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ProSense

(116,464 posts)
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 03:34 PM Aug 2012

Romney: I'm not just entitled to my own opinions, I'm entitled to my own facts

Romney: I'm not just entitled to my own opinions, I'm entitled to my own facts

by Jed Lewison

So The Des Moines Register sat down with Mitt Romney for an interview yesterday and asked him to defend his welfare attack ads from fact checkers who say his claims were inaccurate. Here's the question they asked:

Fact checkers have said it only opened the door for states to ask for those waivers, it didn’t end that requirement, but your campaign commercials in Iowa say he ended it.

I would have also noted that waivers would only be granted to states seeking to experiment with ways to move more people from welfare to work, but the question gets the basic facts right: The Obama administration merely invited applications for such waivers, but none have yet been granted. And Romney's answer to this basic assertion of fact?

Fact checkers on both sides of the aisle will look in the way they think is most consistent with their own views. It’s very clear that others who have looked at the same issue feel that the president violates the provision of the act which requires work in welfare, defines what work is. He guts that, he ends that requirement for those that seek that welfare.

Fact checkers on both sides? Uh, facts are facts, and in this case the facts are not on Mitt Romney's side. Even if we were to set aside the question of whether granting waivers would gut welfare reform, no waivers have been granted. Nothing has been gutted. Period. That's not a question of opinion. It's a question of fact. Every single fact checker has said the same thing.

Not even Newt Gingrich was willing to sling as much bull on this topic as Romney did in that answer. Appearing as a surrogate for Romney on CNN, Gingrich conceded that no waivers had been granted and told Anderson Cooper that there was "no proof" that Obama would ever grant waivers in such a fashion that could be consistent with Romney's claims. Gingrich did say, however, that he believed in his heart that Obama wanted to undermine welfare reform. That's a bit loco, but at least it's a matter of opinion. On the facts, Romney is wrong. There are no two ways about it.

As ridiculous as Romney's answer to that question was, earlier in the interview he had offered an even more absurd response.

When the welfare reauthorization bill was passed, effort was taken specifically to limit the type of work that qualified as work for welfare. There had been reports of wide array of activities that were really not work but were being called work. And so Congress said that the federal government may not provide a waiver from the work requirement, you may not redefine the work requirement. That was specifically included, I believe it was section 407 of the act.

Perhaps Mitt Romney knows about section 407 because when he was governor of Massachusetts, the state had a section 407 waiver.



Here's the key point about this waiver: Massachusetts wasn't using it to "gut" welfare reform. The waiver was put in place because Massachusetts had its own welfare reform policies that were more aggressive than federal law. In other words, Mitt Romney knows, from personal experience, that getting a section 407 waiver isn't the same thing as gutting welfare reform. In fact, waivers can help reform be even more effective. There's no question but that Mitt Romney is aware of this, yet he nonetheless continues smearing President Obama with false attacks on welfare, because he not only feels entitled to own opinions, he feels entitled to his own facts—as long as they suit his personal ambition.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/23/1123338/-Romney-I-m-not-just-entitled-to-my-own-opinions-I-m-entitled-to-my-own-facts






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Romney: I'm not just entitled to my own opinions, I'm entitled to my own facts (Original Post) ProSense Aug 2012 OP
Kick! n/t ProSense Aug 2012 #1
Read Romney's response at driftglass .com bjobotts Aug 2012 #16
K&r msanthrope Aug 2012 #2
Another. n/t ProSense Aug 2012 #3
grrrr Strat0 Aug 2012 #4
All the media takes a "kid glove" approach because they are afraid of losing access. xtraxritical Aug 2012 #7
kick Angry Dragon Aug 2012 #5
k+r! TeamPooka Aug 2012 #6
Romney the Liar in Chief.. Best Dream case Scenario.. Cha Aug 2012 #8
"I'm not just entitled to my own opinions, I'm entitled to my own facts." polichick Aug 2012 #9
Romney brings on Lyin' Ryan aka Dorian Gray bjobotts Aug 2012 #17
I think the intent is to put "Welfare" and "Obama" in the same sentence as often as possible. mattclearing Aug 2012 #10
As I Read This DallasNE Aug 2012 #11
Face it oldsarge54 Aug 2012 #12
Conservatives make a big show of burnsei sensei Aug 2012 #13
It's obvious that their doctrine, YellaDog1950 Aug 2012 #14
He has the moral fiber of a criminal babboon Generic Other Aug 2012 #15
 

bjobotts

(9,141 posts)
16. Read Romney's response at driftglass .com
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 04:08 PM
Aug 2012

From drift glass: “I will answer any questions…...except those related to abortion.

And Todd Akin.

And my years at Bain.

Also I will not be answering any questions about my family, my residences or my term as governor of Massachusetts.

Questions about my religion or my taxes are also off-limits, as are all questions about my vice presidential nominee's positions, my Party's platform and the entire Bush Administration.

Also no questions about droughts.
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Having read the schedule for the big convention next week, I see that there will be a "Birther" night and a "The U.N. is gonna take our guns away!" night and a "Women who are 'legitimately' raped don't get pregnant" night and a "Climate change is a Commie Hoax" night and even time carved out for a special tribute to all nine Black Republicans, but I can't figure out which night will be featuring speeches from last Republican President or Vice President of the United States?

You remember, those two gentlemen who were re-elected in 2004 with more votes than any other Republican ticket in American history?"---driftglass.com His rant on the republican party is excellent for those who want some relief for their frustrations with the GOP and their media puppets, this site is excellent.
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Strat0

(34 posts)
4. grrrr
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 01:24 PM
Aug 2012

I don't know where the Des Moines Register or the reporter lie politically, however, the simple lack of a follow-up question turns the quoted article from journalism to advertisement, and the reporter from journalist to Romney surrogate. I know this is nothing new, but man it gets frustrating sometimes.

Cha

(297,240 posts)
8. Romney the Liar in Chief.. Best Dream case Scenario..
Fri Aug 24, 2012, 10:19 PM
Aug 2012

Romney gets held accountable for every damn lie he's ever told and the corporatemediawhore$$$ are the ones who get off their lazy asses and finally pry open their glued up mouths to DO IT.

When pigs fly and satan's slipping on ice.

 

bjobotts

(9,141 posts)
17. Romney brings on Lyin' Ryan aka Dorian Gray
Sun Aug 26, 2012, 04:17 PM
Aug 2012

Ryan must keep his secret painted portrait well hidden. As one woman claimed ..."Who are these men to make the decision to make my 2 & 3 yr. old children orphans by refusing to allow me to have an abortion when my life is in danger from my pregnancy?"

mattclearing

(10,091 posts)
10. I think the intent is to put "Welfare" and "Obama" in the same sentence as often as possible.
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 12:36 AM
Aug 2012

To this end, fact-checkers and Democrats are playing into the Republican racist-messaging machine's hands.

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
11. As I Read This
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 01:06 AM
Aug 2012

Romney is saying that if he can hire someone to tell him what he wants to hear that that establishes the credibility for the point he is making. The circular logic numbs the mind. This is identical to how Richard Nixon operated. When Nixon or Romney say something it establishes it as fact. Yeah, right!

oldsarge54

(582 posts)
12. Face it
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 07:07 AM
Aug 2012

Republicans don't need facts. They just accept everything from their approved news sources as truth. Sort of like 2nd Amendment perverter's. Democrats have a slight disadvantage here. They like their facts and sources from all over the place, hence are incapable of speaking in one voice. I prefer it that way.

burnsei sensei

(1,820 posts)
13. Conservatives make a big show of
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 10:07 AM
Aug 2012

their appreciation for what they call "objective truth."

Quote:
Fact checkers on both sides of the aisle will look in the way they think is most consistent with their own views.
end

Proof positive that this candidate and his friends do not believe in objective truth or the objective existence of fact.
They subjectivize the environment, women, the economy, and society.
And because they accept only their own subjective assessment of these things, their policies will serve only their interests.
Decadence?
Just look at Romney/Ryan.
No greater expression of it exists.

YellaDog1950

(44 posts)
14. It's obvious that their doctrine,
Sat Aug 25, 2012, 10:07 AM
Aug 2012

Lying for the Lord, rolls over into Lying to Get the Presidency. No sin as long as it's for the greater good. Yeah, my a**.

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