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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBernie Sanders may struggle in the 2020 primaries -- and that could be a good thing for Democrats
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/02/bernie-sanders-may-struggle-2020-primaries-good-thing-democrats/amp/?__twitter_impression=trueThis isnt to say that the Vermont senator is doing badly in the polls, per se. A Monmouth University poll taken late last month found him in a distant second with 16 percent, trailing former Vice President Joe Bidens 29 percent but ahead of Sens. Kamala Harris of California and Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts (at 11 and 8 percent, respectively). An ABC News/Washington Post poll from around the same time found him placing third, behind Bidens 9 percent and Harris 8 percent but ahead of Texas Rep. Beto ORourkes 3 percent (its worth noting that this same survey found President Donald Trump with 4 percent of the vote and 43 percent marked as Unsure).
Perhaps most notable, however, was the Daily Kos Presidential Straw Poll, a survey that has traditionally served as a fantastic bellwether of who liberals support within the Democratic Party. When those results came out last month, Warren stood ahead with 22 percent, followed by ORourke with 15 percent, Harris with 14 percent, Biden at 14 percent and Sanders following behind at 11 percent.
If one is a liberal, Sanders decline within the Democratic Party should be viewed as a good thing. Sanders decline in the polls may be a sign that he has achieved some of his ostensibly larger political objectives. It is a sign that his left-wing political values have become increasingly mainstream.
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stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)Bernie Sanders may struggle in the 2020
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)trueblue2007
(17,218 posts)BlueStater
(7,596 posts)I can't think of a single good reason why he should run again. Unfortunately, it seems he got a taste of the spotlight in 2016 and has now adopted Rick Astley's mantra.
Apollyonus
(812 posts)OhZone
(3,212 posts)calguy
(5,309 posts)Kahuna7
(2,531 posts)riverine
(516 posts)then count me out.
Kahuna7
(2,531 posts)party (like Chuck Schumer does), goes down on my list of who to support. They would be embracing the republican frame.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Bernie himself has skeletons in his closet, his taxes, his wife's running of a college and whether he used his influence to boost her grip on the college, his wealth or lack of will be examined, and biggest of all are the sexual harrassment and violence issues in his 2016 primary campaign.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)He was *the* alternative to a polarizing front-runner in a relatively small field of candidates. That anyone thinks he has a shot in 2020 is laughable.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Garrett78
(10,721 posts)And even so, the race was over by the end of Super Tuesday. Sanders won't even last that long in 2020, assuming he doesn't have enough sense to just stay out of the race. With Warren running and such a large field, surely he's leaning toward not running. Or not. We'll see.
Me.
(35,454 posts)in the now @metoo era
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)he'll get a bump in the polls, I'm guessing. However, based on the early polling, it will be very difficult for him to come back and win - especially if Biden enters the race.
Apollyonus
(812 posts)safeinOhio
(32,683 posts)I thank him for his Progressive voice that has opened the door to the likes of AOC and bringing a new generation into the Progressive fold.
Gothmog
(145,264 posts)Andy823
(11,495 posts)He was only going to run if there was nobody else that could beat trump? So far everyone that has announced so far could beat trump, so maybe he won't run!
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)to begin with of course. Else?!
Imagining that he could defeat the Democratic nominee himself and also save the nation from Trump would be completely delusional. Either our Democratic nominee or the Republicans' will win in 2020. Could it be possible that he really doesn't realize that? And that he really doesn't understand his role in our nation's disastrous 2016 election?
Andy823
(11,495 posts)I think the more candidates that we have the less chance he has, but I don't know if he will back off or not. I also wonder if he understands his role in trump taking office instead of Hillary. I guess time will tell.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)With Warren running, Sanders may have enough sense to not bother. It'd be all downhill after New Hampshire anyway.
madville
(7,410 posts)Right now, most candidates' fates hinge on what Biden decides to do, Bernie included. With such a large field, Biden can easily win this thing will only 30% support.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Biden got just 4% in Iowa in 2008 and then dropped out. His 1988 attempt was even more short-lived thanks to various accusations. Obama picking him as VP gives him political life, but I'm not convinced Biden will do as well as many think he will. His age, penchant for gaffes, our increasingly diverse electorate and his history with the Thomas-Hill hearing could prove to be impediments. Plus, he's not necessarily the clear front-runner in New Hampshire in spite of being from New England. A loss there would be embarrassing.
Anyway, Sanders has to win IA and NH to build momentum, and even that wouldn't be sufficient. NV, SC and Super Tuesday aren't likely to be kind to Sanders. I'm not even sure he'll bother running.
Several of our candidates are very fortunate that the primary season starts off with 2 states that don't remotely reflect our electorate.
madville
(7,410 posts)That will hurt Bernie, and the rest of them at the same time by diluting the liberal votes. That's why this is set up perfect for Biden, especially after 8 years as VP and with name recognition, he potentially could be the one center-left moderate option, facing 10 people coming completely from his left. We all know the nomination won't be decided in a DailyKOS straw poll or here on DU, the Democratic Party still has a huge chunk of moderate independent-types to court.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Warren and Brown (and potentially Klobuchar and potentially Gillibrand) would take votes from both Biden and Sanders in Iowa and New Hampshire. Not to mention Beto, Inslee, Bullock, etc.
Even Tim Ryan might think he has a chance simply because we start with Iowa and then New Hampshire.
Name recognition is huge, though, for sure. And, as I said, Biden having been Obama's VP gives him a chance that he never would have had otherwise (as exemplified by his 2 previous attempts to get nominated).
If Harris or Booker or Castro were to win either of those first 2 states or at least do well in both, she/he will be set up very well for NV, SC and Super Tuesday.
madville
(7,410 posts)I believe the nomination is his if he runs. If he doesn't run, all bets are off, Sanders and Harris would seem to be the initial frontrunners.
I don't see demographics being a major factor in Iowa or NH, they are definitely more influenced by the center vs. left dynamic. SC will be the first test to see how Harris and Booker can potentially benefit from a large Black voting bloc.
The media will play a huge role as always, who they attack, who they cheerlead for. When the lower tier candidates like Gillibrand, Castro, Klobuchar, etc get 5% or less in Iowa and NH they will bail pretty quick. I would say Beto, Booker and Warren are mid-tier candidates at the moment, they'll have a tough time breaking 15% anywhere though. If Biden doesn't run the whole thing is going to be a giant mess, All the top and mid-tier candidates are going to start tearing each other apart to climb the ladder.
Garrett78
(10,721 posts)Where candidates are from, their race, their sex and other demographic information will absolutely be a major factor in Iowa and New Hampshire. Klobuchar benefits from being from a state that borders Iowa. Warren, Sanders and Biden being from New England helps them in NH. All of them (and others) benefit from Iowa and New Hampshire being 2 of the whitest states in the US--but this also means they could split the vote and leave an opening for someone else. Demographics always matter.
Anyway, I would bet Biden will run and *not* get nominated (or not run at all), for reasons I've already listed. I really don't think he'll be our nominee.
DavidDvorkin
(19,479 posts)And the sooner, the better.
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)On third party candidates especially.
aikoaiko
(34,170 posts)...the best parts of the HRC's and Bernie Sanders' failed campaigns.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Claiming that mainstream Democrats did not share them was of course anything but "mainstream." The ethics and values (as guessed at by his actions rather than rhetoric) that still lead him to do so are notably also not mainstream, but rather harmful to the great mainstream alliance.
Our 2016 platform was our nation's most progressive since FDR's era, and our loss to an increasingly fascistic and anti-progressive right a very dangerous national tragedy.
Me.
(35,454 posts)What were/are they? Asking for a friend.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)ever since his actions started belying and sabotaging his stated ones.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)irresistable
(989 posts)Chemisse
(30,813 posts)(relatively speaking) or run again and dwindle to irrelevance.
DarthDem
(5,255 posts). . . his goals have been taken up by more suitable messengers. Which, yeah, is good on two levels.