden shirts, or in unsanitary condition.
It's not a damned babysitting agency. You couldn't walk into a grocery store or restaurant barefoot. Teachers deserve a but of respect. They have a right not to be yelled and cursed at.
How old are you?
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,349 posts)My wife is a retired school teacher, my son teaches, I have nieces and nephews who are teachers.
Communities impose etiquette better than courts, lawyers, police and judges.
This is a matter of manners, not law.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)NOT that this should be handled at the local level with local jurisdiction.
I was expecting the"I pay taxes" routine and was ready to tell you your taxes support the military too. Go try to walk beyond the red stripe on a military flight line and see how far that argument gets you.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,349 posts)Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)Just like it is when students play that card.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,349 posts)Students don't have the same rights as adults. Schools act in loco parentis over students and can require attire and behavior that does not deprive other students of education. Parents are visitors to the school, not the schools wards.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)Eom.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,349 posts)I must be dense as I do not see how that applies to anything we've been discussing.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/20/1232g
BTW, I mentioned "bill" in a post above, but I have not seen whatever the lawmaker is proposing. If it actually exists already and you have a link to it, I would appreciate seeing that.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)It clealrlu states what rights a parent does or does not have. Remember, your ascertaition is that schools cannot legally limit a parents "free speech" on their property.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,349 posts)Some "guidance" for students: Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act, and the actual code: 20 U.S. Code Section 1232g
(Either one can give you a headache trying to read it).
School personnel and students should not have to put up with, and should be protected from, abusive or threatening language or behavior, but the lawmaker seems more concerned with the appearance of parents.
BannonsLiver
(16,396 posts)One of my favorite things to do when I travel abroad is to play spot the Americans.
Its a riot. Every time.
Cold War Spook
(1,279 posts)I went for jury duty in Fl. I wore a suit. People just kept staring at me.
kcr
(15,317 posts)Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)By all means, go do that on your tax payer funded military installation and see where it gets you.
Mariana
(14,858 posts)Amazingly enough, Tennessee also already prohibits walking around in public places with certain "body parts" exposed. Whoever would have guessed?
I hope someone will inform State Rep. Parkinson about these statutes. I'm sure he will be greatly relieved to find out these acts are already illegal.
Miigwech
(3,741 posts)Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)If mom and dad choose to cuss like a sailor or dress like a Bronx hooker, they're welcome to do that elsewhere, not when they're in a place full of kids for a noon parent-teacher conference.
Liberty Belle
(9,535 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,357 posts)Beartracks
(12,816 posts)bitterross
(4,066 posts)There are far too many adults who don't know how to act like adults. It is unfortunate that they are raising kids to be just like them.
RockRaven
(14,972 posts)when it comes to setting examples for kids.
Americans are way too hung up on nudity. It's a human body. Everyone's got one, in some fashion or another. Get over it.
VMA131Marine
(4,139 posts)It leaves nowhere to hide the weapon!
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)Sanity Claws
(21,849 posts)but a dress code to show up at a school where your child is? That sounds totally unenforceable and I think a lawmaker could spend his time better.
The principal of the school is could create something like Guidelines for Dressing and perhaps make it applicable to teacher and students, as well.
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,586 posts)1. The fact that so many veterans are homeless.
2. The fact that one in five children go to bed hungry.
3. The anti-vaccine movement's effect on public health.
4. Global warming.
5. Clean water.
6. Better schools, more pay for teachers, smaller class sizes.
7. Income inequality.
8. Lack of universal health care.
9. Review of effectiveness of mandatory prison sentences.
10. Programs to help people get off drugs.
And on, and on. And yet, despite all these real world problems, this idiot thinks the most important thing the Tennessee legislature should concern itself with is what parents are wearing when they drop their kids off at school? Really?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)LawnKorn
(1,137 posts)What if they never get out of the car?
DavidDvorkin
(19,479 posts)MyOwnPeace
(16,927 posts)to discuss their child's learning problems. Dad was wearing a baseball cap that said,
"Sex is like a snowstorm - you never know how many inches you're gonna' get!"
Tough to have a serious discussion facing that.............
Petosky Stone
(52 posts)Please.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Ilsa
(61,695 posts)respect it as adults. They emotionally regress when thinking about having to set foot on school property.
That's one possibility.
at140
(6,110 posts)Where we are packed together like sardines and are forced to smell every one around you for several hours.
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lunatica
(53,410 posts)On the other hand the students did have dress codes. Girls couldnt wear pants or anything that could be described as sexy. Boys had to have short haircuts, shirts and pants.
Then the 60s came along and all that was tossed out the window!
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,357 posts)DavidDvorkin
(19,479 posts)This is absurd.
Nay
(12,051 posts)Democrats elected in TN, is basically a Republican. So the dress code stuff is basic for them.
IIRC, most communities have laws against public nudity (the mom with no blouse) and public cursing (cursing teachers, etc.) so there are already laws against that stuff. Whether the schools want to get all involved with calling the cops or involving the school cop would be up to them. Teachers and principals will usually consider the feelings of the student(s) involved before getting cops in on it. Nothing like having the cops haul off your parents in front of your classmates . . .
I've never been very interested in clothing/fashion/styles, not even as a HS kid, but the more I see what total slobs Americans are, the more I tend to dress more nicely for going out in public. That's me, always going against the grain! The turning point for me was the last funeral I attended. Man. I live in a red area in a purple state, and the funeral was held at a primitive Baptist Church. So, one would expect some decorum, no?
No. No. People showed up in flip flops, short-shorts, tank tops and T-shirts with rude sayings, threadbare jeans, etc. It was an eye-opener. Now, I don't expect anyone to wear a black suit to a funeral any more, but come on, what about a basic shirt and pants in a muted color? A simple plain dress? Those simple items are available at Goodwill for $5. I would wager that every one of those folks had those items in their closet, but they chose to act as if they were heading to the beach.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,357 posts)Nay
(12,051 posts)If you are objecting to the "primitive" in front of the "Baptist Church," that is a designation that the church calls itself -- it's not some pejorative I call it out of 'classism.' It's a very conservative Christian Baptist denomination that has many churches in the South.
Did I give the impression that these people were all poor? They weren't. Most were solidly middle class, including my co-worker, the woman who died. My comment on Goodwill came out of my own shopping habits and knowledge -- and I'm middle class, just like they were. My point was: if you don't wear business casual clothing generally, a respectful outfit is available at Goodwill for nothing. But, as I said, these people were mostly middle class, probably had such an outfit in their closets, but did not think it was necessary to change out of tank tops and shorts to attend a funeral. I don't attend funerals often, so I was pretty amazed at the change.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,357 posts)Nay
(12,051 posts)myself clearer.
LiberalFighter
(50,945 posts)1) If the parent is just dropping or picking up the student outside. Leave it alone. As long as the parent stays in the car.
2) If it involves going into the school, the school should just have a dress code and enforce it.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)LiberalFighter
(50,945 posts)They have dress codes for students w/o a law.
Mariana
(14,858 posts)are already illegal in Tennessee.
dameatball
(7,398 posts)a parent entering a school for a different reason. When I drop off or pick up my grandsons they are all held back until the vehicle gets there and a school employee brings them to the car. But then, I don't live in TN anymore.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)people, etc.
I wonder what the science is on health and nudity. I wonder if any kind of disease is spread easier if we were all naked, for instance.
I recently saw the picture of the Super Bowl debacle, the breast, and I am ashamed i live in the country that even noticed that let alone went insane over it
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oberliner
(58,724 posts)GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Cause I assume he would support my suggestion. Although I still disagree with his bill.
Thanks for the correction.
Have a nice evening.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)jberryhill
(62,444 posts)keithbvadu2
(36,827 posts)They don't have indecent exposure laws?
Mariana
(14,858 posts)which prohibits people from yelling and cursing in public places like, you know, a school.
Aristus
(66,386 posts)when dropping off the young'uns with the school marm!
phylny
(8,380 posts)visit and the mother answered the door in a negligee. The TOP half of the negligee. Nothing on her bottom half. Another told a story about a man answering in his underwear. It never ceases to amaze me how some people choose to act.
sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)Sears driving school was the end result. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)This one probably won't pass, either.
BannonsLiver
(16,396 posts)It is legislation proposed by a black democrat in one of the most far right legislatures in the country. Even if the GOP legislators agreed with it, wish they had thought of it themselves etc. they would be duty bound to oppose it.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,414 posts)Dress codes at Wal-Mart?
Nay
(12,051 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,357 posts)Nay
(12,051 posts)fescuerescue
(4,448 posts)Dress code tickets? Dress code jail.
Nah. We are already way way over policed.
For better or worse, they kids are exposed to these same adults pretty much in every other facet of life - including the home.