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pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 03:45 PM Jan 2019

Prof Lawrence Tribe endorses Seth Abramson's devastating analysis of Alan Dershowitz's

recent statements about the Mueller investigation.





Laurence Tribe

@tribelaw
The student deconstructs the professor. This devastating thread may be painful for @AlanDersh to read, but its purpose isn’t to wound. Its purpose is to blow away a dangerously deceptive smokescreen that could easily be used to undermine those holding Trump accountable.
Seth Abramson

@SethAbramson
(THREAD) My former Harvard Law professor, @AlanDersh, is making claims about Mueller that are unfortunately incorrect as a matter of law, fact, and analysis of both fact and law. Here I do my best to correct his misapprehensions and misstatements. I hope you'll read on and share.



https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1090834661507559424.html

1/ First, here's what Alan publicly wrote me earlier today via tweet: "Mueller crimes fit into three categories: process crimes that occurred after he was appointed; financial crimes unrelated to the Russia investigation; and crimes by non-Americans." Every part of this is wrong.

2/ Special Counsel Bob Mueller was appointed in May 2017. According to Alan Dershowitz, *none* of Mueller's indictments are of Americans who committed their crimes prior to May 2017—*unless* (Alan says) the crimes in question were "financial crimes." This is factually incorrect.

3/ George Papadopoulos is an American who committed the crime Mueller charged him with pre-May '17—and it wasn't a financial crime. So already Alan's claim—that all Mueller indictments fall into one of 3 categories—is demonstrably false. And frankly it wasn't hard to demonstrate.

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cab67

(2,993 posts)
2. Dershowitz is a contrarian.
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 05:09 PM
Jan 2019

I work in Academia - I know the type. There are academics whose whole program is based less on creating new knowledge than on disagreeing with what others are saying. They may not even believe their positions - what matters is the attention they get from arguing with well-supported concepts.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
7. +1, they are most useless too because oft their positions are contrary to living realities or based
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 05:47 PM
Jan 2019

... mostly off of semantics

True Blue American

(17,986 posts)
14. Dershowitz
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 06:34 PM
Jan 2019

Used to make great deal of sense. Now, he sounds like an old man wih dementia, just like Rudy.

Wht happened to them? Rudyhas always been in love with himself but neither one aged well.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
16. Worse than that, he might be part of Russia's blackmailing.
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 06:46 PM
Jan 2019

He was one of the people involved with Jeffrey Epstein, the pedophile who got off with a very light sentence in Florida. He was Epstein's lawyer, and he acknowledged having a "massage" at Epstein's house. But he said it wasn't one of the girls who later, as adults, made the sexual assault claims against Epstein. He said it was very old Russian lady who gave him the massage.

PJMcK

(22,037 posts)
3. Great post - Kick and Recommended
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 05:20 PM
Jan 2019

The extended thread is quite long but brilliantly explained. Well done, Mr. Abramson.

Good catch, pnwmom!

Calista241

(5,586 posts)
4. I think we're overusing terms like 'devastate' and 'destroy' and 'annihilate' when it comes
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 05:25 PM
Jan 2019

to social media.

 

DoctorJoJo

(1,134 posts)
5. Douchebagowitz Will Be Forever Linked At the Hip to Jeffrey Epstein, ...
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 05:28 PM
Jan 2019

... who trafficked in underage girls for sex. Trump also was a fellow traveler. The bribe of the NY authorities that allowed them all to skate is one of the great injustices of our time!

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
8. Seth has been great with everything Trump/Russia related
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 05:52 PM
Jan 2019

He is getting the Big Picture while the mainstream media is reporting on the day to day events and rumors.

Abramson used to be a student of Dershowitz at Harvard.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
11. All these people who used to have some reputation, become trash when they hook their start to Trump
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 06:05 PM
Jan 2019

Would you like to swing on a star,
And be better off than you are,
Or would you rather be a pig?

Little LuLu taught us well.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,349 posts)
13. "repeatedly and deliberately wrong"
Thu Jan 31, 2019, 06:31 PM
Jan 2019

49/ We've all heard of the importance of motive—and, more broadly, state of mind or mens rea—in proving a criminal case. The so-called "unrelated" financial crimes Mueller brought against Manafort and Gates *provide the entire context and reasoning behind their Russia collusion*.
50/ Who knows if it's Trump's pre-election collusion with Israelis, prurient stuff involving Trump pals, or something else that so diminishes Alan on Trump issues. I really don't care. What I care about is him being repeatedly and deliberately wrong when I *know* he knows better.

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