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pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
Sat Feb 9, 2019, 03:32 AM Feb 2019

Kamala Harris is "not likable."





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Kamala Harris is “not likeable.”

Elizabeth Warren is “a liar.”

Amy Klobuchar is “mean.”

Kirsten Gillibrand is “too ambitious.”

Somehow, every female candidate for President has already been discredited/disqualified and it’s not even 2020.

Coincidence? I think not.

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Kamala Harris is "not likable." (Original Post) pnwmom Feb 2019 OP
Regardless of what some idiots say about those women.... Caliman73 Feb 2019 #1
I agree. n/t pnwmom Feb 2019 #2
+1 DirtEdonE Feb 2019 #26
No coincidence at all. Plus all our older women warriors need to retire so new blood can... Hekate Feb 2019 #3
So predictable and consistent. One may think that society would be a bit... peacefrogman Feb 2019 #4
Haven't the male Democratic candidates Cha Feb 2019 #5
I'm with you...I'm not buying into this nonsense. nt UniteFightBack Feb 2019 #7
Sherrod Brown is,Untidy! True Blue American Feb 2019 #14
Have Castro or Brown or Inslee been discredited? And no one's ever implied pnwmom Feb 2019 #17
Oh yeah, I wasn't thinking Cha Feb 2019 #18
But that they are unlikable or mean or liars? It seems criticism of women pnwmom Feb 2019 #19
When has it ever NOT had that different tone to it? 2naSalit Feb 2019 #20
You're right.. the Cha Feb 2019 #22
"likable" or "ambitious" could be sexist. Liar isn't. thesquanderer Feb 2019 #35
I've never heard Harris and unlikeable in the same sentence. If folks are so upset about this UniteFightBack Feb 2019 #6
That's because you don't watch Faux news. pnwmom Feb 2019 #9
Yes, but I think the OP didn't come from Fox News or its audience Apollyonus Feb 2019 #29
Harris is very bold and outspoken, so I can kind of see it Amishman Feb 2019 #24
She was mean to Kavanaugh don't you know jcgoldie Feb 2019 #25
Hillary did not lose because she was not likeable videohead5 Feb 2019 #8
And Hillary contended with all of that. maddiemom Feb 2019 #10
This. We're seeing that Hillary did break that glass ceiling. Hortensis Feb 2019 #13
I have to remind myself that the media is controlled... MANative Feb 2019 #11
Who is saying those things? still_one Feb 2019 #12
"They" said every one of BlueMTexpat Feb 2019 #15
They sound perfect for the job. TeamPooka Feb 2019 #16
I like them... Mike Nelson Feb 2019 #21
They are all great. Soxfan58 Feb 2019 #23
As a professional woman who is growing older, I experience this. yardwork Feb 2019 #27
The devotees of the messiah energizing the trolls Apollyonus Feb 2019 #28
We must remember PatSeg Feb 2019 #30
So, right wing men , including those in the media, hate and fear women. lark Feb 2019 #31
Harris is a cop! bigtree Feb 2019 #32
Bernie got hit too with the harassment stuff from 2016 Renew Deal Feb 2019 #34
Who is surprised about this? Gothmog Feb 2019 #33
Completely predictable. Unfortunately also reality. MH1 Feb 2019 #36
Kamala Harris may indeed be likable Awsi Dooger Feb 2019 #37
Why should a female prosecutor have any more difficulty than a male in remaining calm? pnwmom Feb 2019 #40
Harris, Warren and Klobuchar are strong choices. IluvPitties Feb 2019 #38
tRump isn't "likeable" Totally Tunsie Feb 2019 #39
So what? I ain't tryin' to date her. Iggo Feb 2019 #41

Caliman73

(11,738 posts)
1. Regardless of what some idiots say about those women....
Sat Feb 9, 2019, 03:38 AM
Feb 2019

EACH AND EVERYONE OF THEM...INCLUDING GILLIBRAND WOULD BE 10,000,000,000 times BETTER than Trump or ANY other Republican candidate.

 

DirtEdonE

(1,220 posts)
26. +1
Sat Feb 9, 2019, 10:14 AM
Feb 2019

Many old white men are afraid of powerful women. And that goes double for powerful black women.

I have to disagree on Gillibrand though. I don't trust her after Franken and I can't ever get around that. Where are her demands that trump and kavanaugh, to name just two pubican sex abusers, step down immediately like she did to her Democratic counterpart?

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
3. No coincidence at all. Plus all our older women warriors need to retire so new blood can...
Sat Feb 9, 2019, 03:43 AM
Feb 2019

...their places. New blood with a Y-chromosome, that is.

Things that make you go hmmmmm.

Cha

(297,296 posts)
5. Haven't the male Democratic candidates
Sat Feb 9, 2019, 03:50 AM
Feb 2019

been "discredited", too?

Notice he didn't list Gabbard's name.. Good.. I think she discredited herself.

Kamala is quite likeable, actually.. and Elizabeth.. that's one thing.. she has a lot of qualifications on the whole.

I have no idea who I'm going to support yet.

I know nothing about Amy Klobuchar yet.

True Blue American

(17,986 posts)
14. Sherrod Brown is,Untidy!
Sat Feb 9, 2019, 05:30 AM
Feb 2019

Then comes the kicker, because he wears Union suits made in Ohio!

Imagine that!

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
17. Have Castro or Brown or Inslee been discredited? And no one's ever implied
Sat Feb 9, 2019, 05:55 AM
Feb 2019

that Biden is unlikeable or a liar.

Cha

(297,296 posts)
18. Oh yeah, I wasn't thinking
Sat Feb 9, 2019, 06:01 AM
Feb 2019

about Julian Castro or Sen Sherrod Brown.

I have seen a lot of negative post about VP Biden, though and Sen Booker.. and Beto even though he hasn't said if he's running or not.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
19. But that they are unlikable or mean or liars? It seems criticism of women
Sat Feb 9, 2019, 06:09 AM
Feb 2019

often has a different tone to it.

2naSalit

(86,646 posts)
20. When has it ever NOT had that different tone to it?
Sat Feb 9, 2019, 06:16 AM
Feb 2019

It's always the same old song. Perhaps it's best they can't come up with anything else, makes it easier to point out to others due to consistency.

Cha

(297,296 posts)
22. You're right.. the
Sat Feb 9, 2019, 06:35 AM
Feb 2019

"unlikeable, mean, liar" slurs seem to be thrust on Democratic women candidates.

The Russian stooge is the one who's an Unlikeable, Mean Liar.

thesquanderer

(11,989 posts)
35. "likable" or "ambitious" could be sexist. Liar isn't.
Sat Feb 9, 2019, 07:14 PM
Feb 2019

"Liar" will be as easily tossed at any candidate of either gender, if their opponents can find a reason to use it. It does not play off any stereotype of femininity as the other words might (i.e. that women need to make themselves likable or shouldn't be seen as too ambitious... there is nothing comparable for being or not being a liar, nothing gender-specific there).

 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
6. I've never heard Harris and unlikeable in the same sentence. If folks are so upset about this
Sat Feb 9, 2019, 03:53 AM
Feb 2019

I hope they remember that the next time they want to bash Gillibrand.

Another thing...I have not heard anyone specifically say Elizabeth Warren is a liar...have you?

Now I know somebody else who is a true liar so please who is calling her a liar?

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
9. That's because you don't watch Faux news.
Sat Feb 9, 2019, 04:26 AM
Feb 2019

A recent headline:

Elizabeth Warren is a fraud -- Her lies about being Native American disqualify her from presidency, Senate
 

Apollyonus

(812 posts)
29. Yes, but I think the OP didn't come from Fox News or its audience
Sat Feb 9, 2019, 10:24 AM
Feb 2019

This OP more likely came from within Democratic or Para-Democratic circles and I suspect devotees of the Messiah who have the motive to denigrate their competition.

Amishman

(5,557 posts)
24. Harris is very bold and outspoken, so I can kind of see it
Sat Feb 9, 2019, 10:03 AM
Feb 2019

Her speaking style is not as harmonious or smooth as President Obama. JFK, MLK, and FDR are other examples.

To be fair, it is a difficult skill. We are spoiled to have had such a good orator as our last legitimate president.

videohead5

(2,177 posts)
8. Hillary did not lose because she was not likeable
Sat Feb 9, 2019, 04:07 AM
Feb 2019

She lost because of Comey's letter 11 days before the election. The emails is the reason she lost and Russian propaganda. No democrat will have a problem like that in 2020.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
10. And Hillary contended with all of that.
Sat Feb 9, 2019, 04:42 AM
Feb 2019

The next female presidential nominee, win or lose, owes her big time. They can only hope to win a three million vote advantage, but have it count. She's been a gracious "loser" even though thoroughly robbed. Reversing the outcome would have Trump raising total hell. Had the Bush/Gore outcome been reversed, the Republicans, by all accounts at the time, were ready to mount a major protest against the electoral college.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
13. This. We're seeing that Hillary did break that glass ceiling.
Sat Feb 9, 2019, 05:28 AM
Feb 2019

It's an accident of history that she did it at a time when the Republican Party had become willing to do everything and anything to not lose power to the Democrats, even ally with Russia against their own nation.

Not too long in future that is how historians will discuss Hillary's seminal candidacy in retrospect. But clear-eyed observers don't have to wait for their books to know it.

MANative

(4,112 posts)
11. I have to remind myself that the media is controlled...
Sat Feb 9, 2019, 05:06 AM
Feb 2019

By the right wing. They set the narrative. But we saw what happened last November when democrats came together and worked our butts off.

BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
15. "They" said every one of
Sat Feb 9, 2019, 05:52 AM
Feb 2019

those things about Hillary!

And helped to give us Trump. I am SOOOOOO sick and tired of women candidates being held to standards that male candidates never are.

Mike Nelson

(9,959 posts)
21. I like them...
Sat Feb 9, 2019, 06:28 AM
Feb 2019
Kamala Harris and Amy Klobuchar are very likable! I like them the best. I think the male equivalent is the dumb "who would you rather have a beer with?" question. We were world nobody wanted to have a beer with Gore; they preferred to have a beer with GWB. I wouldn't want to have a beer with either of them... but, if I had to, I would never pick George W Bush. He would probably insist on driving and wreck the car. Or, he might bring Dick Cheney along... the guy gets drunk and shoots his friends in the face! Kamala and Amy are much more likable!

Soxfan58

(3,479 posts)
23. They are all great.
Sat Feb 9, 2019, 09:30 AM
Feb 2019

I will decide before March 8, 2020. I am always impressed with the brilliant, diverse field the Dems have in comparison to the white, male, with One woman and One black tthat the repervs put up

yardwork

(61,650 posts)
27. As a professional woman who is growing older, I experience this.
Sat Feb 9, 2019, 10:17 AM
Feb 2019

We as a society need to do some soul searching about the way we treat women in power, especially older women.

Men are praised for being strong, ambitious, forceful, and uncompromising. Women are slammed for having the exact same traits. Often the people doing the slamming are other women. Wake up, America.

 

Apollyonus

(812 posts)
28. The devotees of the messiah energizing the trolls
Sat Feb 9, 2019, 10:20 AM
Feb 2019

... someone has to give cues to the Russians on what to spread ....

PatSeg

(47,500 posts)
30. We must remember
Sat Feb 9, 2019, 10:27 AM
Feb 2019

they said similar things about Hillary going back to the 1990s. It is the same old trap they've set before and we must not take the bait. It will be easy for political operatives to turn republican voters against these candidates, but their primary objective is to undermine our confidence in our best and brightest politicians.

Don't buy or repeat their crap. The fact that they are going mostly after our female candidates means they are the greatest threat. All the more reason to turn a deaf ear to the propaganda and use our energies wisely. Meanwhile, the republicans weakest point is that their politicians are god-awful and very vulnerable.

lark

(23,105 posts)
31. So, right wing men , including those in the media, hate and fear women.
Sat Feb 9, 2019, 10:37 AM
Feb 2019

While the worst person in the world stole our government and is ruling for the benefit of Russia and the detriment of American ideals and the America workers and the poor.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
32. Harris is a cop!
Sat Feb 9, 2019, 10:41 AM
Feb 2019
Victoria Brownworth @VABVOX
Update on the presidential race:

#Harris is a cop!
#Gillibrand is an opportunist!
#Klobuchar isn't REALLY nice!
#Warren is another Dolezal!

But #Biden, #Bernie and #Beto are golden & #Schultz gets a Town Hall.

MSM learned NOTHING from 2016.

You hate women more than ever.

1:32 AM - 7 Feb 2019

Renew Deal

(81,861 posts)
34. Bernie got hit too with the harassment stuff from 2016
Sat Feb 9, 2019, 10:53 AM
Feb 2019

Do you think it’s a coincidence that almost every major candidate got hit with something?

Gothmog

(145,313 posts)
33. Who is surprised about this?
Sat Feb 9, 2019, 10:52 AM
Feb 2019

I do not care about if a candidate is likeable and each of these four women would make a great POTUS

MH1

(17,600 posts)
36. Completely predictable. Unfortunately also reality.
Sat Feb 9, 2019, 07:24 PM
Feb 2019

I would love for a woman of color, or a white woman, or an LGBTQ person, or any minority, to win the Presidency as a Democrat.

The pragmatist in me recognizes that any of those factors will automatically exclude a larger population of voters than a charismatic white male, even if the policy positions are essentially the same. Put in sports terms, we'd be spotting the other team several points from the get-go.

The most important thing is to GET TRUMP OUT. Replaced by a Democrat of course.

If there's a woman who is as strong a candidate as Obama was as a black man, then by all means let's go for it. But expect to constantly be fighting the battle in your OP.

Otherwise let's nominate the BEST CANDIDATE we have - even if it's a white male. The sexism and racism in society sucks, but it's there, and we either play the hand we're dealt, or we lose and things get even worse.


 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
37. Kamala Harris may indeed be likable
Sat Feb 9, 2019, 07:33 PM
Feb 2019

I have mentioned a concern here. I'll let it play out during the primaries. My instincts are that female prosecutors who are accustomed to being on offense have a very, very difficult time remaining calm and coming across as likable when suddenly they are on the defensive.

Our 2020 nominee is going to be on the defensive more often than not. That's the aspect I don't think is widely understood, by Harris or anyone else. The incumbent manages that dynamic of being on offense. Trump will still be the focal point, whether he is trailing in the polls or not. He'll have an unflattering nickname for our nominee and the attacks will be flying from all directions, most of them unfair, and unforeseen right now. But definitely the socialist tag will be among them. Heck, they applied that to Bill Nelson here in Florida. The debate moderators need to ask that socialist question in every debate, so our nominee is prepared and toughened. The candidates need to go back and forth on it in free flowing style.

Likability in 2020 will depend on how our nominee fares while on defense. Offense really doesn't matter at all. And if we nominate a female, then the same misogynistic aspect applies as 2016. A female nominee needs to be more likable than a male nominee.

I have always assigned charisma/likability as the number one requirement toward knocking off an incumbent, so I'm hardly going to pretend 2020 doesn't qualify merely because Donald Trump is that incumbent. Adjustments seldom work. Ousting an incumbent is an incredible undertaking.

Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren will be on defense solely due to geography...the coastal liberal vs. flyover crap.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
40. Why should a female prosecutor have any more difficulty than a male in remaining calm?
Sat Feb 9, 2019, 10:05 PM
Feb 2019

And you say a female nominee needs to be more likable than a male nominee. How is that possible when in the views of many, likability in a woman is not compatible with competence?

Iggo

(47,558 posts)
41. So what? I ain't tryin' to date her.
Sat Feb 9, 2019, 11:26 PM
Feb 2019

I didn't vote for her six times because I like her.

I voted for her because each time I thought she was the best person for the job.

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