Trump is Very Afraid of Joe Biden Running in 2020

[Galraedia]

As more Democratic presidential candidates jump into the party’s Lord of the Flies–esque 2020 primary, Donald Trump is watching from the sidelines with a mix of glee and trepidation. “He loves the bloody nature and how ugly it will be,” a Republican close to the president told me. “He thinks they’re going to tear each other apart,” added a former White House official briefed on Trump’s thinking. But it’s the potential candidate who hasn’t declared that Trump fears. “Trump is very, very worried about [Joe] Biden getting in,” the former official said. “He sees him as the biggest threat because he can win Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Michigan.”

Whether or not Biden enters the race, Trump’s plunging poll numbers in the wake of the government shutdown have raised alarms in some corners of Trumpworld about the president’s re-election prospects. “It’s a shitshow,” a veteran of the 2016 campaign told me. The person who is drawing much of the blame is Trump’s 2020 campaign manager, Brad Parscale. “There’s a revolt against Parscale,” said the former official.

Source:https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/01/theres-a-revolt-against-parscale-amid-biden-west-wing

Treasonous Trump should be worried.

[BlueStater]

1. Not supporting Biden no matter how much the media tries to shove him down my throat.

[Galraedia]

5. ....

[Duppers]

12. Same here. nt

[BlueStater]

17. Didn't post it to please YOU.

[OhZone]

77. Biden was great in the Ryan debate!

Ryan was Gish Galloping and Biden just laughed at his stupidity!

Perfect replay to a cavalcade of lies!

Biden would be a good candidate.


I'm a lesbian feminist who supported Hillary, but I would not mind Biden/Harris at all!

I would <3 it!

[Control-Z]

11. Are there reasons for refusing to support former VP Biden?

What if he became our (Democratic) nominee? Are you still not going to support him?

[BlueStater]

16. He's nearly 80 goddamn years old.

That's way too old for anybody to be president. He's had about 30 years to run and it didn't work out for him. Sorry, but his time has passed. Same goes for Sanders.

I'll support him if he wins the nomination, but I highly doubt that will happen anyway. There are more appealing candidates who aren't carrying around almost 50 years of political baggage.

[Garrett78]

22. Those with short memories think of Biden as...

...lovable Uncle Joe who pals around with Obama eating burgers and ice cream. But there are reasons why Biden has come up far short in his previous attempts (plural) to get the nomination.

The media has helped convince people that winning over white males who voted for Trump is the key to Democratic success in 2020. It's really quite insane.

[Sugarcoated]

30. It's about winning regular folks

The rust belt, the mid west. Authenticity. Joe would rip Crooked a new one in the debates. He can win and Republicans know it, the honest ones have said Biden's the biggest threat.

[Garrett78]

57. "Regular folks" is a meaningless term.

Because "regular folks" are found everywhere.

[ribrepin]

45. I've loved Joe for thirty years

but he is pushing 80. I wish he had been president, but he is too old.

[bdamomma]

85. isn't 80 the new

70???

[Demsrule86]

65. If he is the General election candidate, I would hope you would vote for VP Biden. I like

Biden personally and believe he can win. I believe Sherrod Brown can win a general...but not sure about the others.

[themaguffin]

92. Define " the media tried to shove" please

[Garrett78]

2. Trump's just buying into the media's notion that only a white male can win those blue states.

And, yes, they are blue states. The Democratic nominee has won MI and PA in 6 of the last 7 presidential elections. The Democratic nominee has won WI in 7 of the last 8 presidential elections. And we had some big wins in those states in a midterm election for which Democrats are notorious for not turning out.

The lone exception, of course, was 2016. When Clinton, vilified for 25 years and victimized by Comey, was narrowly defeated in each of those states. To say nothing of other shenanigans.

Trump was the "change" candidate. Now we're 2 years into his administration, the most corrupt and despicable in the modern era. With approval numbers that all but guarantee his defeat.

Harris can win MI, PA and WI. As well as NC, FL, GA, AZ, etc. Turnout will be record-breaking if she's our nominee. Bank on it.

[Galraedia]

8. Kamala Harris is Hillary Clinton Redux

And how did that turn out again? Clinton couldn't even defeat the weakest GOP candidate in U.S. History. Now the establishment wants to push Kamala Harris like she's the second coming of Obama just for the sake of having a female nominee. Biden has a better shot of actually winning in those states. We have too much damn corruption in the White House to be playing Clinton 2.0.

[Garrett78]

9. There are quite a few differences between Harris and Clinton. Your sexism is showing.

[Galraedia]

10. Wanting a better candidate that can actually win isn't sexism.

And there are a few differences between Clinton and Harris, like the fact that despite Clinton being a better candidate than Harris, even she couldn't beat the orange turd.

[Garrett78]

13. Likening 2 women who have completely different histories and different voting records, and...

...being dismissive of the value of nominating a woman is what constitutes sexism.

Biden would be long forgotten if Obama hadn't picked him as VP. Those with short memories only think of him as lovable Uncle Joe who pals around with Obama eating burgers and ice cream. But there are reasons Biden has twice come up way short in his attempts to get nominated. Biden has quite the history of gaffes and sexism.

Turnout for Harris will be record-breaking if she's our nominee. Believe it or not, winning over white males who support Trump is not the key to taking back the White House.

[Galraedia]

75. If AOC could run I'd support her over Kamala Harris

Unfortunately, she can't due to the age limit requirement of being at least 35 to run for president. I also support Elizabeth Warren over Harris, but she lacks charisma and because of that she's unlikely to win the nomination.

[bdamomma]

86. She has time

let her gain experience and adjust before throwing her into the pit.

[djacq]

28. Absolutely Disagree and you're comment is sexist.

1. Secretary Clinton's 2016 election loss is in the past... Let's all turn that page.

2. Vice President Biden has yet to put his name in and we might have to accept that he may never.

3. Senator Harris is uniquely a different candidate with her own set of qualifications and experiences.

PLEASE STOP WITH THE PURITY TEST!!!

Establishment versus Grass Roots got on my nerves during 2016 and we Democrats shouldn't be doing it now.

[mr_lebowski]

40. If someone said that nominating Joe Biden would be, say ... Al Gore redux ...

Would you assume this comment was related to them both possessing penises?

Just wondering

[Galraedia]

95. I voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016. I even supported her over Sanders.

Not sure how that makes me sexist. Now that I look back I wish the Democratic nominee was Bernie Sanders. The Clinton campaign was run by stupid people like John Podesta, who was hacked using a simple phishing email telling him to reset his password. Neither Gmail nor any other email service is going to direct you through email to reset your password.

[delisen]

54. Clinton defeated trump;Putin defeated US democracy

Any analysis that does not include Russia and Putin's war against Clinton and democracy is propping up Putin's war on democracy -which. we know how not ended.

Unfortunately many on the faux left were not sharp enough to heed Clinton's warning about Trump and Russia and played right into the Russian dictator's hands.

[bdamomma]

89. and Putin is not finished

with us yet. So far he is grinning ear to ear, and watching us destroy ourselves with the help of his stooge.

[jcgoldie]

63. How is Harris CLinton 2.0?

What do they have in common?

Oh yeah... that.

[Demsrule86]

66. They weren't blue states last year and without what is left of blue collar union types,we will lose

again so a Biden makes sense as does a Sherrod Brown. Already we are getting clobbered on the the, "Democrats want to force people off their work place insurance and will raise taxes hugely",front. We can either look at our situation realistically or we can give Trump another term by picking a candidate who can't win a general.

[aeromanKC]

3. Biden/Harris is the winning ticket

Experience, world-wide diplomacy, new generation, diversity...... check check, check.

[smirkymonkey]

7. I kind of like that ticket. Neither Biden nor Harris will take any shit from him.

For some reason, there aren't many other candidates I can see that will give it back to him the way they can. We need to run strong candidates that can make him look weak and humiliate him in the eyes of the public. His only strength is his aggressive nastiness and we need to run people who are not going to be intimidated by him.

[Sugarcoated]

31. Agreed.

That's a shiny win

[roamer65]

33. Yes it is.

[happybird]

34. I like it.

I like it a lot.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

55. I was thinking along the same lines.....

Biden/Harris......I do like the sound if that.

[bdamomma]

90. sounds like a consensus

Experience/Diplomatic along with young ideas and intelligence.

but now he needs to make the announcement, if he is considering it. Can't force him. But we need someone who will slap tRump down.

[uponit7771]

62. +1

[Demsrule86]

67. I agree completely. Great ticket.

[bdamomma]

82. Hey I posted the same thing

Harris or Warren as a running mate for Biden.

[LakeArenal]

4. Biden for me. With Beto

[Indykatie]

6. Biden for me. With Harris.

[Sugarcoated]

32. Biden with either

is a winner. Even Harris and Beto is a winner.

[delisen]

56. Biden was vp during the period of our greatest loses of democratic seats

Unfortunately Biden was an active vp during the period when Democrats lost over 1000 seats around the country. Our party was strong in 2008 and incredibly, much weaker, in 2016.

Biden is no match for the Kremlin. He most likely was aware of the Russian interference in 2016 and kept quiet about it instead of sounding the alarm.

[LakeArenal]

72. That's your opinion. Not of the many.

Joe still high in polls.

[bdamomma]

91. Beto

had a great following he's got potential.

[Glamrock]

29. See?

I knew I loved you for more than that whole Ronnie Wood thing....

[33taw]

49. Beto kinda lost me with the dental exam.

[Gothmog]

14. I like Joe and may support him if he runs

[Maru Kitteh]

15. Trump is only afraid of white men, when he should be afraid of warriors.

Joe Biden is one, but so are many others.

[Garrett78]

18. Trump and, sadly, many others think only a white man can win.

I guess Obama winning 2 landslides was a fluke, whereas Trump winning wasn't.

Racism, sexism and a bullshit media narrative has quite a hold on people. It's so bad that there are people convinced that the key to us taking back the White House is winning over white males who voted for Trump, as opposed to turning out our base in huge numbers. Seriously, let me repeat that: there are folks who think the key to winning back the White House is winning over white males who voted for Trump. Read that sentence again. It's utter madness.

It's the same contradictory and ignorant nonsense Sanders and members of the media were promoting after the 2016 election. "Identity politics is bad. White working class voters and their economic anxiety are the key to victory." And now you've got folks convinced that PA, MI and WI are red states all because of 2016--never mind every other presidential election since the 1980s when those states were won by the Democratic nominee (none of whom faced 25 years of vicious attacks and a last minute announcement by the FBI Director about their being under investigation).

[C Moon]

21. I didn't think Obama would win, so now I don't doubt Harris can win.

[gyroscope]

24. In other words, the corporate media

is pushing the idea that the democratic candidate has to be more like Trump.


to win, democrats have to MOVE ever more to the right in order to appease Trump's crazy far-right lunatic base.

[pnwmom]

25. Yes -- and I'll repeat your idea AGAIN.

Seriously, let me repeat that: there are folks who think the key to winning back the White House is winning over white males who voted for Trump. Read that sentence again. It's utter madness.

[Garrett78]

26. It's enough to drive one away from DU.

I guess the media has a way of persuading people to believe nonsense, but it doesn't take much critical thinking to realize how crazy that narrative is.

[quickesst]

19. I have said it before

If Joe Biden chooses to run, the toughest thing we will have to face is who he chooses as his running mate. I'll be good with whoever he chooses, but will be somewhat disappointed if that person is named gillibrand or gabbard.

[Demsrule86]

68. I believe he will pick Harris...she would add so much to the ticket...

[quickesst]

96. At this point...

..... I would have to say I agree with you. Someone else may rise to the occasion, but Harris seems to have a leg up right now

[pnwmom]

20. Trump wants us to THINK he's terrified of Biden. He's not. Trump is President EGO

who thinks he can manipulate us into voting for him.

I guarantee you he isn't afraid of Biden or anyone else. His narcissistic personality disorder makes him fearless. To him, Biden is yet another human to be squashed like a bug.

[Cha]

23. Yeah, I think you win

this thread.

[Sugarcoated]

35. Crooked is a typical bully

a coward. I think he really is threatened by Biden. Joe is phenomenal in debates and goes right at them, pulls no punches, says what should be said. His gift of occasional gaff is also his strength. He's genuine and cuts right to the chase, and with humor.

He also said what he wanted to do to Crooked Donnie's face

[pnwmom]

36. I'm not one who finds his gaffes endearing, or a strength. n/t

[Sugarcoated]

37. After the Crooked's gaffs Joe's are a blip on the radar

to me he sounds like a regular guy. We love him here in Pennsylvania.

[pnwmom]

39. When voters suffering under student loans find out he was one of the leaders to

make it harder to ever get out from onerous student loans, even in bankruptcy -- in a series of votes over a number of years -- they won't be so thrilled with him.

Many women already don't view him as much of an ally.

And his eagerness to get along with the other side -- which was his problem in the Anita Hill hearings -- recently was on display again. He took $200K to speak at an event for a Republican running for Congress, and justified this by saying he appreciated his vote on cancer research. But the same Rep led an effort to repeal the ACA. Without health insurance it won't matter if there are better cancer treatments out there.

[Sugarcoated]

42. Some will

None of them are perfect, pros and cons with all. He's my first choice, Beto a very close second. You have your candidate, I will have mine but I will support whomever wins.

[Demsrule86]

69. That was years ago. I worked with Joe during the Obama camapaigns...particularly in 12,

I noticed he had moved left, but the great thing is given his history which you describe, it will be very difficult to paint him as a lefty and tax raiser who will take your workplace insurance (already starting and look what happened to Clinton with that one). He will also negate Schultz and Bloomberg who would rather see Trump re-elected than have a true progressive win...all about taxes for those bastards. Biden is the stealth progressive who will enact good policy assuming we take the Senate. I would also add that Biden will be able to get some of the never Trumper's votes...I am not sure Sen. Harris at the top of the ticket could do that. I would like to see her as VP though.

[pnwmom]

73. Harris could expand the votes of young people and minorities in a way that Biden might not.

We'll see, obviously.

I don't think that this race will be like 2016, or that people will be as afraid to be viewed as a "lefty," or that his position as more of a centrist will help him.

[Demsrule86]

74. I think we have to be careful...that the GOP does not scare people by misleading on health

care and taxes...we do need some of the moderate voters from the midterm.

[pnwmom]

76. The GOP will mislead no matter what, but I don't think the phrase "Medicare for all" is that scary.

Everyone knows someone on Medicare, and knows they get to keep their own doctor.

[Demsrule86]

81. You are forgetting that more than half of this country gets insurance through work.

Medicare for all is already being portrayed as ending workplace insurance which actually it would. Medicare for all is the wrong thing to run on...a public option/and or lowering the age of medicare makes more sense.

[pnwmom]

83. No, I'm not. That half of the country have PARENTS or other relatives who get Medicare

And they're not hearing these older people complaining about losing their employer based coverage to get Medicare.

[Demsrule86]

87. I think you are wrong. The numbers who support medicare for all drop when folks

are informed it would end workplace insurance. It would be a giant undertaking and cost a great deal of money and jobs as well...in the insurance industry. You can't just ignore this. We would have the same sort of result as Clinton did with Clinton care. We only have on shot at getting this right...just rolling out the ACA was very tough. A public option will lead to universal coverage...medicare for all I don't know...but I will be pleased if everyone is covered.

[pnwmom]

93. So we're not supposed to switch to the much more efficient Medicare system

because we need to subsidize jobs in the insurance industry?

Won't a public option just be an end to the same goal? I would be fine to start with a public option, but I don't think the public would be afraid of Medicare for all if they learned that their employers would be paying into it, just as they are buying their health insurance now.

[Sugarcoated]

38. Pennsylvania would be a lock

[pnwmom]

41. We'll see. First he has to get through the primaries. n/t

[Sugarcoated]

43. Against Crooked, lol?

No doubt about it. PA is all about their favorite sons. I've lived here since 1986 and grew up right across the Delaware in South Jersey. Pennsylvania is Joe's on a silver platter.

ETA Of course he has to win the primary.

[pnwmom]

44. What are you talking about? Trump won't be his opponent in the primaries.

He's going to have strong progressives to beat in the primaries.

[Sugarcoated]

46. You said "we'll see"

about Joe winning PA.

[pnwmom]

47. What did you mean about "Crooked" in the primary? He can't beat Trump in the general

unless he beats a strong field in the primary.

[Sugarcoated]

48. That's what I call Donnie

short for Crooked Donnie. Joe will beat Trump in PA

[Sugarcoated]

51. If he's the candidate.

I am saying Joe will win PA against Trump. Of course he has to win the primary....

[pnwmom]

50. Voters in 49 other states aren't making their choice based on how well they think Biden

might do in PA against Trump.

[Sugarcoated]

52. Okie dokie

[pnwmom]

53. Pennsylvania won't be voting till April 28, and by that point 24 states will have already voted,

including CA and much of the South. It's not inconceivable that the decision will effectively be made before PA voters weigh in.

https://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/2020-presidential-primary-schedule-calendar/

[Sugarcoated]

58. Okie doke

[BannonsLiver]

79. That poster has a completely OTT dislike of Biden

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So I’d save your bandwidth on this topic. In their eyes a Biden presidency would be only marginally better than another 4 years of Trump.

[Sugarcoated]

80. I thought she was having a bad night

but that makes sense. Joe rocks, btw

[rusty quoin]

27. It's very early. I hate how early it is.

When the debates come in I will look forward to that like I always done. You cannot decide now.

[former9thward]

61. Early?

The first DNC debates are in June. Less than five months. Yes, people can decide now.

[shanny]

59. So am I.

[McCamy Taylor]

60. Biden/Beto would win. Lots of combos would win. Trump is weak.

If Russia does not "win" the Democratic primary, Trump is toast.

[lunamagica]

64. Black women are the backbone of the Democratic party. Do you think they will support Biden?

[Demsrule86]

70. Yes I do. All Democrats must support the GE candidate or we lose to Trump. We need big tent voters.

[lunamagica]

71. I meant if they will support him in the primaries. I doubt they will

[Demsrule86]

88. I think he might win the nomination. unless we want to lose in the electoral college again we need

to take rustbelt states....who else besides Sherrod Brown will carry those folks?

[lunamagica]

94. The Anita Hill issue will weight heavely in the primaries.

[Demsrule86]

97. I am not old enough to remember Anita Hill...and that was years ago. He was a hell of a VP

and will make a good President. He can get the votes we need to win. I want to win. Nothing else matters at this point.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

78. The winner of

the Democratic primary will be the next POTUS. Just like 2008.

[bdamomma]

84. Hey

remember when Biden said he would beat tRump up under the bleachers I would join him who else would.