I've been thinking about this all day: "LEGITIMATE RAPE"

[CatWoman]

are these knuckledraggers trying to say?

Women lie when they say they've been raped?

I have to say, every time I see a story about a woman falsely crying rape makes my stomach turn. I'm the first to say women who do that need to be prosecuted.

However, situations like that are the exception -- not the rule.

Again, just what are the teabagging evangelicals trying to imply?

[2on2u]

1. All Akin needs is to spend a week at a retreat with all of the Penn State

abuse victims, surely his tune will change, perhaps his viewpoint, maybe even his sense of right and wrong.

[Initech]

13. Akin is certainly fitting my definition of republicanism - which is a glorious lack of empathy.

[janlyn]

2. they are implying

That we are ALL daughters of Eve..so therefore we are all liars and sluts!!!!


Knuckledraggers is right!!!

[RagAss]

3. Beyond your darkest fear.......

Women must give birth to their rapist's child.

Can it be any plainer ?

Sometimes folks are just too afraid to admit to themselves the intentions of their enemy.

[The Magistrate]

4. Your First Option, Ma'am

In their view, women will lie and say they have been raped if abortions are allowed in cases of rape or incest: they describe this as 'a loop-hole'....

[malaise]

5. These fucking ReTHUG scumbag are redefining rape

to suit their ideological agenda. And they are all doing it. Akin merely spilled the beans explicitly.

[spanone]

6. the gop's agenda on monday is to outlaw abortion for any reason

knuckledraggers? you bet.

Tampa, Florida (CNN) - The Republican Party is once again set to enshrine into its official platform support for "a human life amendment" to the Constitution that would outlaw abortion without making explicit exemptions for rape or incest, according to draft language of the platform obtained exclusively by CNN late Monday.

"Faithful to the 'self-evident' truths enshrined in the Declaration of Independence, we assert the sanctity of human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed," the draft platform declares. "We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment's protections apply to unborn children."

– Follow the Ticker on Twitter: @PoliticalTicker

The party will reaffirm its opposition to federally-funded embryonic stem cell research and demand that the government "not fund or subsidize health care which includes abortion coverage."

Republicans have also inserted a "salute" to states pushing "informed consent" laws - an apparent reference to ultrasound bills that have moved through some state legislatures - "mandatory waiting periods prior to an abortion, and health-protective clinic regulation."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/20/first-on-cnn-gop-prepares-tough-anti-abortion-platform/

[CJCRANE]

7. He means it's impossible to get pregnant from being raped.

Therefore there is no need for abortions for women who claim to have been raped.

[arcane1]

11. And a pregnant woman who says she was raped is thus lying

[retread]

8. When they say they want to return to the "good old days." They mean

medieval times.


"The idea that rape victims cannot get pregnant has long roots. The legal position that pregnancy disproved a claim of rape appears to have been instituted in the UK sometime in the 13th century. One of the earliest British legal texts, Fleta, has a clause in the first book of the second volume stating that:

"If, however, the woman should have conceived at the time alleged in the appeal, it abates, for without a woman's consent she could not conceive." "

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/the-h-word/2012/aug/20/legitimate-rape-medieval-medical-concept

[CatWoman]

15. and we know how cruel life was for women back then, don't we?

A Queen's job was to produce heirs. Male heirs. period.

Whereas Isabella was loved and respected (she was often referred to as "manly&quot , her daughters (Juana and Katherine) were treated like shit. Juana was betrayed by both her husband and father.

[retread]

37. The modern day ruling class would love a return to those days. Feudalism seems to be

the favored system of the privileged and where they would/will take us if they are allowed complete control.

[Laurian]

9. I think they are trying to insure a patriarchy, where men rule and make all

decisions regarding all aspects of women's lives. They want to keep women "in their place". Hard to believe this attitude persists in the year 2012. Most of these Neanderthals cannot fathom women being smarter and more capable than them.

Men pushing their opinions and rules on women absolutely enrages me!

[Hydra]

31. Actually, they KNOW women are smarter and more capable than them

Why else would they need to codify controls into law to be the dominant gender?

People like Akin don't have a job because they are the best at what they do, and they certainly wouldn't have one in a female dominated world...so ya, this is entirely about men being small in all senses and trying to "fix" that.

[leftstreet]

10. Experiencing an erection when hurting a woman = deviant

Why aren't these guys talking about that, and/or the rape culture in general?

[yellerpup]

12. They are trying to imply that we didn't win the

argument on choice way, way back in 1972. We won. They couldn't accept that the law changed and have fought to turn back the clock ever since. Now we have to explain it to them all over again and fight them all the way to the Supreme Court, where conservatives now hold an edge. They've waited a long time to do this and I presume this has to do with why there has been so much activity in the courts in 41 states to restrict women's choice. They won't 'win' this election but I think that they may have hoped to win at one time and they did make room for the issue in the platform. Obama will defeat them, of course. The Republicans may be coming to rob and destroy seniors next, but this year it's all about getting women in line.

To all those who seek to justify destroying a woman's autonomy, I say, "Keep talking."

[Spitfire of ATJ]

14. You are missing the point.

Republicans want everyone to believe women have special powers to prevent pregnancy during times of trauma so they can justify the idea that babies only come from God. If God doesn't want it, it doesn't happen.

Therefore all babies are God's will and sacred.

[CatWoman]

16. Yeah

we all have Alien acid in our vaginas.

All we have to do is point and squirt.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

36. Some of these superstitious idiots still believe in witches...

...but then, they live in small towns where the tallest building in town is a church steeple and they really believe God is in the sky and controls every aspect of their lives and will hit them with a bolt out of the blue if they swear.

[kestrel91316]

17. They aren't implying anything. They come right out and claim that most rape claims are

completely false.

And they point now to those 32,000 pregnancies every year as evidence: see, it wasn't rape at all - she got pregnant, and that can't happen if she doesn't have an orgasm.

Anti-science doesn't begin to describe them.

[salin]

18. let's cut to the chase... they don't believe that rape occurs.

Therefor women can't get pregnant from rape.

Rape is only a lie told by women. Because no man would actually rape a woman. All sex is consensual and women should stay in their place and consent. Oops not "should stay" - that should read: All sex is consensual and women always consent.

(Except to when they don't - but teabaggers don't accept that is the case.)

At least this seems to be the logical extension of their statements.

[CatWoman]

19. well, I'm happy you've cleared that up

[salin]

22. wish it was more complex

but it is becoming more clear with each utterance from akin and his supporters.

Glad to see you!

[TBF]

35. Thank you - that is exactly what they are saying. nt

[robertpaulsen]

20. That is EXACTLY what Akin said. He clarified that in an interview with Dana Loesch today.

Akin Clarifies ‘Legitimate Rape’ Comments: Women Make ‘False Claims’ About Being Raped

By Igor Volsky on Aug 21, 2012 at 1:56 pm

Rep. Todd Akin (R-MO) announced that he will continue with his race for the U.S. Senate, during an appearance on the Mike Huckabee radio show Tuesday afternoon, and clarified his claims that women who face “legitimate rape” cannot become pregnant.

Arguing that he misplaced the word “legitimate,” Akin explained — during a follow up interview with Dana Loesch — that he meant to argue that women sometimes lie about being raped:

AKIN: You know, Dr. Willke has just released a statement and part of his letter, I think he just stated it very clearly. He said, of course Akin never used the word legitimate to refer to the rapist, but to false claims like those made in Roe v. Wade and I think that simplifies it….. There isn’t any legitimate rapist…. [I was] making the point that there were people who use false claims, like those that basically created Roe v. Wade.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/08/21/721791/akin-clarifies-legitimate-rape-comments-women-make-false-claims-about-being-raped/?fb_action_ids=4003090868401&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=timeline_og&action_object_map={%224003090868401%22%3A10152038301090082}&action_type_map={%224003090868401%22%3A%22og.likes%22}&action_ref_map=[]

[abelenkpe]

30. Wtf?!

"He said, of course Akin never used the word legitimate to refer to the rapist, but to false claims like those made in Roe v. Wade and I think that simplifies it….. There isn’t any legitimate rapist…. making the point that there were people who use false claims, like those that basically created Roe v. Wade. "

??????

[robertpaulsen]

34. He's basically doubling down on his original statement and admitting his apology is phoney.

That's the problem that isn't going away: it's not about his words, it's about his mindset, which the GOP has proven through the draconian anti-choice platform they're enacting at this year's convention is a mindset they share with Akin - if a woman gets pregnant then the conception could not have occurred through "forcible" means, therefore any charge of rape by a pregnant woman is ipso facto a "false claim". As far as the word "legitimate" is concerned, not only is Akin not a legitimate Senate candidate, I don't even consider him to be a legitimately empathetic human being. He should not only resign from Congress, he should resign from the human race.

[abelenkpe]

39. Not sure any republicans

are legitimately empathetic.

[meow2u3]

40. Translation: Rapists lie about sex being consensual

[nadinbrzezinski]

21. If it is legitimate you will not get pregnant

therefore, if you get pregnant, you truly, really, cross your heart, really wanted it.

Hence, no abortion for you.

I know Rachel went through this yesterday... I understood this a while ago, if you can, watch that segment online.

Suffice it to say... have had this conversation with Republican WOMEN, just and clean living women do not, repeat after me, DO NOT, get pregnant... only lose women do. And if a real rape happened, you ain't gonna get pregnant sweetheart, so why the fuss? Accept the gift.

Yup, they are sick.

[Johonny]

24. same with honest rape and forcible rape

if he didn't beat you til you were dead, then you must of wanted it. Honest rape directly implies they think most women lie about rape because they think somehow the magic liberal society rewards them for lying about being raped.

I don't see the anti-abortion agenda different than the creationist or anti-global warming people. They all lie, smear and profit from filling people with hate. How do you have an "honest" discussion about rape or abortion with someone that basically believes fairy tales about women's bodies? Yet when we reacted disgusted with their view, they claim victim hood. Our intolerance with their intolerance is the "real" issue the media should discus not they're total lack of respect for science, the truth, women or even religion.

Republican women I talked to today claimed he misspoke and this is just media hype. This is THEIR PARTIES PLATFORM ON WOMEN, how is that misspeaking?

I feel bad for them, worse for the country these people hold, and will hold elected office.

[madrchsod]

23. who knows what these asshole think...

maybe they can`t tell the difference between rapes they watch on their computer or dvd or the ones in real life.

[niyad]

25. and sometimes the woman is accused of falsely claiming rape when the police and the da just don't

care to do anything about it, or she has been threatened if she goes through with the charges, etc., etc.

[calimary]

26. Yeah. Me too. "Legitimate rape." As opposed to WHAT???

What other kinds of rapes are there?

[hatrack]

27. Akin's stance, and (as of today) the GOP platform allow two possibilities:

1. "The bitch was lying."
2. "The bitch wanted it."

There, wasn't that simple?

[WillyT]

28. Did You See This ???

Link: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021169299

[lonestarnot]

29. That rape is legitimate and voter fraud exists in mass quantities.

Never should prollee expect much from nutfuckers.

[CrispyQ]

32. What they really want to say is that a woman can never be raped,

because our only two purposes in life is for men's pleasure & to be a vessel for babies. Therefore, it is not possible for a woman to be raped.

They are like Col. Jessup on "A Few Good Men." They want to say they ordered the code red, but they know the shit storm that will happen if they do. Akin came damned close & now Ryan has to back away from his forcible rape bill, but they want to say it & it's killing them that they can't.

[librechik]

33. they are saying that women lie about being raped in order to escape the ban on abortion

and the fact of the pregnancy, which wouldn't have happened if she was "legitimately" raped--should exempt her from the right to abortion. If the girl was innocent, there would have been no baby, see? So if there's a baby from a rape, slut, you get no abortion.

But this is a blessing because God meant to punish her by forcing her to give birth to the child, and give it away to good Christian parents. maybe next time she'll avoid being raped.

Unless she's black. In which case they hope she starves to death and the baby dies. How dare she ask for help.

[Bandit]

38. Get back in the kitchen and don't worry your pretty little head about such things

Us men know how to take care of such things. You only need to worry about what you will be fixing for your master for his meal....Do I actually need the tag?........OK