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I'm not just on DU, I also edit Wikipedia.
And did you know that there was not even a category on white nationalist terrorism until yesterday? The thing that Trump tells America to go to sleep over? I made it, oh and I populated it... it was ugly, and it reveals some ugly truths. My personal policy is I don't get into edit wars, if people want to remove pages from categories I put them in, they can do it and I won't stop them.
Apparently that personal policy wasn't enough to protect me as I was put in editing jail for a while for my 'radical' and 'disruptive' editing.
I like impressing people, I have always done what my parents say, I try to be a good role model, if my bosses say jump, I ask 'how high?' I don't disobey or get in trouble, I've never even been arrested before, but this...
It strangely feels good, it was worth it. I'm actually smiling as I'm looking over the notice that I've been blocked.
The category is still up by the way:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:White_nationalist_terrorism
If you edit Wikipedia yourself or want to, please help protect this category in the event that someone, some group of people, or an organization tries to delete it entirely or tries to do it through pretty much deleting everything in there. Wikipedia IS a resource, pretty much a public good on the internet. Also if you genuinely find examples of white nationalist terrorism, terrorists, terrorist groups, symbols and propaganda, I know I missed things, please add them.
This was a better use of my time than being angry at you all, so if you can help me out, it would be great.
... but don't be afraid to get in trouble every once in a while. We're going to need more troublemakers if we're going to defeat this poison.
Vinca
(50,273 posts)TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)mercuryblues
(14,532 posts)But it needed to be done. It took some time and serious effort. I can't imagine the amount of light being sucked out of your soul by delving into the hate.
A big thank you. Can you do me a favor? Go watch a thousand cute dog and cat videos. Get some joy back into your heart.
ck4829
(35,077 posts)It was indeed incredibly draining to the soul, there were more awful examples that other editors reverted, each one was like a punch to the gut... like the victims... their lives, bodies, minds, souls, spirits didn't matter. It was like that debate over the video of filmed deaths in Christchurch all over again. But I kept my no edit war policy in place. And I just found out someone took out the The Turner Diaries, a racist book found in the personal effects of too many terrorists... another punch right there.
I'm actually a white guy and so on top of it all, seeing these scumbags and pieces of filth try to associate with me via skin color, it's revolting in it's own special way for me. I wish there was a way to take a social connection/social capital shower to clean myself of them.
I have a tab open, I'm going to look at those cute videos, thank you.
mercuryblues
(14,532 posts)For those that want to protect their perceived superiority status. You will soon find out who the racists are on that site, they will attack you, when they can't attack the content.
From my understanding anyone can edit Wiki, perhaps another editor will look and say...hmm the Turner Diaries need to be here and put it back in.
ck4829
(35,077 posts)Lucky Luciano
(11,257 posts)progressoid
(49,991 posts)This is an amazing collection. Well done!
N_E_1 for Tennis
(9,731 posts)Sir,
In my eyes you are the definition of a true Democrat. Your anger could have been directed in any manner of negative ways. Your choice of positivity and commitment to the common good is the defining moment.
Thank you
Ponietz
(2,974 posts)ck4829
(35,077 posts)Roy Rolling
(6,917 posts)Thanks for the work. We are in World War 3--- the Information War. Like POWs of a real war, miscreant information must be captured and segregated into a negatively-branded category ("white nationalist terrorism" ) where it belongs.
Now we need a White National Terrorist Idols page for the likes of Hannity and Limbaugh.
Again, great work fighting the battle in the trenches that nobody sees.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,014 posts)uponit7771
(90,346 posts)Fla Dem
(23,677 posts)The amount of work that must have gone into this project it mind boggling. I am in awe.
ck4829
(35,077 posts)'Alt-Right' and 'Slavery in the United States' removed as sub-categories.
God...
WinstonSmith4740
(3,056 posts)Braced myself and went to Daily Stormer, and where you defined them as "alt right", the link worked. So the page is still there, I guess the shortcut isn't.
Awesome work. Go watch the kittens and puppies...you earned it.
ck4829
(35,077 posts)sandensea
(21,636 posts)Bravo, my good sir.
ck4829
(35,077 posts)I'm seeing things get reverted and not even seeing a reason why.
It's clear I'm making people pee a little in their pants.
I will have to put lots of things back in... but over a long period of time.
I should probably just close my tab on Wikipedia, there's nothing I can do.
sandensea
(21,636 posts)Your good work lives on.
You know, I had a similar experience a few years ago.
The minute you start questioning the PNAC line, the harpies and flying monkeys appear out of nowhere, as if on cue.
Oh, well. They've got to make their living somehow; God knows they can't do anything else.
rainin
(3,011 posts)If you're not a member of Wikipedia, join it, if you're already on the internet, you can join it, doesn't cost a thing.
1. This category is safe... for right now. It just can't be deleted, there has to be a process and a discussion in order to delete it at this point. Watch the category, check it regularly, check the talk page. If it's nominated for the deletion process, we need to get in there and say 'Keep' and why. I strongly suspect that this could happen seeing as what's already been done.
2. This category doesn't mean anything if it doesn't have articles and subcategories. It needs listed terrorist organizations, members, attacks, symbols, propaganda, victims, etc. If something is big enough, it will have a subcategory at the top, 'Ku Klux Klan' right now or 'Slavery in the United States' until a little bit ago .
3. This category also needs to be a presence in itself, as in it needs to be a subcategory of other categories, you can see that at the bottom. Good way to describe where, when, what, it is. I should have added 'Terrorism in Norway' for example, but I needed to get some sleep and now I can't for a while.
I think that's everything, I hope that helps.
B Stieg
(2,410 posts)I've wanted in on this for a while!
malaise
(269,024 posts)Than you
majdrfrtim
(318 posts)Thank you for your efforts on behalf of the truth.
Blessings upon you.
Sunsky
(1,737 posts)Well done
FakeNoose
(32,641 posts)This is an important topic and the nutjobs will try to ratf*ck it if they can. But the important thing is to get the topic started and others will contribute new info as it becomes available.
ck4829
(35,077 posts)Another editor, not me, made a perfect intro to the category page and someone came on there and ruined it with the whole "But this this isn't white nationalism, it's white supremacy" line... and I have to watch it and can't do anything.
I need to watch a movie or something.
B Stieg
(2,410 posts)whatever the hell the tRumpsters and Conservatives are arguing as "alternate facts."
I'm going to take a look at editing the Wiki, too. This is (obviously) a primary place of "public pedagogy."
Thanks, ck!
Geechie
(865 posts)Soldier on!
ck4829
(35,077 posts)It really means a lot.
hwmnbn
(4,279 posts)That's a ton of work, thank you
JHB
(37,160 posts)ck4829
(35,077 posts)Hekate
(90,708 posts)I use Wiki, like everyone else on the planet by now, but don't know that much about its operations. I remember reading, years and years ago, that for an operation that was essentially crowd-sourced (and this was so long ago I don't think the author used the phrase) Wikipedia on the whole ended up being as accurate as the Encyclopedia Brittanica.
For someone like me, raised in a household with the Encylopedia Brittanica bookcase weighing down the floorboards, that was about the highest praise possible.
So thank you for doing what you do. Especially on this topic.
Maraya1969
(22,482 posts)dlk
(11,566 posts)There should be dozens of Wikipedia pages for white nationalist terrorist groups. They are arguably the largest threat to our democracy and shining the light of day to out them is sorely needed.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,563 posts)Double kudos for that!
JudyM
(29,250 posts)Exactly what we need... an education as an alternative to faux news.
Bravo, ck!
sagesnow
(2,824 posts)This is a great source for future reference on White Nationalist Nazi's.
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)Many of us old-time netizens knew him on message boards. He's an expert on White Nationalism, lives in Seattle. He has a new book.
Seattle journalist and author David Neiwert has long tracked Americas far right and continues to do so for the Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors hate groups. In his new book, Alt-America: The Rise of the Radical Right in the Age of Trump (Verso, $29.95), he traces the trends that are bringing us this revival of hate, intolerance and anti-democratic ideology.
cp
(6,633 posts)Just read it, and it is SUPERB. Highly recommend!
Grasswire2
(13,571 posts)Lifelong Protester
(8,421 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)magicarpet
(14,154 posts)Good Job...
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Hermit-The-Prog
(33,349 posts)Thank you!
ck4829
(35,077 posts)Unca Jim
(556 posts)But I contested it!
ck4829
(35,077 posts)Some people REALLY dont want to talk about this
ArizonaLib
(1,242 posts)That whole bunch has been embarrassed by themselves ever since the first KKK member ripped holes into his pillow case.
ck4829
(35,077 posts)They cant keep this buried though.
ArizonaLib
(1,242 posts)Solidarity!!!
Thanks again (you can't be thanked enough) for putting the time and effort into it!