Nancy Pelosi just threw some serious shade at Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's 'Green New Deal'

[progressoid]

(CNN)Thursday is a big day for Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. The New York freshman Democrat, who has rapidly become one of the biggest stars in her party, will formally introduce her much-touted "Green New Deal" -- a package of legislation aimed at, among other things, addressing the threat posed by climate change.

Nancy Pelosi isn't all that impressed. Asked about the "Green New Deal" in an interview with Politico on Wednesday, Pelosi dropped this amazing bit of shade on it:

"It will be one of several or maybe many suggestions that we receive. The green dream, or whatever they call it, nobody knows what it is, but they're for it, right?"

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/07/politics/pelosi-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-green-new-deal/index.html

[Autumn]

1. Wow.

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Link to tweet

[NurseJackie]

68. ...

[George II]

101. Oh noooos! Betcha they consume fossil fuels driving to work, too.

[rgbecker]

95. Here's the Resolution, Nancy, easy reading and straight forward.

https://www.markey.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Green%20New%20Deal%20Resolution%20SIGNED.pdf

[Demsrule86]

108. I don't agree it is possible in ten years...and there is little indication of the cost in terms of

both money and jobs. People agree about global change but after one job is lost that will change...it is a very soft agreement. Nancy is correct.

[2naSalit]

2. If it's not the only proposal out there

we should hear about the best several. The Green New Deal is a concept without much detail, which should be left to work out. But there are other proposals which have been buried for years. I hope that there will be a good legislation come of these proposal. We do needed to do something years ago.

[ehrnst]

43. ....

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1127123344

[2naSalit]

47. I wasn't on DU back then

But I recall this event and it's one of those of which I speak.

Thanks for the link!

I was in the trenches for a long time before I had to sit down.

[ehrnst]

59. This is a post from yesterday. (nt)

[2naSalit]

61. Yes and

The title at the link:

2007: Clinton Applauds Passage of Green Jobs Energy Amendment

[ehrnst]

88. I mentioned it because you said you were not on DU back then

so I thought you were referring to it being on DU back then.

[2naSalit]

96. Okay.

I was still working back in 2007 when this amendment event was taking place. It's all good.

[PufPuf23]

121. That link is for solutions such as job training programs to foster green energy

It is a neoliberal approach.

There have been no direct federal hires since Reagan for economic or other stimulus..

Roosevelts New Deal was mainly Keynesian and direct federal hire to get people working and money flowing through the economy to bring the country out of the Depression. Programs such as the WPA, TVA, CCC, etc. were direct federal hires that provided jobs, stimulated the economy, and built infrastructure (think Golden Gate bridge) we enjoy until today.

Up until the late 1970s under POTUS Carter there were federal economic and job providing that had direct federal hire (think CETA, NYC. etc.).

So a neoliberal approach is going to be job training programs, subsidized loans, tax considerations and the like but no direct federal hires or performance of infrastructure building. New infrastructure would be built by corporations and their subcontractors with no new federal jobs, even temporary. Direct federal hire to build infrastructure would provide jobs and in many cases would be more cost effective, not having to worry about corporate profits margin and stock price.

AOC's Green New Deal would be a mix of Keynesian and neoliberal solutions, not just neoliberal. The Keynesian stimulus is unwanted by some, partially because folks would see it in many cases is just too darn more successful and cost effective.

[rgbecker]

93. Well this one is easy to read and straight forward. Here it is.

https://www.markey.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Green%20New%20Deal%20Resolution%20SIGNED.pdf

[2naSalit]

97. Thanks.

It's always good to have a copy of the actual document.

[Charlotte Little]

3. I suspect Madame Speaker

would like her freshmen to not overreach. AOC does run the risk of burning out in the spotlight if she pushes too fast too soon. I get that people like her on here and that she is a breath of fresh air. But she's also very, very green (no pun intended) and needs to be seasoned a tad.

Before anyone pounces on me, I like AOC. But I don't view her as some superstar and she has gotten her facts wrong, which doesn't bode well for her once the honeymoon phase ends.

[samnsara]

6. im with you.. i dont believe in chasing every shiny star..

.there are MANY new freshmen who are just as exciting and deserving of the attn. I havent seen any superstar behavior from any of them yet. They will all demonstrate their strengths...and weaknesses...and we should sit back and support all of them instead of raising one up above the others because....why? Im confused about that part.

[customerserviceguy]

29. The problem with AOC

is that she's sucking the oxygen out of the room from every Democratic candidate for president right now. It's hard for them to get their message out as it is, with dozens of other stories swirling around as distractions.

And as long as there's a Faux Snooze, they will never let AOC's honeymoon end. They love to use her to frighten the bejesus out of the Trump base when she's right on, and to make them laugh their asses off when she misses the mark.

[Doremus]

40. I hear you but the sooner we stop running away from issues that might be frightening to some

and the sooner we confront these same issues with strength and savvy like AOC does, the better for us, both the party and the country.

People have been craving this strength for years. We always acquiesce. I believe the majority of Americans will enthusiastically support a leader who shows these qualities, not run from them in fear as you suggest. Dump's base, what is it 37%?, shows us that the vast majority of the electorate is capable of independent thought. Let's aim for them and let the bottom feeders do what they will.

[customerserviceguy]

58. Those issues

should spend more time being brought up by the people who are actually eligible to be the next President who will be charged with the job of doing something about them from the most powerful office in this land.

This is how Trump vanquished his enemies in the GOP nomination fight. He simply made his cruel, mindless drivel the story, and did not let up on his opponents. I mean, for crissakes, did you see it coming three or four years ago that Jeb Bush, with all his name recognition among Republicons, and all his connections, and all the money he could tap, wouldn't win a primary or caucus in a single state??!!

Is AOC even capable of saying the phrase, "No comment..." as she walks away from a reporter with a microphone? Can she find even one Twitter criticism of her, or her positions to just ignore? Or does she just think of the next nominee as some kind of placeholder until she's Constitutionally old enough to take a crack at getting the job herself?

Let Faux Snooze play her for fun and profit, the rest of the media needs to give some time to somebody who will actually end our national nightmare. I don't even mind that Bernie and Harris gave after-SOTU speeches, they're more likely to be the nominee than Stacy Abrams.

[Doremus]

75. She's a member of congress and has every right to speak her mind.

It's her job. Boo hoo you don't like it? Tough. She's a strong woman with the overwhelming support of her district and many other quarters. She's confronting age-old issues in a straightforward, unflinching manner. Good for her ... and us!

[customerserviceguy]

80. And I do expect her to have opinions

but I'm asking her to take some note of the fact that her utterances get way more attention than those of whoever our eventual nominee will be in 2020.

Let somebody else who is currently qualified to be President have a moment or two in the sun.

[Lotusflower70]

52. I agree 100%

Nancy Pelosi has the experience to know how to get things done. Obviously she appreciates the youth movement but she also knows when and how to school the newbies when needed. She has busted her hump and the media hype around AOC is annoying. I have nothing against her but she needs to slow down a bit. She needs to learn how things are done and then she needs to get to work.

[at140]

76. Nancy has the knowledge of issues and gravitas

It will be interesting to see how Nancy handles the media star AOC.

[shanny]

4. oooooo, wrong side of history on this one, Madam Speaker

the last election should have been a wake-up call: anti-rump is not enough

[Apollyonus]

16. AOC seems to think that all her ideas are new

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when, in fact, the "green new deal" has been around since the 60's and President Obama tried to enact it.

I'm glad Speaker Pelosi curbed the exuberant and effervescent enthusiasm and exposed it to the sunshine of reality.

AOC's devotees need to realize that the US government is a big ship and cannot be navigated on the wishful thinking of one person always wanting to be in the spotlight.

[shanny]

20. lol

yes, in an hour of crisis the most important thing to do* is curb exuberant and effervescent enthusiasm so that, by dawg, we don't change anything too quickly...even though after decades of denial and inaction we are quickly running out of time.

tick tock

*if she did, in anyone's mind outside the fever swamps of the bothsiderist media

[Ferrets are Cool]

26. So, Madame Speaker should

"exuberant and effervescent enthusiasm" of the new congress persons? I strongly disagree with that mindset.

[Mariana]

38. If it's been around since the 60's and President Obama tried to enact it

then Speaker Pelosi should be very familiar with it. So why is the Speaker acting like she's never heard of it, and has no idea what they're talking about?

"It will be one of several or maybe many suggestions that we receive. The green dream, or whatever they call it, nobody knows what it is, but they're for it, right?"

[ehrnst]

49. +1000

[at140]

77. +100

[rgbecker]

94. Here is the Resolution. Good start and pretty straight forward.

https://www.markey.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Green%20New%20Deal%20Resolution%20SIGNED.pdf

[liberalnarb]

98. +1,000,000

[liberalnarb]

99. *Ocean swallows Florida*

"Well, at least we curbed that exuberant and effervescent enthusiasm"

[Apollyonus]

107. I don't subscribe to alarmist predictions

I go by science.

We have to cut fossil fuel use and go to sustainable and clean sources -- that I agree on.

However, any action will require the cooperation of all the stakeholders. We will not convert all houses to solar and wind or all cars to electric overnight.

We do have about 15-20 years (by scientific studies.) I agree we are wasting time and something needs to be done but it cannot be done precipitously or we may end up hurting a lot of people in the process.

Charity begins at home and every person pro climate change should first solarize their home.

It is like I say to anti-choice people -- first adopt a child and then talk about your anti-choice views.

[liberalnarb]

110. Does that mean you don't believe the conclusion by the IPCC that came out earlier this year?

[George II]

48. No, she's on the RIGHT side of history. Earlier in the day Speaker Pelosi...

...named Cortez to the newly formed committee on climate change.

[former9thward]

84. Except she didn't.

Pelosi names climate change panel, Ocasio-Cortez isn't on it

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/pelosi-names-climate-change-panel-ocasio-cortez-not-among-members-n968896

[George II]

85. Yes, she's "not among members", but she was invited to be among the members....

Pelosi told reporters that she had invited Ocasio-Cortez to be on the panel and that she declined.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/07/pelosi-climate-change-panel-1154847

[ehrnst]

91. Interesting. (nt)

[liberalnarb]

100. Says she wants to focus on the "legislative end" of the issue.

Newsweek

[ehrnst]

90. By that standard, there are many in the Senate who are on the wrong side of history

some of whom are running for POTUS.

[PeeJ52]

5. That's an opinion piece of Chris "Sleeza" Cillizza

He's another of those both siders to me like Chuck Toad. I didn't get where what she said was "shade". Later on she went on to say, "Quite frankly I haven't seen it, but I do know that it's enthusiastic, and we welcome all the enthusiasm that's out there," she said at her weekly news conference. "I'm very excited about it all, and I welcome the Green New Deal and any other proposals."

Sleeza is just trying to stir some crap and keep his name in the news. He's a narcissist like tRump to me. He says stuff just to get attention and doesn't believe what he says.

[PeeJ52]

12. Agreed and much better said...

Thanks!

[at140]

79. Thanks for the reminder that Media is a business

and thrives on stirring controversial issues.

[brush]

7. Perspective, people. repugs in Congress have been blocking...

green alternative energy proposals for years, which surely contain many of the "Green New Deal" initiatives.

And then of course there are green energy planks in the Dem party platform.

The Speaker is aware of all of this.

[Achilleaze]

8. Very disappointing. The Speaker is missing a crucial wave

[nolabear]

9. Read the entire article. It says something very different later.

Nancy has made climate change a flagship issue. They posit she might be against a startover rather than being on board. And her subsequent quote welcomes AOC’s introduction of her ideas.

[KPN]

10. I like Nancy Pelosi a lot! We could not possibly have a better Speaker at this time. But she's

letting the customs of her era get in the way on this one. Slighting AOC is inappropriate and unnecessary. That's my Point 1.

It strikes me based on interactions I've had and observed that today's young people are by and large unwilling to keep quiet and fall in line for the sake of getting along in a system they perceive as failing their and, without dramatic correction, future generations.

Our more senior leaders will have to adapt if they want to continue to lead. That means having thicker skin and not getting hung up on past custom or tradition. They can start by better and fully understanding where these young people are coming from. Our world will very soon be theirs, and they are urgently concerned about it's present trajectory; it's social, economic and environmental sustainability. Rightfully so in my view.

Point 2: Chris Cillizza is an arrogant pissant. He consistently let's his own self importance get in the way of objective journalism. This has become painfully obvious over recent years and is on full display in this particular article. He is in a nutshell part of the old guard and won't be easily pushed aside by newcomers.

[EffieBlack]

18. "Our more senior leaders will have to adapt if they want to continue to lead."

Do you think that young leaders have any adapting to do? If so, what do you think that would entail? If not, why not?

[KPN]

30. I think they are. They just have a different perspective

on the political parties and our overall system. AOC has been very gracious overall. Nothing wrong with speaking up — especially about what she is. So, in short — No.

[EffieBlack]

31. How exactly are they adapting?

[KPN]

33. Ask them. I'm sure they are. I did in every job lI ever

had. You are making an issue out of following the cultural rules that have been in place for decades. In the last 10 years or so of my career, I saw young people come in and change our organization’s culture significantly (against the preference of existing leaders) but they also adapted to quite a bit. I am not surprised by this or the reaction by those who are/have been already there. I see nothing wrong and a lot of positive in it, just like I eventually did in my workplace. On balance, the upstarts made my organization a better place overall. Did I like their attitude in the beginning? No. But the reality is they forced positive improvements that otherwise would not have happened.

[Autumn]

22. The first quote was on Wednesday. The second was on Thursday, maybe after she was told

what it contained, or as Nancy said "what it is" since the Green New Deal was released on Thursday AOC and others. But IMO that in no way excuses the snarkiness of her comment on Wednesday.

[Mariana]

114. We've been told, elsewhere in this thread

that the Green New Deal idea has been around for decades, and that President Obama tried to enact it. If that's true, then it makes zero sense that Speaker Pelosi is acting like she's never heard of it, and has no idea what it's about.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11789137

[Autumn]

115. You can ask for a link but you won't get it.

[zipplewrath]

32. Pelosi has an agenda

She's going to lead, and she is not going to let any member alter her agenda. I suspect Pelosi is biding her time and looking to leverage what AOC brings to the table when the time is right. She may also be waiting for the opportunity to "bring her into the fold" when Pelosi is ready, not to mention AOC.

The author seems to be trying to create a conflict where it isn't obvious to me that any exists.

[KPN]

34. I agree about the author. But I do think Pelosi

is letting old school attitudes (go along to get along, pay your dues first, etc.) influence at least the response she had to this particular question. It wasn’t necessary.

[ehrnst]

54. Her "era" is clearly "now."

Interesting how often women are considered "past their era" once they get past childbearing age.

Nancy shows this to be fallacy. She's delivering the goods.

Reading any news for the past month makes that pretty obvious.

[KPN]

74. I'm a big fan of Mancy Pelosi. She is definitely

the right person for the Speaker job now — in the Trump “era”. No arguments from me about that.

Actually, let me edit that. She’s just the best person for the job among Democrats now, in the era of GOP war on democracy, civil rights, and the working class.

[shanny]

87. Well said.

[George II]

102. "Slighting is inappropriate and unnecessary"? If anything, the "slighting" was the other way....

....Pelosi invited her to be a member of the committee, but she turned it down.

[KPN]

111. Yeah. I didn't know that at the time I posted. Had I, I wouldn't have used the term "slighted"

and would have left it at "inappropriate and unnecessary" for the Party leader to behave that way. As I've said many times, I really like and have always liked Nancy Pelosi -- a lot. This was one of those times when she didn't measure up to who she is and should be in my opinion. I still support her -- it was just not necessary as leader to spite AOC, Markey et al.

[George II]

112. Once again - Pelosi did NOT "spite" her or do anything else that can be negatively characterized -

She was asked to be on that committee and she declined. How is that "spiting"?

[KPN]

113. No? How about make a snarky remark then. Like your rose colored glasses George.

[George II]

116. Did you SEE what Pelosi said or did you just read it? FYI, here's a little bit more....

Pelosi:

“It will be one of several or maybe many suggestions that we receive,” she said. “The green dream or whatever they call it, nobody knows what it is, but they’re for it right?”

But Ocasio-Cortez didn’t seem to mind Pelosi's remarks on her flagship climate change proposal, much less calling it by the wrong name. She did not “consider that to be a dismissive term. I think it’s a great term.”

Is she wearing "rose colored glasses" too?

https://www.newsweek.com/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-climate-change-green-new-deal-1322754

[KPN]

117. No, she's being appropriately diplomatic.

[George II]

118. You're saying that she didn't tell the truth to Newsweek?

[Horizens]

13. House Speaker

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Nancy Pelosi's statement is 100% right on target "Green New Deal" is headline without content or substance and the idea - with the exact same goals has been discussed and written about WITH details.

[WhiteTara]

27. She is actually Speaker of the House

She runs the show; not just the majority. She's been around so long she knows where all the good legislation is buried.

[EX500rider]

120. "Nancy Pelosi's statement is 100% right on target "Green New Deal" is headline without content..."

Yeah reads like something a HS Jr wrote, long on wishes, short on methods.
And seeing how well high speed rail is working out and costing in Calif, can't wait to hear how much and how long it would cost/take country wide.

[FakeNoose]

14. I wouldn't call AOC a "big star" yet, she's just the latest media darling

Let's see what she actually does before we call her a "star." Maybe in a couple of years, if she passes some legislation and gets re-elected, maybe then she can be called a star. I don't have anything against her, though. I hope she does become successful.

Just sayin'

[ripcord]

15. If they wanted the Speaker's support

They should have given her some details.

[EffieBlack]

19. Bingo!

Unless they think they can do it without her help - or can bully her into supporting it just because they say so?

[Hortensis]

35. Pretty sure that's the last thing they would want, Ripcord.

(Or expect since it's massively redundant.)

This is a PLATFORM they're drawing attention to in order to use it build a separate following, like Sanders' "revolution." The issues are all things people are getting anxious about -- how to support themselves in the future, income inequality, healthcare, climate extremes, and so on.

They're hoping to draw the kind of people who'd buy the notion that declining to create a huge project under Ocasio's leadership proves that a corrupt Democratic "establishment" is refusing real action on these issues.

Last time I looked, Brand New Congress, (as in purge everyone Democrats had already elected) and Justice Democrats had no experts on climate change, sustainable energy, environmental protection and restoration, sustainable agriculture, fresh water management, etc., etc., etc. The men running these Siamese twin organizations are mostly IT-oriented, radical political activists and campaign/propaganda operatives.

[NurseJackie]

42. ...

Last time I looked, Brand New Congress, (as in purge everyone Democrats had already elected) and Justice Democrats had no experts on climate change, sustainable energy, environmental protection and restoration, sustainable agriculture, fresh water management, etc., etc., etc. The men running these Siamese twin organizations are mostly IT-oriented, radical political activists and campaign/propaganda operatives.

[ehrnst]

45. +1000.

[betsuni]

46. +1

[Cha]

51. Wow.. Mahalo, Hortensis!

[Hortensis]

53. Mahalo, Cha. Heard it's a beautiful afternoon way out there. Of course.

[Cha]

55. It is today..

not everyday is so gorgeous.

[George II]

57. Probably is...........don't you hate her (Cha) sometimes?

[Cha]

60. Don't hate me 'cause

I live in Hawaii!

We've had our days

How's the weather in Connecticut, George?

[George II]

64. COLD and drizzly! At least it's rain, not that other stuff. (fingers crossed!)

[Cha]

65. I've been in Connecticut when

it's cold and drizzly back in the day. Brrrr!

My niece now lives in Fairfield, Connecticut.

[Hortensis]

71. I think you're just pretending to remember. I'd have blocked it

long ago. Maybe just hate you a bit for sitting out in a paradise of fragrant flowers and luscious green foliage while I... Actually I'm in Florida, but the floor of this ancient mobile home was not made, nor were my feet, for a polar vortex to be sweeping through underneath.

[Cha]

73. Oh I remember.. and I think about

the Ice winters I'm missing when I lived at the base of the Adirondacks, too.

I really really appreciate the relatively warmth of winters here. I sprained my wrist from shoveling snow my last winter in New York.. 2009.

How cold is it there in Florida? I used to live in Gainesville, Fla in the '70s..

[Hortensis]

89. Pretty nice the last few days, but this whole area, what's not marsh and swamp,

used to be citrus groves before climate change started revving up. That surge of arctic air coming all the way into central Florida killed the fruiting flowers on our loquats, though, and the next flowering of a Meyer lemon I was really looking forward to won't happen now while we're still down here.

You do clearly remember shoveling snow quite well. From Hawaii.

We'll be seeing some bad weather between now and next election day. I am not wishing for some hostile nation to demonstrate how they can take power down in some area and what that would mean to us, but we'd have acted big time decades ago if HVAC didn't do such a wonderful job of insulating us from reality. And of course the life-giving water that flows whenever we open a tap. Now, most homes would be unsustainable under conditions that occur every year.

Happy Friday to us.

[Apollyonus]

67. Very well said

Riling up people who are frustrated and not getting what they want, promising them pie in the sky and dividing the Democratic party for the benefit of one or two people.

It is obviously ratfucking from the left.

[EffieBlack]

17. Looking forward to the spectacle of watching anyone try to throw Madame Speaker under the bus ...

[Cha]

63. For no reason..

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11786736

[tonedevil]

66. You won't see Rep. Ocasio-Cortez...

doing so. When she was directly asked if she was offended by the Speaker calling it a green dream she just accepted it graciously and said that it was a green dream.

[EffieBlack]

69. Yep.

Nicely done.

[BannonsLiver]

21. The headline is an example of why we don't deserve to survive as a species

Debate and disagreements are now “throwing shade.”

A good line on Twitter is “destroying so and so.”

I root for the comet. Daily.

[OliverQ]

23. This article is by Chris Cillizza. He's an idiot and should be fired from CNN.

AOC turned down the offer to join the new committee.

[Reader Rabbit]

24. Did she? Or is the media just trying to stir up drama?

I swear, they are like some of my middle school students, egging *others* into conflict so that they have a show to watch.

[GulfCoast66]

25. What a bullshit article. And not just the specifics of the story.

But the whole repeating over and over that AOC is some kind of star. The MSM saw early on her potential to be used as a polorizing figure and went with it. She well represents her district but hardly all districts in our caucus.

And you would never know that our new incoming freshman are hardly a bunch of Democrat Socialist. To the contrary, a large number won republican held seats in moderate districts and reflect that moderation.

But fights sell and AOC is the perfect tool for them to set up a nonexistent straw man fight in our party.

We have a large number of members who persevered with no power while republicans controlled everything. The idea that they should lose assignments to any freshman, moderate or not is somewhat insulting.

[Kurt V.]

28. i won't be around when the worst effects of climate change start.

but AOC and 8.5 billion people will.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

36. I am also unsure wht the "Green New Deal" is, but I know we gotta start somewhere.

Not that any of us alive will benefit, but those of us who believe in reincarnation will thank you.

[KG]

37. I lulz'd

[Eugene]

39. Ocasio-Cortez shrugs off Pelosi's comments on "Green New Deal"

CNN
Published on Feb 7, 2019
Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) introduces her plan to address climate change called a "Green New Deal," adding that she doesn't think House Speaker Nancy Pelosi was dismissive because it is a "green dream."

[ecstatic]

41. lol. But she's right. I don't know what it is.

I've heard things here and there--but not quite sure of everything it involves. Is that the 90% tax thing?

[Mariana]

56. Someone upthread seems to know all about it.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211788678#post16

[rgbecker]

92. Here it is:

https://www.markey.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Green%20New%20Deal%20Resolution%20SIGNED.pdf

[George II]

44. "Serious shade"? Because she couldn't remember the exact name of the proposal....

....on the fly at a news conference? I believe Madam Speaker has a number of things going on right now, to remember the name of a non-binding resolution probably is a few items down on her list of priorities.

Speaking of which, however, earlier in the day Nancy Pelosi appointed Cortez to the newly resurrected climate change committee, she declined. I wonder why?

[IluvPitties]

50. I support Nancy's approach to deal with AOC.

Not that I don't like AOC, but she comes across as a Bernie Sanders-like character... someone that could, if not careful, hurt the party by trying to steal the spotlight.

[customerserviceguy]

82. My nightmare scenario?

Joe Biden does well enough in the primaries to get a good third or so of the delegates, with the hard-core NGD folks getting collectively most all of the rest. Then, the superdelegates push Joe over the top on the second to fifth ballot, and she leads the charge that the nomination was stolen from Bernie Sanders, or whoever got maybe 20-25% of the delegates for the first ballot.

If something like that happens, we're right back to the situation that got Trump elected the first time around.

[CentralMass]

62. Another case of a program with wide public support being pushed aside. ?

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/421765-poll-majorities-of-both-parties-support-green-new-deal
"Progressive Democrats like Rep.-elect Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (N.Y.) and Rep. John Lewis (Ga.) are some of the loudest voices behind the idea, which has been backed by only Democratic lawmakers back so far."

"
pushed by progressional Democratic lawmakers, a new poll found.

The survey conducted by the Yale Program on Climate Communication and the George Mason University Center for Climate Change Communication found that 92 percent of Democrats and 64 percent of Republicans back the Green New Deal plan.

The organizations behind the poll explained poll-takers avoided mentioning to respondents which representatives were backing the New Green Deal to prevent injecting bias."

[David__77]

70. I don't see much to this.

This is not a critique of proposed legislation.

[Kaleva]

72. Pelosi:""I'm very excited about it all, and I welcome the Green New Deal and any other proposals."

""Quite frankly I haven't seen it, but I do know that it's enthusiastic, and we welcome all the enthusiasm that's out there," she said at her weekly news conference. "I'm very excited about it all, and I welcome the Green New Deal and any other proposals.""

https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/07/politics/pelosi-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-green-new-deal/index.html

[Snackshack]

78. It appears...

The Speaker of the House does not appreciate the seriousness of the issue nor the importance. Which is not surprising, many don’t.

[TeamPooka]

81. She is simply saying she has not seen any bills, legislation, or proposals yet.

[EffieBlack]

83. Not shade. But possibly "Next time, you might want to loop me in before I'm asked about it"

[NurseJackie]

86. "some serious shade" eh? ... ROFL 😆😂

[JHan]

105. ikr..

it's also just politics.

so much outrage.

[JHan]

103. Can we also point out what a shitstain Cilliza is?

Pelosi is possibly not behind all of it. AOC has every right to fight for her agenda and Pelosi has every right to be a lil dismissive or think it's overreach or needs to be workable - I suspect they may not be on the same page on everything which is fine . Pelosi wants a carbon tax and is willing to look at nuclear, neither of which features in AOC's green "Dream" AFAIK ( willing to be corrected on this)

Pelosi is being the leader she is supposed to be, her primary goal is to get shit passed not just in the house but also the Senate, This is a huge bill. And it's not just about AOC, it's co-sponsored by Edward Markey and many others, but no one is talking about Pelosi throwing shade at Markey
AOC herself said:

""Nancy Pelosi is a leader on climate, has always been a leader on climate. And I will not allow this caucus to be divided up by silly notions for whatever narrative," Ocasio-Cortez said. "We are 100 percent in this together. We have different solutions, and different mechanisms. (But) this issue faces all of us and we are not going to get divided over it. Period.""

[jalan48]

104. Yuck, yuck. That's a real knee slapper Nancy.

[MrsCoffee]

109. Actually Pelosi offered and AOC declined.

Makes the comments in this thread really interesting.

https://www.newsweek.com/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-climate-change-green-new-deal-1322754

[NastyRiffraff]

119. Uh oh...

Wait for the renewed attacks on Nancy Pelosi for not paying homage to Ocasio-Cortez.