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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThis morning I saw my pain management specialist.
I don't take pain meds daily, but there are days when just to get out of bed and function I need them. With the new laws in Oklahoma my doctor has tons of paperwork we have to fill out. I have to see her every 3 months for an appointment unrelated to my pain, she cannot manipulate my back or treat me with pressure point injections, just renew my meds.
I know people get hooked on opioids, but punishing patients with chronic pain isn't fair either. Plus what they are making doctors to do be compliant, my doctor is terrified of not being compliant. The amount of paperwork is mind boggling.
0rganism
(23,956 posts)maybe check if some of those "alternative treatments" available in Colorado have an effect worth relocating for, if you know what i mean.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)Plus taking enough CBD oil to help me and I won't pass a urine test at my work.
0rganism
(23,956 posts)first, for having chronic pain, difficult to treat through a process made more onerous by increasing restrictions on opioids
second, for being unable to live where your pain could receive less intrusive assistance
third, for having to deal with urine tests in your workplace
i really hope things turn around for you.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,074 posts)You seem to be suggesting that the appointment for the pain prescription must be a separate appointment from other appointments to manipulate your back or treat you with pressure point injections.
I don't believe that is the case. The pain med laws are largely dictated by the feds - and off and on, I'm on them. They should be very similar everywhere. My appointments for medication that is governed by the same rule are always combined with other medical consultations.
(I agree with your general point - the imposition of face-to-face appointments every 3 months becasue some people on opioids are abusing the system is unconscionable. Just suggesting that if your doctor is insisting on separate appointments for medical care v. pain management that you push her a bit.)
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)I have to have two appointments every three months, one for the pain meds and one for manipulation. Sorry it is the law I checked to make sure. Oklahoma is special.
Ms. Toad
(34,074 posts)appointments for opioid prescriptions be limited solely to that end (unless the doctor you see for manipulation hasn't jumped through the hoops to prescribe pain meds - if you're seeing two docs, and only one can prescribe pain meds, you're out of luck).
Here's the relevant portion of the best practices guidance to physicians:
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Patient-Provider Agreement [Pain Management Agreement]: Practitioner shall enter into a Patient-Provider Agreement [Pain Management Agreement] with a patient: (1) at the time of the third prescription for opioid or Schedule II drug; (2) If patient requires more than three months of pain management; (3) if patient is prescribed benzodiazepines and opioids together; (4) if patient requires more than 100 mg morphine milligram equivalents (MME); (5) If patient is pregnant; or (6) with the parent or guardian if the patient is a minor. 63 O.S. §2-309I(I); 63 O.S. §2-309I(B)(6),(7)
Perhaps it is an office policy - or an insurance requirement? If the former is the case, you may be able to get around it by changing practitioners (not necessarily a happy option); if it is by the latter, you are stuck with insurance company rules.
Not meaning to be a pain - but you shouldn't be reqiured to pay for (and go to the trouble of having) two separate appointments, when it does not appear anything in the law prevents the opioid assessment and refill from being done in conjunction with other medical care.
I've been through this with the laws surrounding allergy meds and successfully beat back pharmacist imposed quantity limitations that they were blaming on either state or federal anti-meth laws. They were spouting nonsense and, once I brought the law to their attention (bringing a copy in to the pharmacy), the nonsense ended. I've also been through this insurance/office policy with a doctor who insisted that I pay $25/pop for a 3-5 weekly blood draws (essentially a finger prick) when my insurance covered them without additional charge if I went to a freestanding lab. I don't like people getting snookered by insurance or doctors who like to point the finger of blame elsewhere.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)And that appointment is not covered by my insurance, it is all me. I will ask them about it, but they said it was the law as they understood it.
Ms. Toad
(34,074 posts)I'd be checking with my insurance company. Since the appointment is required** for medical treatment, I don't see how insurance can get away with not paying for it.
**There is an asterisk in the snippets I posted that said a 90-day face-to-face assessment was not necessarily required - but I didn't track that reference any further since the face-to-face bit is pretty standard. I just went through the acute pain (spiral fracture in my tibia) 2-week checkup in Ohio. Fortunately, I didn't need a refill - but the law pretty much tracks OK law. You get one week (6-days, actually) then have to be seen before a second prescription can be issued.
But yours sounds like a combination of office policy and insurance. With my battle with office policy, I went through multiple outside labs before I could find one that could process the results same-day without additional charge. I was motivated because I wanted to keep the doctor - but ultimately, if my only option was to pay $75 - $125 a week - I'd have found a new one. But that's not an easy decision.
best of luck. I've been railing against these artificially imposed pain management requirements since they started being imposed as a financial and physical tax on people who already have way too much on their plates.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)They help me when I need it, I don't abuse them.
Ms. Toad
(34,074 posts)I have chronic pain (but not at the level I need opioids for). But periodically I need them to manage acute pain - when I get them, I use them judiciously and hoard whatever is left. I strung 22 pills out over 11 days this time.
Unfortunately, as they get stingier - I have fewer left (only 2 this time), and I used most of my hoarded stash up on rotator cuff pain over the last several months (some of which were a decade old). That makes me nervous. I have a spouse with chronic kidney stones. Our only alternative for that excruciating pain is (1) hoarded pills or (2) a $100 trip to the ER, since the first visit with her urologist is generally 2-3 weeks out.
Like you - I don't abuse them. When prescribed, I generally use fewer than permitted (e.g. 2/day, instead of 4/day). When I take them on my own - it is very rare - and only for acute pain that is too intense for OTC pain meds - and generally in consultation with a doctor to keep me comfortable until an appointment is available.
The impact on me is relatively minimal (no way to build up a new stash for emergencies) - I can't imaging having to go through this every three months (cost, physical imposition, and being treated as someone who abuses drugs - i.e. random pill counts & blood tests)
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)Please take care of yourself. We are all going to end up on the black market before long so someone doesn't abuse them.
Horse with no Name
(33,956 posts)It is their understanding of it and their office policy made by that understanding that will dictate what you can and cant do.
I totally get it. I work for a large hospital system and deal with chronic pain sufferers. We are at the mercy of those hired to interpret the laws and institute policy.
My interpretation is different but that doesnt matter.
I have to enforce the rules that they make.
Good luck to you.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)snowybirdie
(5,229 posts)Living with chronic pain is awful. Hopefully, more sensible rules on cannabis will become law soon! Good luck
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)that are powering the black market in opioids. Very many people simply obtain the meds they need through other channels.
I'm not recommending that, but it's what's going on out there.
We need a much better system, but there is so much profit to be found outside of the usual channels that there may be a tie from that to the increased regulations. I don't know, but...
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)You will never stop people from misusing drugs. My problem is penalizing those of us who need them off and on or on a daily basis to survive. Help the addiction, not by making me be in pain 24/7.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,074 posts)I just filled an oxycodone prescription plus two others for under $5. Street value of my oxy prescription - $120
Claritie Pixie
(2,199 posts)I was suffering from chronic pain after a car accident. Yoga saved my life.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)Claritie Pixie
(2,199 posts)The goal is not to get around your spinal fusion thats fixed, Ms. Rosetti told me. The goal is figuring out how to support it. The goal is comfort and longevity.
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/28/nyregion/yoga-classes-even-with-a-fused-spine.html
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)I have spondylolythesis which means my spine moves out of position.
Baitball Blogger
(46,731 posts)On the other hand, there are irresponsible doctors who need to be watched because they are prescribing medication that they themselves use and what's a better way to retain a patient than to get them addicted to a prescription? Worse, they might have a policy of delegating patients to their Physician Assistants who are prescribing medication that should be reserved for M.D.s to diagnose.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)A person who has an addiction problem, will move on to another drug when this one is not available.
Baitball Blogger
(46,731 posts)They are probably trying to follow the plumes to the source of the problems. Also, don't ignore how they're keeping track of the patients, making sure that addicts aren't the ones creating their own problems by visiting various doctors. With digital records, it's not difficult to follow. But there you go. Someone has to force the paper trail.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,731 posts)the results. I wish i could be more supportive, besides saying that I feel for you.