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meegbear

(25,438 posts)
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 11:38 AM Aug 2012

The Rude Pundit - Grappling with Obama's Un-Liberal Actions: A Voter's Conscience (Part 2)

So perhaps you are pro-Obama and you've come to terms with the drone war being waged in nations we are not at, you know, war with. You figure that it's a distant thing, and, yes, any Americans targeted in, say, Yemen deserved what they got. You know, you want everyone to know that you may be a liberal, but you're not a pussy. But what about your own rights? You're supposedly not a terrorist. And your neighbors are more than likely not.

We have to wrestle with this shit, we who say we're voting for the President. We have to have an answer or at least an understanding. And you have to be willing to accept the consequences of those actions.

In this case, a vote for President Obama means a vote for indefinite detention for Americans who are suspected of having any link to al-Qaeda. In this case a vote for President Obama means a vote to expand the surveillance of all communications of Americans, inside and outside the United States. All of these powers do or would exist without judicial oversight (other than kangaroo military tribunals).

The indefinite detention section of the National Defense Authorization Act, passed by Congress in 2011, says that the U.S. can hold a suspect "without trial, until the end of the hostilities." It was met with a mighty signing statement by President Obama where he pledged to never use his superpower for evil and that no Americans would be treated like filthy foreigners (except, you know, for the whole blowing them up with missiles overseas). But a group of activists and writers sued the administration over indefinite military detention, saying it was unconstitutional, and a judge agreed, putting a preliminary injunction on it.

Considering the signing statement, you'd think, "Well, guess that's game over." But you know how sometimes you're drunk and someone tries to stop you from taking that next shot for your own good? How many times do you say, "You know what? You're right. I should stop"? No, you say, "Fuck you, asshole, gimme the shot. I'm not nearly drunk enough. I haven't puked on myself yet." Now replace liquor with power and you pretty much know what happened.

The Obama administration, just a couple of weeks ago, appealed the ruling, saying that, since it's never happened, it doesn't need to be halted. It's not unlike a company selling a toy for toddlers that's made of razors and nails and refusing to recall it until a child gets hurt.

Where else do you want to go? You want to talk how the administration refuses to say how extensive its surveillance program of Americans is? You wanna head over to Gitmo (remember Gitmo? It got lost somewhere along the way once Republicans blocked any funding to close it)? You wanna talk about how the military is now limiting the detainees' access to their lawyers? You wanna come back home and talk about the brutalizing of any whistleblowers?

You can't ignore this shit. You just look like a fool if you do. Again, this is not just an extension of the very things we took to the streets to protest George W. Bush for, it's an expansion. And it's fucking scary shit. Because instead of reducing the power of the imperial president, an idea he criticized while running, Obama has embraced it. And, no matter how much you trust him, Obama ain't gonna be there some day and all these powers and laws will be.

Coming up in Part 3: Well, what the fuck are you gonna do?

http://rudepundit.blogspot.com/2012/08/grappling-with-obamas-un-liberal_23.html

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The Rude Pundit - Grappling with Obama's Un-Liberal Actions: A Voter's Conscience (Part 2) (Original Post) meegbear Aug 2012 OP
Rudie is absolutely correct. hifiguy Aug 2012 #1
I so wish Pres Obama were the Marxist, Socialist, Communist the RW claims he is FAHQ69_7 Aug 2012 #2
Hey, fuckstick! NYC_SKP Aug 2012 #6
Ouch. Hard fucking truths for sure, but it still won't stop me from helping bullwinkle428 Aug 2012 #3
I can very easily ignore that excrement hfojvt Aug 2012 #4
Gitmo? Seriously? jeff47 Aug 2012 #5
These are so depressing. I know I generally dismiss the average American as a lost cause, Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #7
 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
1. Rudie is absolutely correct.
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 11:42 AM
Aug 2012

But the idea of Willard becoming president is unthinkable.

Gads I hate having to vote for the lesser of two evils, but there is no choice.

 

FAHQ69_7

(41 posts)
2. I so wish Pres Obama were the Marxist, Socialist, Communist the RW claims he is
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 11:45 AM
Aug 2012

But you are correct Obama is the least vile of the 2 running for POTUS.

bullwinkle428

(20,629 posts)
3. Ouch. Hard fucking truths for sure, but it still won't stop me from helping
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 11:55 AM
Aug 2012

to get the vote out over the next several weeks.

SIGH.

Why does life have to be so complicated?

hfojvt

(37,573 posts)
4. I can very easily ignore that excrement
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 12:03 PM
Aug 2012

and fool is in the eye of the beholder.

I think it is more foolish to be all upset about the death of Al-Alwaki than it is to not be upset about it. And none of my protests of George W. Bush had anything to do with indefinite detention

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
5. Gitmo? Seriously?
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 02:02 PM
Aug 2012

So Obama's a dictator and can overrule Congress when they block shutting down Gitmo?

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
7. These are so depressing. I know I generally dismiss the average American as a lost cause,
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 11:15 PM
Aug 2012

ignorant, incurious, gullible, illiterate, but deep down I still want them to prove me wrong. I want to see that "wisdom of the American public" that used to be served up by the pundits a thousand years ago. Alas, here we are, living the unthinkable, fantastic, absurd future that was roundly mocked 40 years ago.

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