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pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 11:16 AM Feb 2019

Newly unsealed MUELLER document: Roger Stone is directly connected to 12 Russian hacker case

Last edited Fri Feb 15, 2019, 06:31 PM - Edit history (1)







Brian Krassenstein
‏@krassenstein

BREAKING: A newly revealed Mueller filing indicates that warrants used in the Russian hacker case, where Mueller indicted 12 Russians for hacking the DNC, surfaced “certain evidence that is relevant” to Roger Stone’s case.

This is MAJOR

It means that Roger Stone's indictment appears to be directly related to the hacking by the 12 Russian Intel operatives, and that when they obtained evidence in warrants of those operatives, they found evidence for the Stone case, linking them together.

My guess is that Mueller is preparing additional Stone indictments, and this may very well be a racketeering case.




ON EDIT: SEE THIS VOX ARTICLE FOR MORE INFO:

https://www.vox.com/2019/2/15/18223791/mueller-roger-stone-russian-hackers-related-case

Mueller’s team makes two specific points here:

Search warrants: “In particular, certain evidence that is relevant to [Stone’s] case was derived from search warrants executed in Netyksho et al.”

The same stolen documents: The special counsel adds that “the alleged obstructive conduct” in Stone’s case is about his knowledge of “the dissemination of stolen documents during the 2016 presidential campaign” — namely, John Podesta’s hacked emails. The Netyksho indictment was, in part, about the hacking of those emails.

Now, perhaps the “related case” designation is a simple legal formality that Mueller was required to do. The DC federal district court’s local rules state that cases “are deemed related” when there’s, for instance, a common search warrant.

But there are some potential strategic reasons Mueller might be happy to have the Stone case before Judge Jackson in particular.

SNIP

ON EDIT:

Here is a related court document that was filed today, in which Mueller justifies his earlier connection of the Stone case with the Russian case.

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/5740797/2-15-19-US-Stone-Related-Case.pdf?fbclid=IwAR0CRoG3VnIOsdqBeoeNr8RGW92NpTWEbKSPnvLW88h65oT6vljvyYxBMco
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Newly unsealed MUELLER document: Roger Stone is directly connected to 12 Russian hacker case (Original Post) pnwmom Feb 2019 OP
nice jberryhill Feb 2019 #1
Who is Krassenstein? He bird dogs 45 like nobody's business. nolabear Feb 2019 #2
His Twitter ID says he's an Editor at HillReporter.com pnwmom Feb 2019 #3
Thanks for looking for me. Have you heard of it? nolabear Feb 2019 #5
I've seen the site from time to time but I've wondered about him and his site, too. pnwmom Feb 2019 #7
He does very little actual reporting. fleur-de-lisa Feb 2019 #8
I have found him posting court documents before other people at times. pnwmom Feb 2019 #13
In other words, he's a blogger FakeNoose Feb 2019 #20
Fleur-de-lisa is Right on Point Indykatie Feb 2019 #24
There are two Krassensteins.. they are twins... Raster Feb 2019 #9
Brian and Ed Krassenstein NewJeffCT Feb 2019 #10
I mainly see them when they've reported a new court document. I just found more info pnwmom Feb 2019 #14
Brian Krassenstein Lindsay Feb 2019 #11
The brothers on Vice HAB911 Feb 2019 #18
"linked to a Russian ponzi scheme" Oops. progressoid Feb 2019 #27
Kick dalton99a Feb 2019 #4
K&R... spanone Feb 2019 #6
Lock the traitor up for conspiracy onetexan Feb 2019 #12
Stone is the key to opening the door to understanding this conspiracy.. kentuck Feb 2019 #15
(all we have to do is roll the Stone away from the door..... lastlib Feb 2019 #19
When Stone flashed his "V" it actually stands for "Vlad" Blue Owl Feb 2019 #16
republican traitors betrayed America Achilleaze Feb 2019 #17
why did some of those russians visit various states? certainot Feb 2019 #21
Something nefarious for sure. triron Feb 2019 #22
So this is why Trump is putting the wall in the front of the news. C Moon Feb 2019 #23
I feel like this and probably something else coming today is why we have a national emergency today TalenaGor Feb 2019 #25
K&R UCmeNdc Feb 2019 #26
Not clear whether this links zentrum Feb 2019 #28
The point is it links him to the 12 Russian hacker CASE. n/t pnwmom Feb 2019 #29
Ah-ha. Thnx. zentrum Feb 2019 #32
kickety Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2019 #30
Lock him... MarcoZandrini Feb 2019 #31
OH Yeeeeeaaaahhhhh. calimary Feb 2019 #33

nolabear

(41,987 posts)
2. Who is Krassenstein? He bird dogs 45 like nobody's business.
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 11:19 AM
Feb 2019

I don’t see him anywhere but man are he and another Krassenstein on his case on Twitter.

nolabear

(41,987 posts)
5. Thanks for looking for me. Have you heard of it?
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 11:23 AM
Feb 2019

I’m just making conversation while waiting for the typically late 45.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
7. I've seen the site from time to time but I've wondered about him and his site, too.
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 11:26 AM
Feb 2019

He seems to post a lot from original sources, so he seems legit.

fleur-de-lisa

(14,627 posts)
8. He does very little actual reporting.
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 11:30 AM
Feb 2019

He usually reads reports prepared by other journalists, then rehashes their stories and tries to pass it off as his own work.

Or he retweets stories by real journalists.

In my opinion, he is just short of a plagiarist.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
13. I have found him posting court documents before other people at times.
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 11:43 AM
Feb 2019

I think he does follow the documents, and that's not plagiarism.

FakeNoose

(32,645 posts)
20. In other words, he's a blogger
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 12:11 PM
Feb 2019

They all do the same thing, but they give credit to their sources, so they aren't plagiarizing.

Indykatie

(3,697 posts)
24. Fleur-de-lisa is Right on Point
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 02:00 PM
Feb 2019

They are 2 brothers who basically cut and paste others' work and NEVER provide a link to the original source material. They're dodgy in other ways too. Check out their financial history. I was not aware of the Hill connection but that site doesn't rank high on my list either.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
10. Brian and Ed Krassenstein
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 11:34 AM
Feb 2019

are enthusiastic anti-Trump guys, but they're not professional reporters and also are not academic/research types out publishing articles in journals. So, take their "reporting" with a grain of salt.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
14. I mainly see them when they've reported a new court document. I just found more info
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 11:44 AM
Feb 2019

on it by Vox, by the way, and added it to the OP.

Lindsay

(3,276 posts)
11. Brian Krassenstein
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 11:34 AM
Feb 2019

and his twin (I think) brother Ed seem pretty much to BE HillReporter.com.

(I'm guessing they both have day jobs.)

I think they're both dedicated amateur anti-Trumpers. I take most of what they write with a grain of salt, because it often seems to be wishful thinking. But in this case, a court filing is a court filing.

lastlib

(23,248 posts)
19. (all we have to do is roll the Stone away from the door.....
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 12:01 PM
Feb 2019

...and we'll find tRump(ski). And probably his evil worthless spawn as well.)

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
21. why did some of those russians visit various states?
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 12:59 PM
Feb 2019

was it to hack voting machines? can those machines be hacked if they're not turned on? were they hacking dem employees with voter data? couldn't that be done from a distance?

why would they travel to various different states?

C Moon

(12,213 posts)
23. So this is why Trump is putting the wall in the front of the news.
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 01:41 PM
Feb 2019

Instructed to do so by Putin, I'm sure.
McConnell's in on this, as well.
Throw them in prison, NOW!

TalenaGor

(1,104 posts)
25. I feel like this and probably something else coming today is why we have a national emergency today
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 02:17 PM
Feb 2019

"look over here"

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
28. Not clear whether this links
Fri Feb 15, 2019, 03:45 PM
Feb 2019

...Stone to all 12. Or if it's saying only that among the 12, something emerged linked to Stone. Sounds like more than one but not clearly all 12.

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