We Need a Landslide. We Need Hillary Clinton as President Obama's VP.

[David Zephyr]

The election is too close in the battleground states. It should not even be close.

We need voter enthusiasm just like we had in '08 in November '12. Hillary Clinton brings that.

We need to overcome voter-suppression tricks by massive turn-out. Hillary Clinton brings that.

We need Democrats who may not vote this time voting. Hillary Clinton brings that.

We need our Democrats to keep control of the Senate. Hillary Clinton brings that.

We need to win back the House of Representatives. Hillary Clinton brings that.

We need a Congress that will work with President Obama for 4 years. Hillary Clinton brings that.

We must defeat the GOP's financial advantage with turn-out. Hillary Clinton brings that.

We need millions of Americans tuning into our National Convention. Hillary Clinton brings that.

We need President Obama continuing his transformative presidency. Hillary Clinton brings that.

We need massive crowds like we had in '08 when Obama campaigns. Hillary Clinton brings that.

For the sake of the nation, we need a friggin' landslide. Hillary Clinton brings that.

WE NEED President Obama to have four more years. And yes, Hillary Clinton brings that.

[trumad]

1. Uh no...

Biden is just fine.

[David Zephyr]

4. He won't deliver Florida or Virginia.

Hillary can.

[Cali_Democrat]

59. Obama won Florida and Virginia without Hillary on the ticket in 2008

[WI_DEM]

62. Do you even see the polls? Obama is 5-8 points ahead in VA and leading by 3 in FL

[FarPoint]

66. She probably will campaign for Obama in these target areas.

Bill Clinton will also do his share too. It's all about the timing.

[Floyd_Gondolli]

68. She won't campaign for him

Because there is an unwritten rule that cabinet members don't campaign or get involved in electoral politics.

[Chiyo-chichi]

145. So what? There's also an unwritten rule that presidential candidates release multiple tax returns.

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[INdemo]

140. I disagree..he has a lead in Florida and the Seniors will be voting against changing

Medicare and other social programs.Bet he carries VA also..
Biden is just fine on the ticket

[snooper2]

142. you want to make some bets on that?

I'm always looking to make easy money

[KamaAina]

149. Rmoney shot himself in the foot in both those states by picking Ryan.

Florida's seniors are rightly skeptical of his Medicare plan. Similarly, the many Federal workers in northern Va. won't like his plan to slash the federal workforce.

So while Biden may not be able to deliver Florida or Virginia, Ryan can.

[Art_from_Ark]

97. I don't have anything against Biden, but...

Even if Obama wins in 2012, Biden is not going to run in 2016. If historical precedent is any indication, the odds of us winning in 2016 are not good. We have never had three Democratic administrations in a row since FDR/Truman, and none before that going back to the Civil War (Of course Gore actually won in 2000, but he was cheated out of his victory). At any rate, if Obama wins this year, in 2016 it would be one of our "new faces" versus one of their "new faces", and, unfortunately, the historical precedent is that their "new face" will win (along with lots of House and Senate seats). So what I am saying is that I, personally, would have preferred to have a "rising star" in the VP slot this time around to make a name for him/herself and perhaps give us an edge in 2016.

[AtomicKitten]

117. Rumor has it he's seriously considering a run in 2016.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/matthews-panel-looks-to-2016-biden-seriously-considering-running-for-president/

[Art_from_Ark]

119. He would be 74 years old in 2016

I doubt if he is really considering a serious run

[AtomicKitten]

125. LOL. Well, in the words of Elvis Presley:

"Ambition is a dream with a V8 engine."

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

138. I agree, but I don't...

I think your analysis is spot-on, but I also thing the worst place for one of our "new faces" is in the Vice President's role. What we need is to keep the Senate and regain the House. And then have Reid and Pelosi appoint one of these up-and-comers to key leadership positions. Note that I don't think Reid should step aside for that person - He's in a lightning-rod role, and that's not good for someone who wants to run for President in four years. Same with Pelosi.

[Politicalboi]

153. "he was cheated out of his victory"

We were cheated too. Actually the whole world was cheated.

[Buzz Clik]

177. I like Hillary. But ... no.

geez.

Hillary would rally the base, but nobody else.

[Scuba]

2. I'm good with Joe, but thanks for asking.

[Coyotl]

141. Think about how voters would react to a Ryan vs Clinton V-P choice

compared to Biden vs. Ryan

Women would vote Hillary 2 to 1

[Scuba]

144. Women will vote Biden 2 to 1 over Ryan, and you won't have the stigma of ....

... "he chose the wrong guy last time, he just admitted it."


Besides, I'm fine with Joe.

[kysrsoze]

3. What better way to cower to Repubs' fake Biden controversy than to take their advice!

F**k that sh*t.

[David Zephyr]

6. It wasn't their "advice". It's their greatest fear and it's why they "suggested" it.

Do you want four years of Romeny and Ryan?

You'd better think about that long and hard.

[kysrsoze]

12. Just because you believe in this plan doesn't mean the rest of us do.

That shows nothing but weakness and desperation. Hillary is fine as Sec'y Of State, and Biden will wipe the debate floor with Ryan's face. It's only a week or so after the announcement, and their party is already turning into an even bigger mess.

[David Zephyr]

15. It's about voter turn out.

.

[kysrsoze]

22. It's not like shes not already on the team. If people aren't willin to turn out now...

Obama will deserve to lose. The campaign is constantly thrashing R/R. I guarantee repubs will turn out in droves to vote against Obama/Clinton.

[KeepItReal]

63. How about stopping GOP's voter suppression?

Obama wins if people are not disenfranchised en masse via voter roll purges, ID requirements, and reduced polling locations & hours.

[CabCurious]

100. You're stretching a GOP talking point rather thin...

Hillary would not galvanize additional support.
Hillary would not be able to run in 2016 to extend a legacy.
A change in VP would not boost the ticket whatsoever.

[xxqqqzme]

38. Nope

You have heard the saurove underground rumor mill at work. You're smarter than that.

[zappaman]

5. No thanks.

Biden is fine.
Have a great day!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

7. Seriously?

SERIOUSLY??

Just aside from the fact that she's already said very emphatically that she doesn't want to do it, I don't see what she brings that Biden doesn't have. Yes, she's very smart and capable - I don't mean to put her down - but if you think she'd improve Obama's chances you must have forgotten the way she was treated during Bill's presidency. The right wing hates her as much as they hate Obama. With her on the ticket the haters would be energized even more; they'd be doubly energized with hate and the flying monkeys would be out in droves, doing anything - and I do mean anything - to defeat the ticket. Biden is just as smart and competent as Hillary and he doesn't inspire demented hatred the way she does.

Biden does a great job, and he's a very effective campaigner. If Obama were to switch running mates at this point it would make him look weak and desperate.

This is a very bad, dumb idea. But I'm not concerned because it isn't going to happen.

[David Zephyr]

10. Read the polls.

She's the single most popular politican in the country. Landslide.

President Obama wins. That's the goal.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

14. Bill is the most popular politician, not Hillary.

Running mates don't win elections; they can harm a ticket but they do little to help.

Anyhow, it won't happen.

[David Zephyr]

20. Read the polls.

.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

33. Doesn't matter. Because It's. Not. Going. To. Happen.

[muriel_volestrangler]

8. Where are you finding these marvellous effects from changing VP at the last moment from?

How many people do you think there are that are saying "I'll only vote for Obama if Hillary is his VP"? What do you base that on? How many people do you estimate would look at a last-minute change like this, and think "Obama is panicking, he's resorting to pulling a stunt because he was bound to lose - I think I won't vote for an unstable presidential team">

[Panasonic]

24. Wasn't Zephyr a PUMA back in '08?

Just wondering...

[David Zephyr]

35. Wondering?

Why don't you look at the thousands of posts I generated in 2008 against Hillary and for Obama before you makes such a slur.

I want to win in November. It's sort of important. Winning.

[muriel_volestrangler]

46. I can't see you being against her

eg If Al Gore Doesn't Jump In...Then I Will Vote for Hillary in the California Primary

[David Zephyr]

53. That was 2007. Read my posts from January 2008 through December 2008.

It will take you days to get through them all.

I know it is inconvenient for you to believe I was one of Obama's biggest supporters here all of 2008, but your cherry-picking a 2007 post ignores the facts.

It's OK. You can believe what you want to believe because it's apparently important that you falsely discredit me.

[muriel_volestrangler]

71. Well, no, that was the first one I found from you about your primary preference

after several saying you thought she'd make an excellent VP, back in August 2008. Some of those did say "everyone knows I was against Hillary earlier", but I'm not sure we kept such a close track of your preferences.

My overall impression is that you change your mind fairly often. You don't attack Democrats, but your preferences aren't fixed.

On edit: you still haven't explained where the electoral magic comes from. Which Democratic voters are saying they must have Hillary as VP?

[David Zephyr]

109. Voter enthusiasm

We (Democrats) lose because we don't vote with crazed foam dripping from our mouths like the Republicans do.

Look at the last mid-terms. We lost because Democrats did not show up at the last national election. And the tea-party idiots took over the House of Representatives and stalled President Obama for the last two years.

Obama will not have all the youth turning out like they did in 2008. That magic, while still there, is not going to be like it was.

That's the issue for me.

Look at the enthusisam gap between GOP voters and our voters. It concerns me.

Barack with Hillary would be a landslide and sweep Congress, too.

[muriel_volestrangler]

37. Pro-Hillary, but not anti-Obama, as far as I can see

It's true that Hillary's personal ratings are excellent - up in the high 60s 'favorable' (I guess she gets pretty much all Democrats, and a lot of independents must like what she's done as SoS - maybe even the occasional Republican has come round to her). But Biden has been the announced VP candidate for some time. The first words greeting you on barackobama.com are:

"Now that we know who's on both teams, it's time to pick a side. Join the Obama-Biden team."

A change now would be taken as "my god, Obama doesn't think the current VP is up to it/he's stabbed him in the back/something awful has happened..."

[TBF]

47. Says the new member ... nt

[Starry Messenger]

72. David was one of Obama's biggest supporters.

The search function should be working.

[David Zephyr]

73. Thanks.

Thanks for stepping up.

I love President Obama.

I want President Obama to win. The alternative is unthinkable.

I hope I don't get you in trouble here.

[DevonRex]

83. We know, David. No worries.

You worked hard for Obama when the dust settled way back when.

[David Zephyr]

107. Appreciated.

Obama rocks.

I just want him to run away with the election, the House and the Senate so he can govern without the obstructions.

I didn't expect to be loved for my OP. It's how I truly see this.

And I think it may happen. Seriously.

[Starry Messenger]

87. ((hugs)) Good to see you here.

Honey, I *am* trouble!

[patrice]

105. I wonder, don't you think it kind of paternalistic to assume that down ticket doesn't matter to

women? and that a woman at the top is all we need to insure our vote?

We aren't children.

[David Zephyr]

106. Paternalistic? Where did I mention gender in my OP?

You can't project something (paternalism) that isn't there.

The OP is clear that Hillary is popular with the American people. That would include men and women.

[patrice]

111. I took the Hillary suggestion as a proposed gaurantee of women's vote. No? nt

[DevonRex]

81. David is a Democrat who should be believed

when he says that he wants Obama to win in the worst way. He does. He was also a Hillary supporter once long ago. Nothing wrong with that.

I believe that he sees this as the best option for Obama winning. I don't. But it doesn't matter. I like David and I know his heart is in the right place. And it is not up to any of us anyway.

It did bring back memories though and some old jokes. Shouldn't be at David's expense though. I hope he took some of the frivolity as just that - having fun with some old stuff.

[Starry Messenger]

88. I know, but the PUMA thing wasn't about Hillary in the end.

They were a distinct group and nice people got smeared with that label who did not go from Hillary to McCain, which was the PUMA astroturf ratf*ck...thing, lol. Oh, the times of madness!

(I think Biden should stay VP, just for the record. I just didn't like seeing David get harshed on.)

[DevonRex]

103. You're right. It sure wasn't about Hillary. Nor

about people like David. I'll certainly be more careful in the future because you're right, he doesn't deserve that label. He was laughing at them right along with the rest of us, or alternately shaking his head like WTF?

It was a crazy time, wasn't it? DUers with puppets going off the deep end for good. Wonder where that guy is...

[Skip Intro]

110. Why would you reference something from 08 when you joined DU last month?

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DU last month?

Just seems odd, you know?

Lotta newer DUers attacking long-term DUers, just like you are doing, casting doubt upon a DUer's character. It almost seems organized...

[MjolnirTime]

129. can we at least agree that PUMAs suck?

[MjolnirTime]

128. isn't it obvious?

[lob1]

9. You think Hillary can do more than I think she can.

But why would Hillary want to be VP? Seems to me, that's a step down from Sec of State. That's a real job, and VP isn't.

[David Zephyr]

13. Helping keep the White House & Congress Democratic for 4 years is enough.

That's the goal. Winning.

[lob1]

34. Did you even read my post?

[David Zephyr]

36. Yes. I answered it.

Losing in November is not a luxury. Helping President Obama win even Republican women and clinching the White House and Congress for four years is not "stepping down".

[xxqqqzme]

58. Win rethug women?

You have to be high. I have a family -mom, 2 sisters, SiL - who have fits when her name is even mentioned..

[Honeycombe8]

169. Obama would lose by a landslide if he dumped his loyal confidante and advisor. Thank goodness

he doesn't operate that way.

He'll win the honorable way, the right way. No obvious ploys to bring in a supposed ringer to get a few votes.

He'd lose far more votes than he'd gain.

Hillary lost for a reason. You've forgotten. It just seems she'd be really good, because she's good at her current job. She'll run for the #1 spot, if she runs at all. Right now, she's tired and wants to rest awhile.

[Brother Buzz]

11. I believe all the Astroturf Puma members are now disgruntled Teabaggers

Just an observation that isn't necessarily germane to your post, so call me Mister Tangent

[Tarheel_Dem]

79. !!!???!!!

[marmar]

16. Hillary Clinton is a well-known politician whom many people already have formed opinions of.....

...... It's not like she'd bring something fresh or new to the campaign. I think you're overestimating her ability to excite voters.

[99Forever]

17. No. No. No.

No.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

18. I'm not suggesting your RW trolling but just so that you're aware --

Sarah Palin said Tuesday that Vice President Joe Biden’s remark that Republicans “are going to put y’all back in chains” was “disgusting” — and added that it should make the Obama campaign seriously consider kicking him off the Democratic ticket.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0812/79736.html?hp=r12

There is always an inherent danger in accepting your mortal enemy's advice.

[Coyotl]

139. Sarah Palin said that because they fear this scenario more than anything else

Senate and House go Dem in a landslide with a woman on the Obama ticket, and they know it!

[Nuclear Unicorn]

148. That sounds rather Byzantine for an Alaskan -- just sayin'

[Coyotl]

150. She gets her talking points memo from outside of Alaska!

[Honeycombe8]

171. Nope. She and Cheney didn't say that because they're scared of it. Silly rabbit.

Tricks are for kids. And Palin & Cheney are kids.

It's a RW meme to stir up trouble in the opposing party and try to get them fighting with each other.

This is silly. It won't happen...Obama dumping his right hand man weeks before the election, for no legitimate reason, even. Obama doesn't operate that way, in the first place. Second, it wouldn't help the election. It would cause him to LOSE it.

[Honeycombe8]

170. You were braver than I was in saying that. But I thought it. It's a RW meme.

Meant to destroy the election and stir things up and distract.

[Tikki]

19. ...ah....NO..

We are just fine with our VP Biden.



Tikki

[eissa]

21. Are we back here, again?

Biden has been an exceptional VP, and can reach groups that Hillary simply can't. It's not 2008 -- that energy you're talking about can't be replicated. I think Obama has made it clear that he can be a champion of women's issues like no one else can. Biden connects with workers, older whites, and those in rural areas better than Hillary could. He's an asset to the ticket.

[DevonRex]

23. No. If forced birth after rape doesn't bring women

in then Hillary on the ticket sure as hell won't.

[CakeGrrl]

31. +1000

[BlueCaliDem]

42. Exactly! Thank you! eom

[Tarheel_Dem]

80. Speak to it DevonRex!

[uponit7771]

94. +1!

[Honeycombe8]

182. Women are already on board with Obama. It's independents that is the group in question.

The Democrats seem to have the female vote, the hispanic vote, the progressive vote, the gay vote, the union vote, the Af. American vote, the Asian vote, the poor vote. What's up for grabs is the senior vote and the independent vote. The Dems are hopefully making headway with the seniors because of Ryan.

The Republicans have the white rich man vote, the well off middle aged man vote, still soccer moms? not sure about that one. But these groups vote reliably.

[Whisp]

25. lol. no

[fascisthunter]

26. Well then... get rid of the fucking companies who own the right to counting our votes

[greatauntoftriplets]

27. President Obama is sticking with Joe.

So am I.

[woodsprite]

28. Biden is outstanding!!! He's the one and Obama has confirmed it! n/t

[Enrique]

29. here's proof of how brilliant that idea is

[Hassin Bin Sober]

30. And change the media focus for the next 2 months?

Away from Ryan, rape and tax returns?

No fucking way.

This is a joke, right?

[DemocratsForProgress]

32. 294 views, 0 recs

seems about right, IMHO.

[DemocratsForProgress]

44. One rec now...

Very exciting.

[CabCurious]

99. probably an accident

[CabCurious]

98. That is rather noteworthy under the circumstances...

[Liberal Veteran]

39. Hmm. A picture is worth a thousand words, so....

[DefenseLawyer]

40. I'm thinking of buying some sneakers. Do you have any recommendations?

[DevonRex]

57. Why look! What brand is that on James' feet pray tell?

Can't quite...

[LeftofObama]

41. That's just the latest gop talking point and I have to disagree.

There is something about VP Biden that is scaring them shitless. I don't know what it is, but I assume it's because they are afraid to put ryan up against him in the VP debate. Anyhow, SOS Clinton has already said she's not interested and that's good enough for me.

[CabCurious]

43. No. If theywere to swap VPs, it would need to be somebody 2016-ready

And Hillary is retiring.

[Stinky The Clown]

45. We had this conversation 4 years ago. It is now settled. This conversation today is unhelpful.

[xmas74]

48. I've always loved Hillary

but I wouldn't replace Biden. It reeks of desperation.

Besides, I actually tend to like Biden even better than Obama. Don't get me wrong-I'm fine with Obama. I just like that bit of "give 'em hell" attitude that Biden tends to have.

[alcibiades_mystery]

49. Oy vey

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

50. Hillary Clinton does not inspire any more enthusiasm than Biden does.

Except maybe among ex-Pumas. Biden is genuine, approachable, and can really work a crowd. Hillary, not so much.

Anyhow, it's not going to happen.

If Sarah Palin thinks Biden should be kicked off the ticket, what does that tell you?

[sufrommich]

51. I'm willing to wait for her to run for President in 2016.

I'm really hoping she has a change of heart and decides to run.

[TBF]

52. I could see Chelsea down the road -

but I think we're good with this ticket. Never have been a fan of Biden but he has done fine in his role and it would look bad to switch. Obama can carry this.

[amandabeech]

143. Chelsea may be a very fine and intelligent person.

However, she has not yet run for any elective office.

Let her start on a city council.

Once she's worked her way to Governor or Senator, then she may become a serious candidate, at least for me.

I've come to the belief that too many of our presidential contenders did not spend enough time in first line elective office to have a real feel for people. I know that I'm in the minority here, but to me, none of Obama, Clinton or Edwards had that grass roots experience. Obama came closest, but I'd be happier if he'd been an alderman before becoming a state senator. He'd be a bit dirtier politically, but perhaps more savvy.

[TBF]

146. How many city council presidents go on to become president? nt

[amandabeech]

157. Not enough. n/t

[Historic NY]

54. Ah jeeze........

[DevonRex]

60. ...not this shit again.

Sorry. It just felt unfinished somehow.

[randome]

65. LOL!

[madokie]

55. You're seeing and reading puke run polls that show its even a horse race

Look at the number of donations that President Obama has gotten compared to rMoney/ryan.
Not the money but the numbers of donations
Look at the pictures of the turn out everywhere the President goes compared to the pukes manies rmoney and ryan
I won't believe we're even in trouble until I see the votes being counted and it shows the pukes are winning then I'll believe its more rrrove's machine manipulations rather than actual votes
I don't see a problem myself other than thievery

[Cali_Democrat]

56. Are you kidding me?

[WI_DEM]

61. Sarah Palin agrees with you. Joe Biden has done a great job and we'll do fine

and we wouldn't get a 'landslide' if Hillary were on the ticket. It would probably be about the same. Sorry to bust your bubble.

[riverbendviewgal]

64. I don't agree

she is a fantastic woman....and should run in 2016.....if she wants.

Joe Biden is a great man. He and Obama are a good team.

[sellitman]

67. If it isn't broken don't fix it.

Besides in my opinion Hillary was a nasty opponent. Not in a productive way either.

Oh, and by the way... I love Joe.

[WI_DEM]

69. Since President Obama will not replace Biden this post was a waste of time.

[liberaltrucker]

70. I take it that you took the brown acid

[FSogol]

74. FACEPALM!

[cliffordu]

75. HAhahahahahahahaHa

GREAT post!!!

HASHAHHAHAHAhahaha HAHahahahAHaH

[mike_c]

76. no thank you....

eom

[Raster]

77. Are you kidding... and miss the debate between Smokin' Joe and Eddie Munster?

I think not.

[Auggie]

78. Bigger issue at stake: the need to groom the 2016 candidate.

[Warren Stupidity]

82. Well that would require joe Biden to expire first.

Otherwise it is simply a stupid idea.

[NYC Liberal]

84. NO. And I was a Hillary supporter in 2008.

No.

[JoePhilly]

85. Right wing mastabatory fantasy

[Chorophyll]

86. While I love HRC and would love to see her in the White House someday...

...dude, no. You're being silly.

[REP]

89. You agree with Sarah Palin? AWESOME!!

[juajen]

122. Everyone knows where I stand when it comes to Hillary Clinton.

However, I believe Obama and Biden are a good ticket, and that Hillary needs to prepare for her run in 2016. I am not upset at all about his competency in case he has to take over for some reason either.

[juajen]

123. Oops, still not used to the new DU. Excuse, I did not mean to reply to my own post.

[Robb]

90. Survey says: (XXX). Sorry!

We were looking for "utter nonsense." But thanks for playing!

[Warren DeMontague]

91. Pffffffft.

Not this shit again. Nice try.

[AtomicKitten]

112. Well said. nt

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[Occulus]

92. He loses my vote if she's VP.

I want the Clintons out of politics.

[quinnox]

95. too late, that would look like desperation at this point

If this was going to be done, and I think there is some merit to the idea of energizing a demoralized base by replacing Biden with Hillary, then it should have been done months ago.

Now, it would smack of desperation. I'm afraid we are stuck with what we have, and win or lose, that is what we have to deal with. Obama is vulnerable and might lose the election, bottom-line, and there is not much we can do about it except vote and hope for the best.

[proud patriot]

96. seems like a silly idea to me .. I like Joe right where he is

I find it an odd thing to suggest

[tularetom]

101. Oh boy oh boy she can get the women's vote for him

You know the women's vote he was in so much danger of losing because Batromney and Robin had such a high favorability among women.

It was a dumb idea four years ago and it's still a dumb idea.

[spanone]

102. waaaaay too late

[OmahaBlueDog]

108. I was a Hillary supporter in 2008, and I'm telling you this is a bad idea

Despite the fact that Newt Gingrich now talks about Bill Clinton like a longtime friend, as opposed to somene he villified and attempted to impeach, the reason "Dump Biden/Bring on Hillary" has become a RW meme is that the wingers still have an arsenal of unused Hillary ammo left over from 2008. They want to drag up all of the 90s Rose Law Firm/Vince Foster crap again.

I'd love to have her take one last shot in 2016, though.

[emilyg]

115. Yes. Agree.

[former-republican]

113. If this was going to be done it should have been done months ago

Now it would look like desperation

[Coyotl]

137. No, the convention is when it should happen, with Biden stepping aside just before it starts

and then the whole world tuned in in anticipation

Biden should be the first one promoting the change, of course.

[Jennicut]

114. President Obama has made his choice already and that is Biden.

I know that the endless "put Hillz on the ticket" was going to happen the minute she was not picked as VP. But it gets annoying. Obama is happy with Joe, I adore Joe. The most genuine and real politician out there. And I do respect and like Hillary as well. But enough is enough. Respect Obama's decision.
Hillary is popular because she doesn't have to do anything relating to domestic issues and she is not an idiot like Rumsfeld. She has already said many times she does not want to be VP and that she is exhausted from endlessly traveling the world as SOS. If she wants to run in 2016 that is fine but she does not need to be VP to do it.

[TroglodyteScholar]

116. You are dreaming

Don't get me wrong. I like her. But she's nowhere near as popular as you seem to have convinced yourself she is.

[WilliamPitt]

118. .

<----------------

Sorry, David. Switching VPs is a sign of weakness and fear. Even a hint of that, and it's game over.

[laundry_queen]

152. +1000 nt

[RBInMaine]

120. Oh please. You're in zero-reality land. They are not going to change now. Enough of this.

[Sheepshank]

121. I personally think it would be a net loss to the Dems

If Obama were to ask Biden to step aside (and pick ANYONE ELSE) Obama would appear weak and indecisive and unable to pick the right people to help govern the nation. That does NOT instill confidence

If Biden were to voluntarily resign to make room for Clinton, (or ANYONE ELSE), it would b perceived as abandoning the ship. Presumably because of corruption, cronyism, disenchantment with with Obama over a million things. That does NOT instill confidence.

I happen to like Biden, and he staying on the ticket is much more productive than playing the old switcheroo.

ps....I would have liked to see her on the original ticket, but that simply is history and there is absolutely no point to dwelling on it. I just think changing now would be disastrous.

[Capt. Obvious]

124. No, Obama needs to resign and let Clinton run in his place

That's the only way Dems keep the White House.

[MjolnirTime]

126. If Obama wanted Hillary as VP, he would have picked her in 2008.

[ecstatic]

127. We still need a candidate for 2016

How about Clinton/Booker?

[aquart]

130. Thank you for your concern.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

131. No thanks. One Clinton as prez was enough.

Or, too much.

[ibegurpard]

178. thank you!

[stevenleser]

132. This cannot be done elegantly and thus would hurt as much if not more than

it helps.

[DawgHouse]

133. I supported Clinton in 2008

I supported Clinton in 2008 and I still think she would have made (and will make) and excellent president some day. But right now, nothing needs to change, Obama and Biden are going to do great things and will win this election!

[Coyotl]

134. Indeed. Time to shake up American politics with some real excitement and a woman on the ticket

to run against the "legitimate rape" agenda

[leveymg]

135. You've gotta be kidding. Why dump Biden when we're ahead? Isn't that something you do when you're

in serious trouble?

Sends the wrong message. Divisive. Forget it.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

136. We need lots on non-sequiturs. Hillary Clinton brings that.

Seriously. How does Hillary deliver the House?

What we DON'T need is for the campaign to go off-message for three weeks because Obama dumped Biden. Hillary Clinton brings that.

[scheming daemons]

147. stop it

[Scootaloo]

151. Your deep and heartfelt concern is noted

and summarily dismissed.

[Quantess]

154. I love Hillary Clinton. I really do. Pass that over here.

[Drunken Irishman]

155. Posts like this are why you're not running a campaign and someone who knows what to do is...

No offense, but this would ultimately deliver Obama a landslide loss. Anyone who thinks otherwise is absolutely fooling themselves. At this stage in the race, if Obama dropped Biden for Clinton, it would go over about as well as McGovern dropping Eagleton for Shriver - and we know how that turned out. Obama would be painted as an alarmist whose campaign is in the last throes. He would be done. It would go down as one of the worst political stunts in American presidential history.

IF Obama wanted Hillary, this move would have happened months ago - not a mere two months before the election. This isn't amateur hour here, folks - this is a goddamn presidential election. Desperate moves like this only prove how desperate of a candidate you are and Americans won't support a desperate candidate - just ask McCain, Mondale and soon, Governor Romney.

[TBF]

158. If he wanted Hillary it would've happened in 2008 -

I admire her a great deal, and will if she runs in 2016, but 2 months before the election would be a really bad time to ditch your VP of 4 years. It honestly makes me wonder about the dude who posted the OP.

[Drunken Irishman]

160. Agreed...

It's not going to happen and it would make Obama look A) like a dick, B) desperate and C) weak if he picked Hillary after not selecting her in '08 and then keeping Biden on the ticket throughout most of 2012. You just don't do that. It wouldn't fly and wouldn't galvanize voters.

[LynneSin]

156. To switch VP now shows weakness

Biden is a pit bull when it comes to debating and will make mince meat of Ryan.

You stick with the winning combination that got you to the big game!

[JohnnyRingo]

161. Agree...

I'm not even sure why anyone would wish it on her. People seem to assume it's what she aspires to do.

Regardless, the GOP strategists would pounce so fast Obama wouldn't know what hit him.
Karl Rove would reach a level of elation unseen since Jesus walked on water.

There was a reason Hillary was the prefered candidate of Rush limbaugh. He has an entire file cabinet of anti-Clinton paranoia that he hasn't even used yet.

Having said that, I love Ms Clinton and am glad she has this opportunity to retire on a high note.

[KoKo]

166. After he supported Clarence Thomas for Supremes....I never saw him as anything

but a Center Right Dem...(Delaware/Banking) but, I agree with you. Not time to do this now since Biden is out there whipping what's left of the left (Labor) to get on board with our President.

Hillary is much different from what we "non-AIPAC" supporting Americans thought she would be.

It would be horrible to put her in as VEEP when she's become a supporter of "WARS ACROSS THE WORLD" spreading a view that's a total opposite to those of us who want to end these Wars for Oil, Minierals and the rest of the Commodities!

Enough if enough of the DLC/DNC/Third Way Model. It didn't work any better than Reagan/Bush/Greenspan has.

[karynnj]

172. He voted AGAINST confirming Thomas

I think he did a lousy job running the Judiciary Committee hearing, but he voted No.

[flvegan]

159. No, no, no. George Clooney.

Male purty overload!!

[madrchsod]

162. she`s going to retire one way or another

if she wants to work part time obama can appoint her to be a special ambassador

[KoKo]

163. Hillary seems to be very "Pro-War Interventionist" and she's too close with AIPAC for my taste..

I've been shocked at her since she's SOS...and I could not support that. Every time I see or read a statement from her...chills go down my spin over what she is....and what a warmonger she has become. (and, I was a total Clinton supporter and even through the Monica years and lost friends and family members over my support of them.) I no longer feel kindly to either Bill or Hillary for their actions in the past years. Sorry...and it's devastating to me that I feel that way about them....but I do.

BTW: Personally, David....it's nice to see you posting here again. That we differ doesn't mean that I don't still have high regard, respect for your opinions.

But....that we are on real different sides on this one.

Peace!

[Motown_Johnny]

164. Seek help. This is just plain crazy. Changing VPs would look like admitting a mistake

and the low information voters would react to nothing but that.

Hillary for VP is the way to insure a defeat.

[Poll_Blind]

165. With all due respect, what an absolute wheelbarrel full of bullshit. Fuck Clinton as VP in 2012.

Biden is doing a yeoman's job as VP.

Biden is doing a yeoman's job as VP.

Fuck this failed Clinton dynasty bullshit.

PB

[Rowdyboy]

167. I've read from a number of separate credible sources that she is exhausted. Just think about the

schedule she's kept for the last four years. If she's going to run for president in 2016 a break from the administration would probably be the best thing she could do because there will probably be some highly unpopular decisions over the next 4 years. Let her rest and recover-then get ready to steamroll her way into the White House in 2016. Or not, at her discretion-I really wouldn't blame her if she just retired. But I do believe she'll run-and win then.

I agree she'd be a great vice presidental candidate this year but Obama doesn't have to have her to win and it serves her career (and our future) better for her to bow out for a break. Plus the media would interpret it as desperation. At least thats how I see it right now.

[Honeycombe8]

168. Obama would LOSE by a landslide if he dumped his V.P.

Who would vote for a disloyal betrayer? That would be the ultimate betrayal. Dumping his confidante and loyal V.P. just WEEKS before the election, for the obvious sake of some votes.

The grass seems greener on the other side. It's not. Hillary lost for a reason.

[a geek named Bob]

176. I'm starting to get the feeling

1.) there are a lot more "PUMAs" out there then I originally thought.
2.) many of them are engaged in magical thinking

[Enrique]

173. kick

i disagree with OP, but I will kick anyway

[WI_DEM]

174. 173 replies, 3,147 views and only two likes.

I think you got your answer to your suggestion.

[ibegurpard]

175. good god!

I supported Obama in the primaries because he wasn't Hillary. You think she's going to cause a huge enthusiasm rush with people to the right of me (who thinks he's caved to conservative policy in too many cases).
No. Steady as she goes.

[Botany]

179. Why repeat a republican talking point?

Biden has done a good job as Veep, he is an asset to the President, and
Hillary has said publicly she wants to relax and take it easy for awhile.

[rateyes]

180. nice try

Obama in a landslide is already gonna happen.

[The Second Stone]

181. No. Switching would look indecisive and weak

and be a decided disadvantage. And I say that as someone who wanted Hillary as the 08 nominee.


We need to win. And to do that we need to hammer Romney and Ryan on their radicalism and their lying and their plans to destroy medicare and social security.

[Alduin]

183. Absolutely not.

[DinahMoeHum]

184. Ain't. Gonna. Happen.

Obama/Biden will win come November. Bank on it.
The other side has NOTHING to offer the American people other than their white skin.

Thanks for playing, though. Come back with that question 2+ years from now when the issue of who the Democratic nominees for POTUS and VPOTUS will be comes up.