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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSenate investigation: No direct evidence of conspiracy. They remind me of the OJ trial.
I watched the OJ trial. There was blood in the car, in the house, a glove behind the house that matched the one at the murder scene. OJ had a cut on his finger. OJ ran because that's what innocent people do. OJ was guilty as hell and so is Trump. You don't need a murder weapon. you don't need a video or recording to prove someone is guilty. When you have a pile of circumstantial evidence that's enough.
The Senate has decided there is no direct evidence because they couldn't find a video or recording of Trump talking to the Russians about a conspiracy. Give me a fucking break.
If the Mueller investigation turns out like the OJ trial I will lose my mind.
I guess watching a conspiracy with our own eyes is not direct evidence.
spanone
(135,900 posts)bullshit.
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)and even if a money trail from Putin to Trump could be proven, the GOP controlled Senate would find no evidence.
TCJ70
(4,387 posts)"Russia if you're listening"
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)But the GOP controlled Senate, and the GOP as a Party, is not interested in acting with any integrity.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)thank you..
shockey80
(4,379 posts)uponit7771
(90,367 posts)... at one time.
That's a fact not in dispute
Please don't compare Furhman or anyone else leading the OJ investigation with Mueller
I'm not putting all my eggs in the Mueller basket seeing there has been enough time to cover things up, kill witness's like Putin has done, pay off other witness's like Trump has done with inauguration money and for McConnell to hide anything and everything with no consequences.
The Democrats in the house have a responsibility to impeach Trump right now for emoluments violations ... a multitude of them.
Even if he doesn't get removed they still do their jobs
shockey80
(4,379 posts)uponit7771
(90,367 posts)... to doing such on tape where a half black jury heard it.
The fact that he admitted he frames black folks should've been the tale tell to the prosecution that he wasn't the best witness for them and could sink their case, they decided not to front Furhman anyway.
I don't know too many people who liked OJ then, but I know plenty of people who like the LAPD et al even less.
Mueller is nothing like the LAPD or the LA County racist ass's.
To your point I'd be disappointed in Muellers investigation if they stayed away from finances or any of the other publicly known stuff that seems outright wrong.
Solomon
(12,319 posts)of OJs. blood, didn't take it to the lab but carried it around God knows where and when it was later measured, some of the blood was missing from the vial.
Classic frame-up. Cops are not adverse to framing a guilty person. Best not to let a jury catch you trying to do that.
blogslut
(38,019 posts)Not an official finding. The Senate investigation is not over.
Here is the Burr quote:
Here is the interview:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/richard-burr-on-senate-intelligence-committees-russia-investigation-2-years-on/
Nevilledog
(51,220 posts)blogslut
(38,019 posts)All I know is the Senate investigation is not over, no matter what the president says.
Nevilledog
(51,220 posts)Burr is basing his "opinion" on the crap he's heard in the Senate. Once he hears what Mueller has to say I'm guessing this "no collusion" shit stops immediately.
manor321
(3,344 posts)People not to listen to regarding the Russia investigation:
NBC's Ken Delanian
NBC's Pete Williams
Yahoo's Michael Isikoff
Miigwech
(3,741 posts)What? They need to know the person's intention. Just like Reagun, when he said he didn't know at the time, said he should have known, meanwhile, his whole National Security officials carried out Iran-gate / Iran Contra. Reagun was caught red handed and yet never held to justice. Be a black kid and get shot dead in the middle of the street for possibly stealing a pack of smokes.
https://www.theguardian.com/theguardian/2014/feb/27/irangate-ronald-reagan-us-politics
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)If evidence does not establish conspiracy by Trump himself, that'll just be the way it is. We'll have to console ourselves with evidence establishing lesser criminal actions instead.
We have to accept also that the burden of proof to support criminal prosecution would be very high. The fact that no president has ever been indicated and prosecuted means that, politically speaking, to move forward with criminal charges would require an extremely compelling case, one that established its own necessity beyond doubt.
We also have to accept that the Republican-controlled senate may refuse to act against Trump even if evidence did strongly indicate treasonous activities.
In all foreseeable ends, our job will be to root all traitors out of government, destroying what the Republican Party has become and tightening and reforming the laws and procedures they used to illicitly gain power and institutionalize their corruption to make sure it can't re-form. And no matter what happens in the courts and senate, We the People can accomplish our determining role in all that as of November 2, 2020.
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)wishstar
(5,272 posts)Just like the House's Nunes- chaired committee had no basis for their conclusion that was based on lies and evasions and refusals to answer by the Trumpers and failure of Nunes' committee to issue sufficient subpoenas.