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Joe Manchin stood and cheered a call to ban some abortions at the SOTU (Original Post) Polybius Feb 2019 OP
Aaaand they're 2naSalit Feb 2019 #1
Can't wait for the "well, he has to get re-elected" crowd to chime in. Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2019 #2
Do you have a plan for making up for his seat treestar Feb 2019 #17
If he's going to vote with Trump more times than not, he's not a help. Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2019 #22
He still counts next time treestar Feb 2019 #25
Oh yeah BannonsLiver Feb 2019 #26
I grew up in ND and live in WI. Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2019 #31
I wish I could hear the words in AOC's head as she looks upon Joe. aikoaiko Feb 2019 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author NCChomskyan Feb 2019 #7
True, that could make up for Manchin's seat going to a Repub. treestar Feb 2019 #18
Actually a win win for both AOC and Joes voting bases. Funtatlaguy Feb 2019 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author NCChomskyan Feb 2019 #4
She's got him in the crosshairs jcgoldie Feb 2019 #6
He is honest about the position dsc Feb 2019 #5
AOC for the win. GeorgeGist Feb 2019 #8
Careful...he has a fan club here. QC Feb 2019 #9
That man standing in the photo....Manchin....is applauding for the control of democrank Feb 2019 #10
Theres a card carrying Dem for ya... disillusioned73 Feb 2019 #11
HE'S A REAL DEMOCRAT GODDAMMIT!11!!11 QC Feb 2019 #21
So much this. Thanks for saying it. n/t ms liberty Feb 2019 #27
Found this somewhere on the internet. Hong Kong Cavalier Feb 2019 #12
I see what they did there with DINOsaurs ProudLib72 Feb 2019 #15
LOL Hong Kong Cavalier Feb 2019 #19
Lol. +++++++++++++ KPN Feb 2019 #29
It's OK because he has to do this to stay in office in WVA. Right? jalan48 Feb 2019 #13
no and right ..... nt Fullduplexxx Feb 2019 #24
He's a dick theboss Feb 2019 #14
Do they really not understand ? treestar Feb 2019 #16
An awful lot of people don't seem to realize that. Mariana Feb 2019 #32
The author is an anti-abortion hack and the daily caller is a right wing shithole. Scurrilous Feb 2019 #20
Perhaps, but the author didn't make Manchin stand, applaud, and smile Polybius Feb 2019 #33
He's anti-abortion. He also voted for the ACA and against all the bills to repeal it. Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #23
Primary this DINO. KPN Feb 2019 #28

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,921 posts)
2. Can't wait for the "well, he has to get re-elected" crowd to chime in.
Thu Feb 7, 2019, 10:55 AM
Feb 2019

Along with the "at least he's a Dem" crowd, too.

This guy can go fuck himself. And I wish looks could literally kill, because AOC is clearly on her finishing move with that look.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
17. Do you have a plan for making up for his seat
Thu Feb 7, 2019, 12:04 PM
Feb 2019

When it goes to a Repub? What state can we replace that number with? I don't care how the WV voters feel about abortion if the Turtle is no longer Senate leader. Unless Roberts does the right thing, then they already have the Supreme Court, so it doesn't matter? A Democratic majority would avoid another seat going to someone who will vote to overturn Roe v. Wade. So you are willing to have that happen, because it is more important to get rid of this conservative Democrat from a red state? Sometimes I don't understand people.

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,921 posts)
22. If he's going to vote with Trump more times than not, he's not a help.
Thu Feb 7, 2019, 12:16 PM
Feb 2019

It's not like we have the majority.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
25. He still counts next time
Thu Feb 7, 2019, 12:54 PM
Feb 2019

and the map is favorable to us. If we have the Senate, no more right wing justices.

Plus do you have something proving he votes with Rs more? I had seen before that he voted with Ds mostly. Only if we can afford his seat going to an R, who votes with Dotard 100% of the time and will vote for SCOTUS justices that will vote to overturn Roe v. Wade. Roberts might still follow the law. But if they get another one they win. Punish Manchin only if it does not hurt us. Or find another way to punish him.

It is up to WV voters anyway. I'm surprised they have a D Senator at all. I drove through there a year or two ago, and the billboards and the churches were everywhere. Three white crosses along the interstate frequently. You could tell when you crossed the border. It became instantly different from the neighboring state. Poorer looking and Gawd everywhere.

BannonsLiver

(16,397 posts)
26. Oh yeah
Thu Feb 7, 2019, 12:57 PM
Feb 2019

By that I’m sure you mean people with facts and firsthand knowledge of what red states are like politically for Dems. Reality stuff. You know, not everyone lives in Vermont.

aikoaiko

(34,172 posts)
3. I wish I could hear the words in AOC's head as she looks upon Joe.
Thu Feb 7, 2019, 10:55 AM
Feb 2019


But on the other hand, Joe will be able to use this photo in a campaign ad and help us keep a seat in the Senate.

Either we need to keep winning seats elsewhere and make Joe unneeded or we need to find a vote-whisperer who can speak to 51% of the voting population of WV.

Response to aikoaiko (Reply #3)

treestar

(82,383 posts)
18. True, that could make up for Manchin's seat going to a Repub.
Thu Feb 7, 2019, 12:05 PM
Feb 2019

the Senate majority leader has so much power - able to stop things from being voted on, as we have seen. It is worth keeping Manchin (as there is not way WV will vote for a Bernie type) to add up to a majority.

Response to Polybius (Original post)

dsc

(52,163 posts)
5. He is honest about the position
Thu Feb 7, 2019, 10:56 AM
Feb 2019

and was elected either because of or in spite of it. It isn't my position, but it is his and he hasn't kept it quiet.

QC

(26,371 posts)
9. Careful...he has a fan club here.
Thu Feb 7, 2019, 11:16 AM
Feb 2019

Frankly, he always seems ecstatic when he's in Trump's presence. I thought he was gonna roll over on his back and pee on himself like a puppy.

But he's a REAL DEMOCRAT!!!11!!1!!1 so it's OK!

democrank

(11,096 posts)
10. That man standing in the photo....Manchin....is applauding for the control of
Thu Feb 7, 2019, 11:33 AM
Feb 2019

reproductive decisions for all those women seated behind him. And I’m supposed to be grateful he has a (D) after his name? What a nice smile he offered up for Trump.

Mariana

(14,858 posts)
32. An awful lot of people don't seem to realize that.
Thu Feb 7, 2019, 01:52 PM
Feb 2019

They believe, or pretend to believe not only that women routinely decide to have abortions in the third trimester because they just didn't bother to do it sooner, but also that doctors routinely perform medically unnecessary, elective abortions in the third trimester. In fact, such abortions are illegal in most states, and even where it isn't illegal, it just doesn't happen. It is as you said.

I don't know how to go about educating people about the reality, when so many of the preachers, politicians, TV/radio personalities and writers are spreading the lies.

Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)
20. The author is an anti-abortion hack and the daily caller is a right wing shithole.
Thu Feb 7, 2019, 12:13 PM
Feb 2019

Surely you can find a better source for this line of attack.

Polybius

(15,437 posts)
33. Perhaps, but the author didn't make Manchin stand, applaud, and smile
Fri Feb 8, 2019, 01:43 AM
Feb 2019

Last edited Sat Feb 9, 2019, 01:30 PM - Edit history (1)

He did that all on his own.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
23. He's anti-abortion. He also voted for the ACA and against all the bills to repeal it.
Thu Feb 7, 2019, 12:18 PM
Feb 2019

It's either him or a Republican in that seat. Take your pick.

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