The gop could have easily gotten rid of Obama

[Dream Girl]

Just get a few accusers and wait for the ensuing clamor for him to step down. Seriously, I have no idea about Fairfax accusers but it seems like a rather handy way to get rid you political opponents. They don’t even have to lift a finger. We’ll do their work for them. Look for more of this in the future. Shouldn’t there at least be an investigation? Didn’t they recently try to do this to Mueller? It was rather clumsy and fell apart quickly but weren’t they recruiting women to come forward for money?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

1. President Obama led an exemplary life.

And the lurid allegations against him vanished into the ether because they were fallacious.

[Dream Girl]

3. Of course he did. That's kind of the point.

But two or three accusers with credible stories and suddenly the chorus starts.

[uponit7771]

4. So did Fairfax iinm, investigations are appropriate and needed especially when the KGOP are an ...

... amoral group of people who accepts racist, child kidnappers, traitors and overall bastards into their fold.

[theboss]

12. You do realize that any investigation at this point is going to be inconclusive

Same as with Ford and Kavanaugh. You were never going to prove anything.

[uponit7771]

24. Ellison's wasn't so I don't accept that premise

[theboss]

2. Do you think it's easy to get a woman to credibly accuse a public figure of rape?

I'm serious. I'm not saying one of those, I was a waitress at a fundraiser and her raped me in a bathroom Jacob Wohl-type accusations. I mean, a credible one. One that went to school with him. Or one where they both agree they were alone in a hotel room together.

You're basically asking someone to commit multiple felonies for you.

[Dream Girl]

5. The woman they tried to recruit to accuse Mueller

Worked with him. If she’d been a different person she might have gone for it. The point is investigate or we open ourselves to endless ratfucking.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

7. Alleged Victim #1 is an African American Democratic scholar

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211794910


I presume Alleged Victim #2 is a Democrat too.

[uponit7771]

27. Due to Mueller being NOT credibly accused there should be investigations no matter who it is. The

... KGOP are amoral, reacting off accusations alone (which I don't think was the point of #metoo) doesn't seem like the right thing to do.

[uponit7771]

26. **********************THIS !!!! ********************** I totally forgot about Mueller's accusers

[Trumpocalypse]

6. Well said

It is sad so many don’t get it.

[Igel]

8. No, I don't think it is.

On the other hand, I think it's a lot easier to anonymously accuse a public figure of rape and hope that the anonymous story gets picked up and spread around in a way that hurts the public figure and leaves the anonymous accuser untouched.

That was the original plan last summer with Blasey Ford. There were exchanges that were confidential, including having a lie-detector test run, to bolster the claims, but anonymous wasn't enough. Once there's one person making the accusation, others more easily come forward. Including, last summer, some that weren't all that credible.

Tyson talked to the WaPo a while back; and while WaPo noted "red flags" that said there *might* be something there, it was far some the level of confidence they needed to take on a politician that I suspect the editors and reporters (would have) supported. But the accusation went public. And once there's one person making the accusation, others more easily come forward.

This isn't an argument for claims that Tyson has to be a GOP operative or enticed to make her claims by the GOP. It does lower the threshold for the discomfort that would amplify any self-doubt over claims, however.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. There is now a second accuser with contemporaneous witnesses.

Witnesses with whom the alleged victim immediately shared her account.

[grantcart]

23. Very credible accuser.

[theboss]

10. Anonymous accusations should be ignored. I can't imagine anyone accepting that.

I mean people at DU would accept it if it were a Republican. And Freepers would accept it if it were a Democrat. At least some on both sides would.

But 95 percent of the public would know that's nonsense.

The amazing thing about the accusations against public figures in recent years is that these are coming from women respected in their fields and communities who can tie themselves to the person and are accusing them at great sacrifice.

To think that "Women in Reno accuses Senator of rape" is going to compare to that is a stretch.

[uponit7771]

28. They did this with Mueller !!! #metoo doesn't mean guilt by accusation

[uponit7771]

25. If they support a racist, kidnapping, traitorous sexual assaulter !?!??! Maybe

[obnoxiousdrunk]

11. Obama was accused

of killing his gay lover. Just saying ...

[Cha]

14. I do remember that.. was it a National Enquirer

source?

I didn't know he was accused of killing him, though.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. Larry Sinclair.

President Obama led an exemplary life.

And the lurid allegations against him vanished into the ether because they were fallacious.

[Cha]

16. Telling that they would try, though.

Yes, President Obama set a brilliant example in his life.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

17. Did you ever see the movie Barry?

[Cha]

20. Yes, I did.. Before he was Barack.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

21. He was such a cool and thoughtful guy.

[CincyDem]

19. Source? Jeff Bezos' texts I hear.

[marylandblue]

13. I think that is harder than it appears.

First you have find someone whom he did meet or he plausibly could have met. Then this person would have to hate him enough to destroy him and brave enough to take on the criticism and shaming that goes with being a rape victim. Then you have to develop a scenario that puts them together in a private situation where no witness could place either of them somewhere else. Then this person would have be a convincing liar and willing to play the role up to and including perjury or a slander lawsuit. Then you'd have give her untraceable money or other incentive. And this conniving greedy liar better somehow have a sterling reputation, because you can't have her aquaintances say - oh that person is a total liar, don't believe her. Then you'd have to trust this conniving greedy liar with the sterling reputation not to betray you. And you'd need at least two such people, because one woman is not going to be believed.

Which is basically why the Mueller plot fell apart so easily. There was also an attempt against George Takei with someone he actually did have sex with and that fell apart too.

[standingtall]

18. If Obama were still in office you can bet they would be supplying accussers

to get rid of him and they will for the next President that's a Democrat and a man, and perhaps for the first woman President too.

[Blue_true]

22. So, if a woman 18 or 19 years ago told friends that a classmate raped her.

And after seeing another woman make a similar claim 18 or 19 years later against the same man, somehow that is a setup?


Maybe President Obama's mom got a Hawaaian birth certificate for him from Kenya, guessing that one day he would run for US President

The time factor and the disclosure that the second woman told friend in 2000 sort of blows up a conspiracy theory.

[Garrett78]

29. Your example of the alleged Mueller accuser points to the fact that...

...there are credible accusations and then there are political stunts. The former must be taken very seriously. There should be an investigation. In the meantime, should Fairfax step down? I don't know, but he's clearly in a lot of trouble.

[brush]

30. Investgate no matter how credible the accusers.

If he's guilty then punish him. No need to let it hang in the air that he might be accused unjustly.

Get to the truth.

[Garrett78]

31. Agreed. Of course, it may not be provable beyond a shadow of a doubt.

There probably won't be any hard evidence in cases like these. And proper investigations take time. Meanwhile, there is mounting pressure on Fairfax to step down.

[madville]

33. Who is supposed to conduct an investigation?

No one has made a criminal complaint against him for law enforcement to get involved. If he gets impeached there will be testimony and probably some degree of investigation I imagine.

[madville]

32. These women and their stories are very credible at this point

The Virginia Black Caucus has demanded he resign and he will be impeached if he doesn't unless something drastic happens. Simple fact is he just isn't important enough to merit this level of imagined conspiracy against him. Twitter rumors now are there are a few more women that have come forward to the media, I would bet he has another publicly identified accuser by Sunday evening and resigns Monday.