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yortsed snacilbuper

(7,939 posts)
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 11:40 PM Jan 2019

Proposed law would make animal cruelty a felony

Two members of the U.S. House of Representatives re-introduced a bill last week that would make malicious acts of animal cruelty a felony nationwide. A person convicted of the crime could face a fine or up to seven years in prison, or both.

The bill, known as the Preventing Animal Cruel and Torture (PACT) Act, is co-sponsored by Democrat Ted Deutch and Republican Vern Buchanan. PACT would criminalize "crushing, burning, drowning, suffocating and impaling animals." The measure would also address bestiality and other attempts to sexually exploit animals.

Deutch tweeted, "We will get this done. It's bipartisan, common-sense policy that will protect our animals."

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Proposed law would make animal cruelty a felony (Original Post) yortsed snacilbuper Jan 2019 OP
Good. Some of the things people can do to animals is horrific Downtown Hound Jan 2019 #1
It absolutely needs to change! calimary Jan 2019 #19
Not soon enough Laura PourMeADrink Jan 2019 #2
So brave superpatriotman Jan 2019 #3
Thank you...you made my night ! UniteFightBack Jan 2019 #4
Should be criminal Lithos Jan 2019 #5
Prisons are already full of them. nt Duppers Jan 2019 #21
About time Bayard Jan 2019 #6
Surely there's no opposition to this. What could be the rationale for not supporting. nt Doremus Jan 2019 #7
Possible issue could be federal vs state jurisdiction. thesquanderer Jan 2019 #12
All states should pass this! Duppers Jan 2019 #22
Not federal subject matter jberryhill Jan 2019 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author Duppers Jan 2019 #23
And what's your point? jberryhill Jan 2019 #26
Sorry and you're right! Duppers Jan 2019 #27
Works for me. jeffreyi Jan 2019 #8
About time! lagomorph777 Jan 2019 #9
I met a woman at the dog park who had a rescue doggie ProudLib72 Jan 2019 #10
This is great news but I wish it would also include the cruelty in the meat industry. Marie Marie Jan 2019 #11
I do too! Mickju Jan 2019 #18
Average sentence for federal offense of rape is 3 years with max sentence of 10 ... just say'in NotHardly Jan 2019 #13
Those who can be hurt pets can also hurt humans AlexSFCA Jan 2019 #14
+1000 !! Duppers Jan 2019 #24
Vern Buchanan, how laughable. After thousands of dead turtles and dolphins washed up on his ancianita Jan 2019 #15
This needs to be done as a series of uniform state laws, not a federal law jmowreader Jan 2019 #17
Great news!.. Can't happen soon enough for me! whathehell Jan 2019 #20
Consider going vegan. Animal agriculture is where the vast amount of mucifer Jan 2019 #25

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)
1. Good. Some of the things people can do to animals is horrific
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 11:41 PM
Jan 2019

And they often get very light punishments for it. That needs to change.

 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
4. Thank you...you made my night !
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 11:50 PM
Jan 2019


Thank you Congressman Deutch
Phone: 202-225-3001

Thank you Congressman Vern Buchanan


Lithos

(26,403 posts)
5. Should be criminal
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 11:57 PM
Jan 2019

Yet, must include some medical intervention. I do not see this ending well - having these types of borderline psychopaths spending time in prison.

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thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
12. Possible issue could be federal vs state jurisdiction.
Tue Jan 29, 2019, 01:14 AM
Jan 2019

By analogy, there is generally no federal law against murder. Exceptions need some additional rationale... some interesting info at https://www.wklaw.com/10-ways-murder-becomes-a-federal-crime/

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jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
26. And what's your point?
Tue Jan 29, 2019, 01:25 PM
Jan 2019

Yeah... research, transport, dealers.... INTERSTATE COMMERCE.

This is not that. Perhaps you’d like to explain the basis for federal jurisdiction here.

Duppers

(28,125 posts)
27. Sorry and you're right!
Tue Jan 29, 2019, 04:05 PM
Jan 2019

It only seemed that if they could intercede an animal's welfare in these cases, it would be some grounds for a law regarding others, proving some precedent.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
10. I met a woman at the dog park who had a rescue doggie
Tue Jan 29, 2019, 12:39 AM
Jan 2019

It seems the previous owner of the rescue doggie had drilled holes through her toes!

I met another woman with rescue Samoyed. Of course I petted the Sammi. The owner said the dog didn't usually let anyone near her because she had once been set on fire.

I could go on with the stories of animal cruelty, but I think you get my point. This shit happens too often. Personally, I'd like these people to get more than any seven years.

Marie Marie

(9,999 posts)
11. This is great news but I wish it would also include the cruelty in the meat industry.
Tue Jan 29, 2019, 12:58 AM
Jan 2019

But it is a start so I hope it passes.

AlexSFCA

(6,139 posts)
14. Those who can be hurt pets can also hurt humans
Tue Jan 29, 2019, 01:46 AM
Jan 2019

making this a felony may help prevent crimes against humans too. I’d be curious to see who is going to oppose the bill.

ancianita

(36,130 posts)
15. Vern Buchanan, how laughable. After thousands of dead turtles and dolphins washed up on his
Tue Jan 29, 2019, 01:54 AM
Jan 2019

Gulf Coast beach at Longboat Key here on Florida's west coast this past year.

NOW he cares about cruelty to animals?

And guess who won't be liable to be charged with felonies?

Fictional personhoods that pollute animal environments and kill those animals!

Does it include industrial torture of animals -- pigs, chickens, cattle? The killing of mammalian fish in oceanic large scale fish netting expeditions? Does it indict the polluters who create oceanic dead zones?

To me this sounds cheap and cosmetic. It's a law meant for the rest of us, not Big Extractor Transnationals. It's to stop puppy/kitty mills. Granted, better than nothing, right? And it will save mass cruelty to pets.

Fine, as far as it goes. But the rest of the animal world won't be touched.

One test of this law: on the ground, just go out and try to stop any corporations who ruin animal habitats, whether they're in forests or oceans, and watch who gets falsely arrested as terrorists.

Don't trust one damned thing Vern Buchanan supports. He's an enabler of launderers and drug transporters. He runs private jet and yacht leases all around the Caribbean. And the FBI should be investigating him since years ago.

jmowreader

(50,562 posts)
17. This needs to be done as a series of uniform state laws, not a federal law
Tue Jan 29, 2019, 02:04 AM
Jan 2019

I thoroughly expect Trump to allow this to go into law without his signature. Days after that happens, a Deplorable will video himself drowning cute puppies and will post it on YouTube under his own name. He'll appeal the conviction all the way to Trump's Supreme Court on grounds that drowning cute puppies is not a federal question, and the law will be overturned.

Then Trump will start taunting liberals and the "nanny state" they want.

mucifer

(23,558 posts)
25. Consider going vegan. Animal agriculture is where the vast amount of
Tue Jan 29, 2019, 04:43 AM
Jan 2019

animal torture comes from.

Fighting against torture for a few animals and participating in the torture of vast majority of animals is cognitive dissidence.

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