Report: Women Robert Kraft received massages from likely not trafficked

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

Robert Kraft’s arrest for solicitation of prostitution stemmed from an investigation into sex trafficking at a massage parlor in Florida, but the New England Patriots owner seems to have a good chance of distancing himself from that aspect of the case.

Kraft was charged with two counts of misdemeanor solicitation of prositution after he was allegedly seen on video receiving illegal sex acts from two separate women. According to ESPN’s TJ Quinn, many women who worked at the Orchids of Asia Day Spa in Jupiter — including several who were living at the establishment — are believed to be victims of sex trafficking. However, the two women who engaged in sexual activity with Kraft do not appear to have been.

Quinn notes that one woman is the manager of the spa while the other has a valid New York driver’s license. Both have massage licenses from the state of Florida, so prosecutors have no reason to believe they were living “underground” lives.

Kraft initially denied engaging in any illegal activity, but reports have since indicated that he is unlikely to dispute the charges against him due to the strong video evidence. However, people initially wondered if he was involved with sex trafficking after the way the initial story broke. There has been no indication that he was.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/report-women-robert-kraft-received-massages-from-likely-not-trafficked/ar-BBU7ueO?li=BBnbfcL

Interesting if true.

[JI7]

1. so these "willing participants" were in on forcing other girls into that shit

[DemocratSinceBirth]

2. How was Kraft able to get the "free" ones?

[Blue_true]

4. Yep. nt

[RandySF]

28. Bingo

[Blue_true]

3. Gee, that is like saying a blueberry muffin is different because it has two more blueberries.

The fact is, he went to a type of establishment that has a history of abusing women, many working against their will. So he gets no pass.

[Progressive Law]

16. Do you also refuse to give passes to consumers who purchase goods at Walmart?

[Blue_true]

19. Apples and oranges.

Customers of Walmart do not have direct knowledge that an item that they pick up is made by effective slave labor, a large number of products in that store are not. But a man using an Asian massage palor should have a healthy suspicion that the woman servicing him is working against her will, based upon years of that actually being proven in Court after raids.

[Progressive Law]

21. Customers at Walmart should also have a "healthy suspicion"...which is the same standard

that you used for Johns. Why are you applying the "Direct Knowledge" standard to Walmart shoppers, but only the "healthy suspicion" standard to Johns?

[Blue_true]

40. You make a good point. I know I try to determine the source of a

product if I have to buy at Walmart before purchasing.

[RockRaven]

5. This distinction has no impact on his moral culpability, they were still part of a trafficking ring

Every "customer" who engaged that ring's "services" is morally responsible for that ring existing -- even if only a portion of the women were trafficked, and only a portion of the men had contact with a trafficked woman. Without the demand, there would have been no trafficking to generate the supply. The fact, if it is even true, that Kraft's individual acts involved non-trafficked women is not relevant. How can I say such a thing? Well, the grounds for this conversation is the moral question, because there is no legal issue here -- he isn't charged with trafficking.

Also, let's put Kraft's PR spin in context. He denied doing anything illegal. Then he found out it was on tape. Now he's unlikely to dispute the charges. So let's be really clear about this -- he has no credibility, and neither does anyone who leaks to the media on his behalf. He's a goddamned liar. His statements and proxies deserve no consideration, not one second.

[harumph]

6. Did he have reason to believe that girls at the "spa" were being trafficked?

"One woman is the manager of the spa"... so he got a blow job from the girls' pimp... I mean "manager"
of the "spa."

Hey, then no problem.

Is Steve DelVecchio a lawyer - umm...no... there is an attorney by that name - but it's not this
guy. He's a sports writer. He's merely speculating.

The extent of his "involvement" is TBD.


Looks like Steve DelVecchio is giving Kraft a blow job this time.

[JI7]

7. the fact they were having sex with him.

[harumph]

10. I get it...forgot to add the sarcasm thingie

[Progressive Law]

18. Do you also dispute the District Attorney's prelim finding that...

... that prosecutors "have no reason to believe they (providers) were living underground lives"?

[Blue_true]

20. They weren't living underground lives, but likely forced the women found to be living that life

to live it. Pretty slippery ice you're on.

[Progressive Law]

23. You dismissed the news article because ti was written by a non-attorney.

But you ignored the fact that it referenced attorney findings.

[0rganism]

8. and he "likely" didn't give a shit

because that costs extra

[rockfordfile]

11. That's probably true. It does seem he is a pos.

[Blue_true]

22. Which is sad.

The guy is worth billions, yet he choses a place where women are forced to give $50 blowjobs. How much more morally empty can a person get.

[Generic Brad]

9. Which billionaire funded this "report"?

Pretty krafty, if you ask me.

[Progressive Law]

15. District Attorney offices are funded by tax payers.

[Blue_true]

24. So, he got a blowjob from a slavedriver instead of a slave?

WHAT MORAL DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?!!!!!!

[Progressive Law]

25. I never morally defended Kraft.

[Blue_true]

39. Ok, then I apologize. It just seemed to me that you were. I apologize again. nt

[madville]

12. I agree with Kamala Harris, decriminalize sex work

Government should not be regulating sexual behavior between consenting adults.

[Blue_true]

26. Decriminalize but inspect heavily.

People should not be allowed to have people selling sex against their will.

[Hortensis]

46. We think?! :) YES.

Decriminalize out of commitment to personal rights and freedoms for all.

Monitoring and controls as needed to secure personal rights and freedoms for all.

[Blue_true]

51. Exactly. nt

[LiberalFighter]

13. How can he deny receiving sex?

If all he wanted was a real massage not involving sex then he went about it all wrong.

As wealthy as he is, all he needed to do was have his secretary or AA call a legitimate place for an appointment to show up in his office. Time should be too valuable for him to waste by going to the place of business when they could come to his office.

[Trenzalore]

17. The defense as implausible as it is might have worked if he went there once

When he showed up the next day that is kind of out the window.

I'm honestly surprised that the guys with billions frequent these places. Seems very high risk, prone to being busted.

[Blue_true]

27. He did not care enough to insure that ALL women working there did so by choice.

Doing that was just too hard for him.

[Progressive Law]

30. Do you care enough to **insure** that every manufactured item you purchase is produced...

...by non-abusive labor?

[Blue_true]

36. Yes I do. In fact I work very hard at that each time I buy something.

I mentioned Walmart (in my city unfortunately that is one of only three choices). I shop for clothing online and look for Union label clothing, if I can't find that, I look for labels whose value statement covers fair treatment of employees, and I confirm that before I buy. It generally takes me a week to buy a shirt or pair of trousers or a suit for that reason.

[Inkfreak]

45. How exhausting.

[LanternWaste]

47. Maintaining one's convictions often appears so.

Lacking the courage of those same convictions is indeed, very convenient and relaxing.

[Inkfreak]

49. My jeans are very convenient and relaxing.

[Blue_true]

50. The effort is worth it. I can wear stuff without thinking about the people that made it being

treated badly. I apply the same standard when selecting vendors for my primary business. If a person isn't willing to inconvenience themselves for something they deem important, then those people have no right to complain about how shitty the world is.

[JenniferJuniper]

14. Why does a billionaire

go to a seedy parlor in a strip mall in Jupiter, FL?

[Progressive Law]

29. Some of the wealthiest people are cheapskates.

And some people who can afford a Porsche prefer a Chevy Truck.

More expensive does not always equate to more desirable.

[ZZenith]

31. Say... you wouldn't happen to own a massage parlor in Florida, would you?

[Progressive Law]

32. No I do not. But thanks for publicly asking. Very classy.

[ZZenith]

35. I do what I can.

[Empowerer]

41. Excellent question

[Blue_true]

37. We are not talking about vehicles here.

Women providing sex against their will is not remotely the same as a rich person buying a pickup instead of a Porche.

[Progressive Law]

43. I didn't say paying women for sex is like buying a vehicle. It's called an analogy.

To illustrate why a wealthy person might opt for a less expensive commodity.

[LanternWaste]

48. You do however, consistently apply the commodification of women as an analogy.

To illustrate... well, whatever your bias compels you to.

[Empowerer]

52. You noticed that, too?

[Progressive Law]

53. Because I respect a sex-workers inherent right to chose that line of work. Too bad..

..many people disrespect that inherent right to chose.

[Progressive Law]

44. BTW: The DA said the women who serviced Kraft were likely not doing it against their will.

[lapfog_1]

33. why do they even drive cars

when you have that sort of money you hire drivers... and never run the risk of a DUI again...

but Justin Beiber, etc, etc.

[Blue_true]

38. He was driven to the massage palor by a driver.

A different late model Bentley was used each time.

[Blue_true]

34. He doesn't care or something about women living on slavery turn him on.

Given the history of those places, anyone with half a brain would avoid them like the plague.

[JI7]

42. because high priced Escorts, Gold Diggers and simlar Types have more power in relationships usually

including sexually . and some guys don't mind this because they actually do enjoy spending time with women and forming relationships.