Cops are damned if they do, and damned if they don't. Green Bay, WI edition.

[Archae]

In Green Bay, WI, a guy was busted on probation violations, while he was in the cop car somehow he went from hands cuffed in back of him, to hands in front.
He was yelling at the cops at their station, that he was going to kill himself and any cop who comes near.
Due to the fact he was heavily dressed, (it was really cold that day,) cops couldn't tell if he had a gun or not.
So...

He was shot by the cops.

He died, and the local DA says the shooting was justified.

But the family of the perp is going to sue, and says the perp was such a good boy, quiet, never did anything wrong...

https://www.wbay.com/content/news/DA-to-announce-findings-of-Brown-County-Jail-shooting-Friday-505054762.html

[rzemanfl]

1. People experienced in being handcuffed can step through them.

I have seen it done. I don't know how that would be possible in heavy winter clothing. Sounds like suicide by cop to me.

[GemDigger]

6. You have to have really long arms or be double jointed. I am tiny and limber and I couldn't get

my hands close enough to my butt to slip through.

[Demsrule86]

8. Cops probably wanted to kill him and put the handcuff in the front so they could do it.

[USALiberal]

2. Very little if any downside to just shooting, they seldom get charged. nt

[marble falls]

3. And that is the my big take away from this: cops always have the excuse ready - he might have a gun.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

4. Poor, poor cops.

[Adrahil]

5. So we don't know he's NOT a danger....

Is now justification for killing him?

[Demsrule86]

7. Are you kidding with this? The cops should be fired and prosecuted...might have a gun is not

justification for an execution.

[Archae]

9. Oh right, they should have just sat back and trusted to luck.

Guess what.
I don't consider ALL cops to be corrupt, and clearly this was a guy off his nut, threatening cops and himself.

Above, someone said it might be "suicide by cop."
That is possible, and it DOES happen.

[USALiberal]

10. He's fucking handcuffed! And maybe tackling or tazing him worth an effort! Wow! nt

[Archae]

12. On WISN they showed the rest of the footage they had from the shooting.

The guy was using his fingers to "simulate" having a gun under his hoodie.

He was also strung out on meth.

[flotsam]

11. Riddle me this-

In what police procedure manual are you taught to arrest a suspect, cuff him, and load him into your unit without searching him? They murdered that man and defending them is reprehensible.

[LiberalFighter]

14. Yep

[Demsrule86]

17. Guess what...what if you are frightened sort of person don't be a cop. No lethal force without

a damn good reason, and if you can't handle the job then quit.. What we need to do absolve the taxpayers from paying for these monsters and let the police union pay. A 'I think he had a gun' could be a reason to kill anyone. It gives a cop a license to kill and must stop.

[Mosby]

13. if you read the article

It's pretty clear tubby escalated the situation about as much as he could. Still, the police could have handled the situation differently, though that might have involved a bit more risk.

Full disclosure, I did what he did when I was a juvenile, after the handcuffs were applied and I was tossed in the back of the cop car I thought I would be clever and move my hands from the back to the front. When the cops noticed they didn't think it was cute, but they didn't shoot me either.

[hunter]

15. Most cops don't have the temperament to use guns wisely.

I don't give a shit what they were afraid of.

[treestar]

16. You mean his hands were free?

Still, warm clothes can't be enough to assume he has a gun. Though he did say he would kill any cop who comes near.