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cali

(114,904 posts)
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 05:16 PM Aug 2012

All signs point to a Romney victory except one (a very big one)

When you squint your eyes and look only at the broad historical trends at play in this presidential election, all signs point to a victory for Mitt Romney in November.

Back in February, the Signal's first draft of its elections model, which relied only on historical data, predicted that Obama would win the election with 303 electoral votes. This model relies heavily on economic indicators and was published before the dismal second quarter economic figures. If you apply that same model through June, Romney wins with 290 electoral votes to Obama's 248.

Our updated model, which does factor in polls and markets, still has Obama winning the election with 303 votes.

We searched for an explanation for difference by looking for data points that are uniquely different this year than in the historical elections. There is one glaringly obvious factor: the favorability difference between Obama and Romney.

Favorability is shockingly bad for Romney. Pollsters routinely ask questions like, "Do you have a favorable or unfavorable impression of …" for both Obama and Romney. Currently, the Pollster average has Obama with 48 percent favorability and 45 percent unfavorability, while Romney is lingering with 41 percent favorability and 47 percent unfavorability. Romney's consistent negative favorability to unfavorability split is unprecedented in American politics.

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http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/signal/signs-point-romney-victory-except-one-very-big-160549179.html

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All signs point to a Romney victory except one (a very big one) (Original Post) cali Aug 2012 OP
Let's hope it's enough to compensate KaryninMiami Aug 2012 #1
Ditto that. silverweb Aug 2012 #9
If You...... rsmith6621 Aug 2012 #2
I'm sorry, but you're talking about a country that elected Richard Nixon TWICE Glorfindel Aug 2012 #3
You know, ProSense Aug 2012 #4
I am happy to bask in your positive response KaryninMiami Aug 2012 #5
Cheating and theft are concerns, but ProSense Aug 2012 #6
And the cheating and theft are on the margins only. randome Aug 2012 #7
The Repig ticket's biggest problem is hifiguy Aug 2012 #8

KaryninMiami

(3,073 posts)
1. Let's hope it's enough to compensate
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 05:24 PM
Aug 2012

We have massive disenfranchisement, purging, photo IDs and rigged machines. I'm just not so sure that it is- especially knowing how many will vote for anyone just to get rid of Obama. They haven't begun to fight yet and by November, he will be demonized beyond anything we could have ever imagined. So while I know the O team is brilliant (they beat the Clinton machine after all), the hatred and endless funds and disenfranchisement will make things really difficult. I'm not losing hope but am very concerned.

silverweb

(16,402 posts)
9. Ditto that.
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 06:53 PM
Aug 2012

[font color="green" face="Verdana"]The reTHUGs know they can't win honestly, so they're attempting to get the fix in with whatever underhanded tactics they can get away with.

We have cause to be very concerned.

rsmith6621

(6,942 posts)
2. If You......
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 05:28 PM
Aug 2012


...... are not likable people will not vote for you, I don't care what your policy's are. Mitt is just not AUTHENTIC when it comes to understanding the middle class.

Glorfindel

(9,730 posts)
3. I'm sorry, but you're talking about a country that elected Richard Nixon TWICE
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 05:39 PM
Aug 2012

Surely no less likable human being ever lived, and he was as authentic as a three-dollar bill. I won't even mention the Smirking Chimp and his master/mentor, the Killer Penguin.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
4. You know,
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 05:53 PM
Aug 2012

the title is provocative, but other than the fact that some polls show Romney leading by a few points on the issue of the economy, he trails Obama in almost every national poll and on almost every other issue.

From the piece:

Our updated model, which does factor in polls and markets, still has Obama winning the election with 303 votes.


Yeah, Romney could win, but all signs do not point to his victory. The likeability is a huge factor, but it's not the only one. Obama also leads in favorability and on many key issues.

For example, the NYT poll that showed Obama leading in FL, OH and WI, also showed problems for Mitt on the issue of Medicare and among seniors.

This should have Romney worried:

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* In Florida, 48 percent of seniors say Romney would do a better job on Medicare, versus 44 percent who say that about Obama (the Ryan pick was supposed to be particularly problematic in this state).

* In Ohio, 49 percent of seniors say Romney would do a better job on Medicare, versus 43 percent who say that about Obama.

* In Wisconsin, 49 percent say Obama would do a better job on Medicare, versus 46 percent who say that about Romney. Close.

What’s striking is that the poll also finds very big majorities of seniors in all three states support leaving Medicare as it is, while small minorities support changing it so government provides fixed amounts to spend on insurance. In Florida, it’s 67-24; in Ohio it’s 68-22; and in Wisconsin it’s 60-25. Yet in two of the three states — ones that could decide the presidency — seniors support Romney over Obama on the issue. (A Post poll also found seniors view Ryan favorably by 50-35.)

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/in-florida-and-ohio-seniors-back-romney-over-obama-on-medicare/2012/08/23/acab7ab6-ed50-11e1-9ddc-340d5efb1e9c_blog.html

The "better job" numbers should give Romney pause, these are much too close for a traditional GOP voting bloc.

Now polling isn't necessarily going to correlate with election results, but McCain won seniors (65 and older) by eight points in Florida and by 11 points in Ohio. Wisconsin was split.

The numbers for "leaving Medicare as is" represents a huge opportunity for the Obama campaign. They need to hammer Romney-Ryan on their plan to end Medicare. Shaving a few points off, even to a split, could be disastrous for Romney.









KaryninMiami

(3,073 posts)
5. I am happy to bask in your positive response
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 06:00 PM
Aug 2012

But still worried that the cheating and theft combined with the hatred will result in a Romney win which is terrifying. But I love and will do my best to focus on your optimism!

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
6. Cheating and theft are concerns, but
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 06:04 PM
Aug 2012

those are not the signs being discussed. The effort to give Republicans some room to suppress the vote is noted.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
7. And the cheating and theft are on the margins only.
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 06:10 PM
Aug 2012

That won't be enough this time around when even Republicans don't like their candidate and when demographics are favoring Progressives.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
8. The Repig ticket's biggest problem is
Thu Aug 23, 2012, 06:11 PM
Aug 2012

that they are both utterly soulless assholes and don't even try to pretend otherwise. They don't pass the smell test. Even the Chimp could make a reasonable stab at being avuncular and laugh at himself once in a while. Romney and Lyin Ryan are pure, Randian sociopaths.

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