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RandySF

(58,899 posts)
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 07:59 PM Jan 2019

Lawmaker proposes dress code for parents when dropping off children at schools

Tennessee state Rep. Antonio Parkinson (D) is gaining national headlines after he proposed a measure to enforce a dress code on all parents in the state when visiting public schools.

The Tennessee Democrat told TODAY in an interview published on Friday that he realized it was time for parents to adhere to a set of rules after hearing a number of “horror stories” from educators and constituents about how parents dress and behaved when visiting the state’s public schools.

"People wearing next to nothing. People wearing shirts or tattoos with expletives. People coming onto a school campus and cursing the principal or the teacher out. These things happen regularly," Parkinson said.

“A principal I talked to told me a lady came into the office with her sleepwear on with some of her body parts hanging out. You got children coming down the hall in a line and they can possibly see this,” he added.

Parkinson told the news publication that in addition to the dress code aspect of the bill, the measure he is pushing would also ask public school districts across Tennessee to create their own "codes of conduct" for adults when visiting public schools.

"Whether you’re there to work, whether you’re a teacher, a parent, a vendor, a visitor, a speaker — anyone who steps on a school campus should be held to a basic minimum expectation of conduct and behavior,” he told the outlet. “That includes how one dresses.”


https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/427123-lawmaker-proposes-dress-code-for-parents-when-dropping-off-children-at

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Lawmaker proposes dress code for parents when dropping off children at schools (Original Post) RandySF Jan 2019 OP
Welcome to 'Murika' pecosbob Jan 2019 #1
LOL... that will happen... Face it, lawmaker, Americans are basically slobs. hlthe2b Jan 2019 #2
I doubt you and I would get along. nt USALiberal Jan 2019 #18
Why? hlthe2b Jan 2019 #41
Yup! We're the fattest, laziest, slobbiest country on the planet and damn proud of it! Initech Jan 2019 #56
As someone who works in education, I totally agree Jake Stern Jan 2019 #3
We once had a mother come to a school with no shirt on. Just buck naked from the waist up. Squinch Jan 2019 #5
Never had a parent buck naked but did have one come in to a conference in a bikini top. Jake Stern Jan 2019 #8
My husband Ohiogal Jan 2019 #31
Even to read your post is heartbreaking KentuckyWoman Jan 2019 #61
I agree with it also. I've seen some awful sites when dropping daughter off back in the day, etc. monmouth4 Jan 2019 #46
damn the 1st Amendment, full dictator ahead! Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2019 #4
Seriously? Drahthaardogs Jan 2019 #21
too cryptic, maybe? Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2019 #23
Gibberish Drahthaardogs Jan 2019 #30
that's a community thing Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2019 #33
No. Your statement that imposing regulations infringes on free speech Drahthaardogs Jan 2019 #35
I would expect the first challenge to be based on free speech Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2019 #37
And it would be summarily squelched Drahthaardogs Jan 2019 #38
the bill mentions adults Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2019 #40
Suggest you read FERPA Drahthaardogs Jan 2019 #42
that's a lot of reading Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2019 #45
How would it not apply? Drahthaardogs Jan 2019 #47
FERPA deals with rights of access to records Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2019 #51
Americans are really shitty at manners too. BannonsLiver Jan 2019 #78
I am 75 and originally from Boston. Cold War Spook Jan 2019 #80
Sorry. You've got it backwards. Laws proposing dress codes for parents are mock worthy n/t kcr Jan 2019 #43
Like I said Drahthaardogs Jan 2019 #58
Isn't cursing and yelling at people in a public place Mariana Jan 2019 #52
Seen it before Miigwech Jan 2019 #6
So people are hypocrites for wanting mom and dad to act respectably when visiting a school? Jake Stern Jan 2019 #12
Love that song - great message about hypocricy by small town busybodies. Liberty Belle Jan 2019 #16
But how wonderful that this is the most pressing issue his state has to deal with! WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2019 #7
Some Americans have no class. Or, apparently, self respect. Or respect for others, for that matter. Beartracks Jan 2019 #9
Sadly, he's correct on this issue. bitterross Jan 2019 #10
I'm more bothered by shirts with expletives/cursing out principals than skimpy clothing/nudity RockRaven Jan 2019 #11
I'm in favour of total nudity at school VMA131Marine Jan 2019 #13
... Scurrilous Jan 2019 #22
I have no doubts that some parents are slobs Sanity Claws Jan 2019 #14
Let's consider other things he could be concerned with: LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jan 2019 #15
He is very much involved in many of those issues oberliner Jan 2019 #27
"anyone who steps on a school campus ... " LawnKorn Jan 2019 #17
And for his next windmill... DavidDvorkin Jan 2019 #19
Called in parents one time........ MyOwnPeace Jan 2019 #20
And please throw in a Walmart-clause. Petosky Stone Jan 2019 #24
What is a Walmart Clause? nt Blue_true Jan 2019 #59
People who hated school as children don't Ilsa Jan 2019 #25
I support dress code for airline travel at140 Jan 2019 #26
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2019 #28
I'm so old that I remember when this wasn't necessary lunatica Jan 2019 #29
And people wonder where Democrats get their nanny state stereotype. WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2019 #32
Indeed DavidDvorkin Jan 2019 #34
As a former resident of Tennessee, I can assure you that this 'Democrat,' like many Nay Jan 2019 #66
I was talking about the comments on this thread. The classism isn't a good look either. WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2019 #69
Classism? How was I classist? Nay Jan 2019 #71
Easy, tiger. I was talking about the thread as a whole. WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2019 #73
No problem, but you were replying to me individually. I thought I should make Nay Jan 2019 #75
Why create a law for this? LiberalFighter Jan 2019 #36
The bill allows each school district to create their own policies oberliner Jan 2019 #49
They should be able to do that without a law. LiberalFighter Jan 2019 #54
Most of the things he's complaining about Mariana Jan 2019 #53
Right. The OP is slightly misleading. There is a difference between a parent sitting in a car and dameatball Jan 2019 #77
The main reason Americans are against nudity is prudish thought process, childish Eliot Rosewater Jan 2019 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author GulfCoast66 Jan 2019 #44
The Rep. proposing this bill is an African-American Democrat oberliner Jan 2019 #48
Then I will delete my post. With apologies. GulfCoast66 Jan 2019 #50
Or how they behave picking them up... jberryhill Jan 2019 #55
"Do you have a kiss for Dad-dy?" smirkymonkey Jan 2019 #60
So that's how it is jberryhill Jan 2019 #63
They don't have indecent exposure laws? keithbvadu2 Jan 2019 #57
They do. They also have disorderly conduct laws Mariana Jan 2019 #62
Yeah, dammit! It's Tennessee! Have the decency to wear a rope-belt, straw hat, and bandanna Aristus Jan 2019 #64
A colleague of mine told a story about arriving at a house for an Early Intervention phylny Jan 2019 #65
My mom cussed the principal out over my sister and drivers training. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 sarcasmo Jan 2019 #67
Many bills are introduced. Fewer are passed. MineralMan Jan 2019 #68
A good first indicator it won't pass BannonsLiver Jan 2019 #79
What's next? Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2019 #70
LOL. Look at peopleofwalmart.com and you may think that's a good idea. nt Nay Jan 2019 #72
This, though, is definitely classist. WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2019 #74
I don't see how. People of all classes go to Walmart. And some of them act like fools. But whatever. Nay Jan 2019 #76
Then assign police to enforce dress codes? fescuerescue Jan 2019 #81

hlthe2b

(102,292 posts)
2. LOL... that will happen... Face it, lawmaker, Americans are basically slobs.
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 08:02 PM
Jan 2019

too late to put that genie back in the bottle.

Initech

(100,080 posts)
56. Yup! We're the fattest, laziest, slobbiest country on the planet and damn proud of it!
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 12:10 AM
Jan 2019

USA! USA! USA!

Jake Stern

(3,145 posts)
3. As someone who works in education, I totally agree
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 08:11 PM
Jan 2019

Last year we had a mother who came in wearing what could be charitably described as half size Daisy Dukes and a top that left NOTHING to the imagination. Her ass cheeks were literally hanging out.

That is not appropriate attire for a school.

And I've lost count on the number of parents, who couldn't believe that their little prince or princess could ever be at fault for their shit grades, launching into a cuss filled tirade that would make Gordon Ramsay blush.

I applaud this effort. It's not like the Rep is asking parents to come in wearing burkas or to give groveling deference to teachers/admin.







Squinch

(50,955 posts)
5. We once had a mother come to a school with no shirt on. Just buck naked from the waist up.
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 08:15 PM
Jan 2019

It WAS a hot day, but come on.

Ohiogal

(32,005 posts)
31. My husband
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 09:54 PM
Jan 2019

once had a parent come to school and come to his classroom drunk as a skunk. Her daughter was in his class - she apologized to him for her mother’s behavior. So sad.

KentuckyWoman

(6,685 posts)
61. Even to read your post is heartbreaking
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 01:18 AM
Jan 2019

I feel for school teachers and admins now a days. Between a rock and hard place. ....

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,349 posts)
23. too cryptic, maybe?
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 09:38 PM
Jan 2019

It seems to me that how we dress is an expression similar to speech. I have not seen the exact wording of the proposed law. Who decides what's acceptable? Is a law the best way to accomplish this? Is the offense great enough to impose on every citizen's right to free speech?

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
30. Gibberish
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 09:54 PM
Jan 2019

You realize bullshit like that is why we get mocked, right?

Don't walk into a school with your dick hanging out, profanity laden shirts, or in unsanitary condition.

It's not a damned babysitting agency. You couldn't walk into a grocery store or restaurant barefoot. Teachers deserve a but of respect. They have a right not to be yelled and cursed at.

How old are you?

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,349 posts)
33. that's a community thing
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 09:58 PM
Jan 2019

My wife is a retired school teacher, my son teaches, I have nieces and nephews who are teachers.

Communities impose etiquette better than courts, lawyers, police and judges.

This is a matter of manners, not law.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
35. No. Your statement that imposing regulations infringes on free speech
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 10:02 PM
Jan 2019

NOT that this should be handled at the local level with local jurisdiction.

I was expecting the"I pay taxes" routine and was ready to tell you your taxes support the military too. Go try to walk beyond the red stripe on a military flight line and see how far that argument gets you.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,349 posts)
40. the bill mentions adults
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 10:16 PM
Jan 2019

Students don't have the same rights as adults. Schools act in loco parentis over students and can require attire and behavior that does not deprive other students of education. Parents are visitors to the school, not the schools wards.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,349 posts)
45. that's a lot of reading
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 10:43 PM
Jan 2019

I must be dense as I do not see how that applies to anything we've been discussing.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/20/1232g



BTW, I mentioned "bill" in a post above, but I have not seen whatever the lawmaker is proposing. If it actually exists already and you have a link to it, I would appreciate seeing that.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
47. How would it not apply?
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 10:57 PM
Jan 2019

It clealrlu states what rights a parent does or does not have. Remember, your ascertaition is that schools cannot legally limit a parents "free speech" on their property.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,349 posts)
51. FERPA deals with rights of access to records
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 11:12 PM
Jan 2019

Some "guidance" for students: Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act, and the actual code: 20 U.S. Code Section 1232g

(Either one can give you a headache trying to read it).


School personnel and students should not have to put up with, and should be protected from, abusive or threatening language or behavior, but the lawmaker seems more concerned with the appearance of parents.

BannonsLiver

(16,396 posts)
78. Americans are really shitty at manners too.
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 02:59 PM
Jan 2019

One of my favorite things to do when I travel abroad is to play “spot the Americans.”

It’s a riot. Every time.

 

Cold War Spook

(1,279 posts)
80. I am 75 and originally from Boston.
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 03:11 PM
Jan 2019

I went for jury duty in Fl. I wore a suit. People just kept staring at me.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
58. Like I said
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 12:16 AM
Jan 2019

By all means, go do that on your tax payer funded military installation and see where it gets you.

Mariana

(14,858 posts)
52. Isn't cursing and yelling at people in a public place
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 11:20 PM
Jan 2019
already illegal just about everywhere? I believe they call it disorderly conduct, or disturbing the peace, or something like that. Why, even Tennessee has such laws in place.

Amazingly enough, Tennessee also already prohibits walking around in public places with certain "body parts" exposed. Whoever would have guessed?

I hope someone will inform State Rep. Parkinson about these statutes. I'm sure he will be greatly relieved to find out these acts are already illegal.

Jake Stern

(3,145 posts)
12. So people are hypocrites for wanting mom and dad to act respectably when visiting a school?
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 08:27 PM
Jan 2019

If mom and dad choose to cuss like a sailor or dress like a Bronx hooker, they're welcome to do that elsewhere, not when they're in a place full of kids for a noon parent-teacher conference.

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
10. Sadly, he's correct on this issue.
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 08:24 PM
Jan 2019

There are far too many adults who don't know how to act like adults. It is unfortunate that they are raising kids to be just like them.

RockRaven

(14,972 posts)
11. I'm more bothered by shirts with expletives/cursing out principals than skimpy clothing/nudity
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 08:26 PM
Jan 2019

when it comes to setting examples for kids.

Americans are way too hung up on nudity. It's a human body. Everyone's got one, in some fashion or another. Get over it.

Sanity Claws

(21,849 posts)
14. I have no doubts that some parents are slobs
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 08:48 PM
Jan 2019

but a dress code to show up at a school where your child is? That sounds totally unenforceable and I think a lawmaker could spend his time better.
The principal of the school is could create something like Guidelines for Dressing and perhaps make it applicable to teacher and students, as well.

15. Let's consider other things he could be concerned with:
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 08:48 PM
Jan 2019

1. The fact that so many veterans are homeless.

2. The fact that one in five children go to bed hungry.

3. The anti-vaccine movement's effect on public health.

4. Global warming.

5. Clean water.

6. Better schools, more pay for teachers, smaller class sizes.

7. Income inequality.

8. Lack of universal health care.

9. Review of effectiveness of mandatory prison sentences.

10. Programs to help people get off drugs.

And on, and on. And yet, despite all these real world problems, this idiot thinks the most important thing the Tennessee legislature should concern itself with is what parents are wearing when they drop their kids off at school? Really?

MyOwnPeace

(16,927 posts)
20. Called in parents one time........
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 09:23 PM
Jan 2019

to discuss their child's learning problems. Dad was wearing a baseball cap that said,

"Sex is like a snowstorm - you never know how many inches you're gonna' get!"

Tough to have a serious discussion facing that.............

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
25. People who hated school as children don't
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 09:41 PM
Jan 2019

respect it as adults. They emotionally regress when thinking about having to set foot on school property.

That's one possibility.

at140

(6,110 posts)
26. I support dress code for airline travel
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 09:45 PM
Jan 2019

Where we are packed together like sardines and are forced to smell every one around you for several hours.

Response to at140 (Reply #26)

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
29. I'm so old that I remember when this wasn't necessary
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 09:51 PM
Jan 2019

On the other hand the students did have dress codes. Girls couldn’t wear pants or anything that could be described as sexy. Boys had to have short haircuts, shirts and pants.

Then the 60s came along and all that was tossed out the window!

Nay

(12,051 posts)
66. As a former resident of Tennessee, I can assure you that this 'Democrat,' like many
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 11:54 AM
Jan 2019

Democrats elected in TN, is basically a Republican. So the dress code stuff is basic for them.

IIRC, most communities have laws against public nudity (the mom with no blouse) and public cursing (cursing teachers, etc.) so there are already laws against that stuff. Whether the schools want to get all involved with calling the cops or involving the school cop would be up to them. Teachers and principals will usually consider the feelings of the student(s) involved before getting cops in on it. Nothing like having the cops haul off your parents in front of your classmates . . .

I've never been very interested in clothing/fashion/styles, not even as a HS kid, but the more I see what total slobs Americans are, the more I tend to dress more nicely for going out in public. That's me, always going against the grain! The turning point for me was the last funeral I attended. Man. I live in a red area in a purple state, and the funeral was held at a primitive Baptist Church. So, one would expect some decorum, no?

No. No. People showed up in flip flops, short-shorts, tank tops and T-shirts with rude sayings, threadbare jeans, etc. It was an eye-opener. Now, I don't expect anyone to wear a black suit to a funeral any more, but come on, what about a basic shirt and pants in a muted color? A simple plain dress? Those simple items are available at Goodwill for $5. I would wager that every one of those folks had those items in their closet, but they chose to act as if they were heading to the beach.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
71. Classism? How was I classist?
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 12:39 PM
Jan 2019

If you are objecting to the "primitive" in front of the "Baptist Church," that is a designation that the church calls itself -- it's not some pejorative I call it out of 'classism.' It's a very conservative Christian Baptist denomination that has many churches in the South.

Did I give the impression that these people were all poor? They weren't. Most were solidly middle class, including my co-worker, the woman who died. My comment on Goodwill came out of my own shopping habits and knowledge -- and I'm middle class, just like they were. My point was: if you don't wear business casual clothing generally, a respectful outfit is available at Goodwill for nothing. But, as I said, these people were mostly middle class, probably had such an outfit in their closets, but did not think it was necessary to change out of tank tops and shorts to attend a funeral. I don't attend funerals often, so I was pretty amazed at the change.

LiberalFighter

(50,945 posts)
36. Why create a law for this?
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 10:06 PM
Jan 2019

1) If the parent is just dropping or picking up the student outside. Leave it alone. As long as the parent stays in the car.

2) If it involves going into the school, the school should just have a dress code and enforce it.

dameatball

(7,398 posts)
77. Right. The OP is slightly misleading. There is a difference between a parent sitting in a car and
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 02:43 PM
Jan 2019

a parent entering a school for a different reason. When I drop off or pick up my grandsons they are all held back until the vehicle gets there and a school employee brings them to the car. But then, I don't live in TN anymore.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
39. The main reason Americans are against nudity is prudish thought process, childish
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 10:10 PM
Jan 2019

people, etc.

I wonder what the science is on health and nudity. I wonder if any kind of disease is spread easier if we were all naked, for instance.

I recently saw the picture of the Super Bowl debacle, the breast, and I am ashamed i live in the country that even noticed that let alone went insane over it

Response to RandySF (Original post)

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
50. Then I will delete my post. With apologies.
Sat Jan 26, 2019, 11:04 PM
Jan 2019

Cause I assume he would support my suggestion. Although I still disagree with his bill.

Thanks for the correction.

Have a nice evening.

Mariana

(14,858 posts)
62. They do. They also have disorderly conduct laws
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 01:29 AM
Jan 2019

which prohibits people from yelling and cursing in public places like, you know, a school.

Aristus

(66,386 posts)
64. Yeah, dammit! It's Tennessee! Have the decency to wear a rope-belt, straw hat, and bandanna
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 02:11 AM
Jan 2019

when dropping off the young'uns with the school marm!

phylny

(8,380 posts)
65. A colleague of mine told a story about arriving at a house for an Early Intervention
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 09:09 AM
Jan 2019

visit and the mother answered the door in a negligee. The TOP half of the negligee. Nothing on her bottom half. Another told a story about a man answering in his underwear. It never ceases to amaze me how some people choose to act.

sarcasmo

(23,968 posts)
67. My mom cussed the principal out over my sister and drivers training. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 12:05 PM
Jan 2019



Sears driving school was the end result. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

BannonsLiver

(16,396 posts)
79. A good first indicator it won't pass
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 03:04 PM
Jan 2019

It is legislation proposed by a black democrat in one of the most far right legislatures in the country. Even if the GOP legislators agreed with it, wish they had thought of it themselves etc. they would be duty bound to oppose it.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
76. I don't see how. People of all classes go to Walmart. And some of them act like fools. But whatever.
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 01:17 PM
Jan 2019

fescuerescue

(4,448 posts)
81. Then assign police to enforce dress codes?
Sun Jan 27, 2019, 04:16 PM
Jan 2019

Dress code tickets? Dress code jail.

Nah. We are already way way over policed.

For better or worse, they kids are exposed to these same adults pretty much in every other facet of life - including the home.

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