Is there a consensus on what they mean when they talk about legitimate/honest/forcible rape?

[apples and oranges]

It's funny I never noticed it before, but freepers add qualifiers when talking about rape. I'm still not clear on what they mean. Talking heads have given several possibilities of what they might mean:

1- A true rape vs. a made up rape (i.e., Duke Lacross hoax)
2- A violent rape where the woman fights the entire time vs a rape where the woman, afraid for her life, does as she's told
3- Rape of a good woman vs rape of a "hussy"
4- Rape by a stranger vs a person the woman knows

Which is it? Does anyone know for sure?

Is date rape, drugged rape, and statutory rape included in their definition?

[The Magistrate]

1. It Means, Sir, A Woman Who Says She was raped And wants An Abortion Is Lying

These people consider 'exception for rape and incest' a loop-hole that women will lie and take advantage of to escape the consequences of their immoral sexual activities.

[digonswine]

3. Yes-

"types" of rape or "degrees of evilness" in rape can be discussed by thoughtful people. These folks just want to control their women and find some reason to exclude them from getting an abortion in order to appease a base of voters. This whole discussion began with wanting to limit the rights of women.

[DirkGently]

9. Implying women lie is one part of it, legally I think it's more

So yes, the underlying theme to ALL of this Republican legislation is that women are sex criminals, who need to be watched and intimidated and "given advice," lest they use abortion as to escape their crime of having illicit sex, for which the punishment should be shame and humiliation; maybe death, given their opposition to late-term abortions in every case.

That's the big, ugly, ideological basis.

But now I'm thinking about what these qualifiers might mean under the law. Sure, they envision subjecting women seeking abortion to an inquiry about the act that caused them to need it, which is just another form of intimidation like forced ultrasound. It's poll quiz for reproductive care. A hurdle designed to harm.

But the issue with rape is consent. Statutory rape, and rape of the temporarily or permanently mentally incapacitated, assume a lack of consent without any reference to physical force. The law considers that a child or a person not in possession of their full adult faculties cannot give consent.

So that's another ugly consequence I think they're looking for. They want to exclude sexual abuse of the medicated, the developmentally challenged, and children from the concept of "rape." Another day, another attempt to complicate and intimidate.

It's way past time arguing the endless imagined nuances with these people. They're not going to be satisfied until women are collared and tracked.

Abortion is a woman's private right. Period.

[dkf]

2. Or statutory rape...

I have no idea what they are talking about.

[Downwinder]

4. Ask every Republican you can what their position

on legitimate rape is.

So far I have not been able to get a legitimate answer.

[treestar]

5. I think probably a combo of 3 and 4

They might accept statutory rape, but right wingers would have to judge the woman's behavior, and hussies would deserve it and date rape and marital rape probably don't exist to them, or are the fault of the woman.

[LadyHawkAZ]

6. The important bullet points in deciphering the wingnut "rape" view

-The victim must be white, female, Christian, married (or a virgin living with parents) and a regular churchgoer
-The victim must have been at their home at the time of the alleged rape and wearing a skirt, dress or loose nightgown
-The alleged assailant must be an intruder in the home, must not be a friend, family member or acquaintance of the victim, and preferably of a different skin tint. They must also be armed with a weapon
-The victim must put up a screaming, yelling fight
-The assailant must not be wearing a condom, nor be asked to put one on
-There must be vaginal penetration or anal penetration

Anyone else was asking for it or is lying.

HTH.

[jeff47]

7. There seems to be two broad categories who believe in "non-legitimate" rape

1) Men who think women make up rape claims all the time.
2) Men who think once married (or somehow attached) to a woman, they have blanket permission to sex at any time.

"Slut" vs. not slut doesn't really enter into it. Because by definition, the raped woman is a slut in their mind.

[DefenseLawyer]

8. It's a way for the hardcore pro-lifers

to pull in the less strident pro-lifers. A certain percentage are against abortion on some level but become more reasonable when you get specific about rape and incest. So it goes like this: the nuts say if we allow an exception in cases of rape, the harlots will all claim rape just to get an abortion, and we know they are lying because you can't get pregnant if you were "really" raped. Once convinced of these "facts" it's easier to rationalize being in favor of an absolute ban.

[lightcameron]

10. Not sure about the first two (they sound nut-jobbish), but the FBI uses the term "forcible rape"

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/violent-crime/rapemain

[jeff47]

11. The difference is the FBI thinks it's a sub-category of rape

The Republicans think it's the only kind of rape.