The Right Wing propaganda machine is a co-conspirator in all of this.

[shockey80]

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People like Pecker, Hannity, leaders in the NRA , Republican politicians and many others have created an operation whose goal is to subvert our democracy. Win at all cost through propaganda, lies, cheating, and criminal acts. In my opinion they are all traitors.

The Democrats must call them before Congress and expose this criminal enterprise to the American people. Many of them should go to prison. This is a big part of the Trump investigation, it's all connected. The facts don't lie, they have been and are trying to subvert our democracy. They no longer believe in it.


We truly are in a cold civil war. It is the people who believe in our democracy against those who do not.

[zaj]

1. Agreed, completely

But we are not in a civic war... We've fought and hundreds of thousands died in one of those. No need to erase history for our own propoganda.

[shockey80]

2. Maybe I should have said, a cold civil war.

[xeodtech]

14. Perfect!

Describes our current circumstances exactly!!

[zaj]

20. Interesting concept.

Better, for sure

[FiveGoodMen]

17. A Civic War!

Imagine the sweeping lines of Hondas arrayed for battle!

[mopinko]

18. haha good one. i knew

there was a joke in there somewhere, but ya beat me to it.

[zaj]

19. Hahahaha!

[forklift]

3. Absolutely

I heard someone say on TV "If Nixon had Fox News, he wouldn't have had to resign."

[JHB]

7. When working in the Nixon administration, Roger Ailes proposed "GOP TV"...

Rupert Murdoch gave him the opportunity to take it from concept to production model.

[forklift]

8. Thank you

I didn't know that

[DemocracyMouse]

9. Rupert Murdoch hails from Australia. Therefore more than one foreign crime boss has subverted our

democracy.

BTW, did anyone else noticed a slew of Republicans have been amping up the use of "the Democrat Party" instead of "the Democratic Party"? Shall we start using "the Repub Party"? (Not even stop at Republic and go straight to the "pub.&quot

Propaganda? Or the Nines?

[TheRealNorth]

4. Morese, we need to fight it

Ask restaurants/establishments to the change the channel and if they don't, leave.

I also remember some other posters had great ideas about requesting or getting a hold of the remote for the TV and deleting fox news from the pre-programmed list of stations.

[Firestorm49]

5. Very true.

Two points, unrelated, but significant.
1. I’m not sure if it was on Rachael or CNN, but one of the guest commentators, possibly Joyce Vance (?) stated that Trump neither knows nor makes any distinction between lies and truth. There is a void, filled and fueled by his ego. It’s all the same to him, as long as he thinks that he’s getting what he wants. To me, as many of us know, this shows a distinct lack of moral character, which his uneducated base blindly overlooks, and at the worst, accepts.

2). At a campaign rally Trump made the statement, out in the open, that if he didn’t win the election there would be rioting in the streets. Again, this came from a person who became the unpopularly elected president.....again.This is not Presidential talk.

Move forward to Michael Cohen during the House testimony; “Indeed, given my experience working with Mr. Trump, I fear if he loses the election in 2020, that there will never be a peaceful transition of power.”

Are you concerned about this scenario? Should you be? Are Republicans willing to completely subvert democracy to retain power - power of a different type? You know how they operate. I’d be very concerned about what this shitbag of a president and his complicit bottom feeding party may do to create chaos, anarchy, and the death of America if the Buffoon In Chief loses the next election - which to me is a given. Hold on to your seats, America. The worst is yet to come.

[DemocracyMouse]

10. It's not just his poorly educated base. Cohen admitted to stifling reports about Trump's own grades!

[KPN]

11. Which is why we need desperately to hold some key figure(s) on the right accountable with severe

penalties, like life in prison with no opportunity for parole. Without consequences for intentionally creating the current condition, what guarantees are there that it will not repeat itself shortly?

[bluestarone]

6. So TRUE but

Rumps base will listen to NOTHING else but FOX! I won't listen to FOX EVER! and THAT'S the problem today. This is planned and taken advantage of by RUSSIA, RETHUGS!Planned long ago. (i really believe this) How to over come this, is the key to stopping it. People in this country are so divided! (How can some people can be so BLIND and STUPID?)

[DemocracyMouse]

12. Don't forget, Murdoch came from Australia, Trump's family

recently came from Germany (and they wouldn't let his gdad back in!)

Why do we not see the obvious? This is old school Americans (African, British, Native Americans and people from all across the Americas) vs relative newcomers (Murdoch, Putin, Melania and the Trumps).

Trump has pulled the biggest switcheroo on everyone in the US, including the members of DU. Democracy is a precious old growth forest and Trump's newly minted American gang is the problem, not the Press, Blacks and the Latinx's he villifies.

Send these German and East European Trumpians and one Australian bullshitter to citizen training camps (i.e. jail).

[maxsolomon]

16. The Trumps have been here long enough.

He's a grifter who realized he could con the entire GOP, but he's 2nd generation, IIRC. His Grandfather was the immigrant.

Nativism is a dead end in arguing against him.

[yaesu]

13. The tRump crime family is vast and reaches throughout the GOP, this is why they must be charged

with RICO violations, but, we all know that the rich & powerful have different justice in this country.

[certainot]

15. dem investigators need to assume the russians may have been using talk radio for at least a decade

incl.
using limbaugh to force mccain to pick palin 2008
using talk radio etc to create and direct tea party vs establishment GOP
limbaugh creating 'climategate' hoax from russian hacked emails 2009
limbaugh pushing debt default in 2011
benghazi bullshit
limbaugh and hannity getting payola to get trump through the primaries and now defending him and attacking 'deep state' 100%
polluting the jury pool

Cohen needs to be asked about why Trump wanted Sam Nunberg to study talk radio in 2014 and

if the talkers they listened to were in states the russians targeted for trolling

From “Operation Trump”, by Gabriel Sherman April 3, 2016:

Throughout 2014, the three (Roger Stone, Michael Cohen, and Sam Nunberg) fed Trump strategy memos and political intelligence. “I listened to thousands of hours of talk radio, and he was getting reports from me,” Nunberg recalled. What those reports said was that the GOP base was frothing over a handful of issues including immigration, Obamacare, and Common Core. While Jeb Bush talked about crossing the border as an “act of love,” Trump was thinking about how high to build his wall. “We either have borders or we don’t,” Trump told the faithful who flocked to the annual CPAC conference in 2014.

Why would cheapskate Trump pay for anyone to listen “to 1000’s of hours of talk radio?” If he didn’t pay for it directly from Trump funds, how did he pay for it?

Talk radio king Limbaugh is a Trump friend and provides sanitized transcripts of his show to help keep other talk radio hosts and GOP politicians and media on the same page so it’s unlikely Nunberg listened to a lot of Limbaugh. Unless they were really stupid.

Most of the national talkers follow the Limbaugh lead in interpreting news and events. The most logical reason for listening to that much talk radio would be to get a flavor of issues talked about in different states.

In a Washington Post piece a Russian talked about working for a trolling operation in late 2014.

You got a list of topics to write about.

Did Manafort’s friend Stone, who used talk radio in Florida to attack Al Gore and recount efforts as far back as 2000, use talk radio to coordinate Russian trolling in Tea Party and Republican obstruction and attacks during the Obama administration?

There is circumstantial evidence that the Kremlin has used talk radio at least as far back as 2008 and the McCain campaign, co-chaired by Paul Manafort, when Limbaugh withheld his support until minutes after McCain chose Sarah Palin for VP.

Dems need to ask Cohen, Nunberg if Trump study of talk radio in 2014 was to coordinate w/Kremlin.

Questions that Democrats investigating Trump could to ask Nunberg, but Cohen might also know some answers:

did Trump order that?
if not, who?
if it was your mentor Stone, did he give any indication he had done this before?
how do you know Trump was getting your reports?
who, in what states, were you asked to listen to?
did you include Limbaugh’s daily transcripts in your analysis?
what were you asked to listen for?
in what form did they want your reports? Paragraphs, lists, talking points, topics?
who did you give those reports to?
who ended up with your reports?
did it get further analysis after yours?
did the analysis leave the Trump organization?
was there any mention of Russian involvement?
was there any mention of social media coordination?
who paid for that listening?
how, in what form were you paid?

[Progressive Jones]

28. Excellent analysis! nt

[Alwaysna]

21. Getting him out of the WH when he loses should be easy.

Simply create a trail of French fries, quarter pounders and pieces of KFC chicken leading out the door and into a paddy wagon!

[Firestorm49]

25. Don't forget to add the hamberders.

[kwijybo]

22. Follow the money

The NRA and the Republican Politicians got lots of money from Russia. Makes you wonder what Pecker, Hannity, and the others got, and from who.

[John1956PA]

23. +100. My thoughts as well. n/t

[Firestorm49]

24. Agreed, but those on the other side are just as convinced that Dems are doing the same thing.

[Power 2 the People]

26. +1

[LiberalLovinLug]

27. Yes, this SHOULD be investigated thoroughly - but I doubt it ever will be

Because the Fairness Doctrine is done long ago, and the barn doors are shut. You think Republican politicians in Washington have a hard time letting go of power?...you ain't seen nothing yet when it comes to privately owned Republican leaning media companies, heck all private media empires. Democrats refused to make a stand on that bridge and it was crossed long ago. Final nail put in during Bill Clinton's term.

They will scream bloody murder. And the 'freedom of speech' argument mixed with pro-capitalist private business cheerleading, will quash any attempt.

Maybe there is some deep scandal that would force the "Right Wing propaganda machine" to its knees, but it would have to be massively over the top from what we've seen. They have already stood the test of a lot of time, getting away with lying on a daily basis, inventing CTs and pretending it is news.

The only hope is that we can retain Net Neutrality. And sites like DU and others can continue to be easily accessible so people can find the truth on the net.

[Sherman A1]

29. Agreed, however

Let’s not forget the Breathless 24/7 Cable Noise Infotainment Channels that provides so much free airtime for every lie that he spews.

[watoos]

30. Agree, shouldn't omit msnbc or cnn.

They are also complicit.

[Sherman A1]

32. They most certainly are so

and are working hard it seems to dumb down the public with their drivel.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

31. At this point I'd even venture to say that many pukes don't even know

What it is they think they’re “winning”.

pwning the libs I guess. Assjacks.

[Nitram]

33. I think we all have known this for years now.

Also, Trump is an ignorant, heartless, moron.