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VOX

(22,976 posts)
8. And the 2020 election will turn on the same old "battleground states"...
Mon Mar 18, 2019, 09:25 PM
Mar 2019

The election-analytics site FiveThirtyEight identifies the swing states as Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, Ohio, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, Virginia, and Wisconsin.

With the absurdly outdated Electoral College, it’s as if no other states really matter, they could just “phone it in.”

It’s unreasonable and demoralizing to have the country’s entire direction determined by a mere fraction of the nation’s population.

LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
2. People actually showing up to vote for the Democratic candidate, instead of voting third party
Mon Mar 18, 2019, 09:12 PM
Mar 2019

or staying home?

kacekwl

(7,017 posts)
6. Agreed, but we had 3 million plus more votes last time .
Mon Mar 18, 2019, 09:18 PM
Mar 2019

What kind of number do we need to overcome this ?

lambchopp59

(2,809 posts)
4. Republicans stand absolutely goose-egg chance to win an honest election
Mon Mar 18, 2019, 09:14 PM
Mar 2019

So they cheat. And cheat. And steal elections, just like they'd love to steal every damn dime any of us have paid into social security by "privatization".. ahem, yeah.. Private company handling your social security retirement, time to retire? Oh, sorry, money's all gone into fees to pay the CEO's bonus. Then call themselves the party of "fiscal responsibility"
And they cheat millions of Americans into paying for no-bid contracts padding the pockets of their corporate buddies, charging the military five hundred dollars for a hammer, two hundred dollar screws. Then complain about the democrat's "tax and spending".
And they cheat their own working class constituents who can't seem to figure out why they're broke when their reign of terror is done.
Then after laughing all the way to the bank, they figure out more ways to dance around the issues, jail more downtrodden Americans, further cheat the elections, kissy face the world's most brutal dictators who are profiting their buddies enough... and make WAR on those who don't.
In Jeebus Fox-Noise holy name, Amen.

barbtries

(28,798 posts)
9. massive blue wave
Mon Mar 18, 2019, 09:30 PM
Mar 2019

like never seen before not even in 2016.

also the republicans continue to shoot themselves in the foot electorally by screwing over their constituents time and again.

otherwise i don't know. i can hardly resign myself to the thought of him being around until Jan 2021 let alone beyond that. i want to be alive for the post trump rebirth of the USA.

TomSlick

(11,100 posts)
10. There's no use in fighting the rules.
Mon Mar 18, 2019, 09:59 PM
Mar 2019

The Electoral College is a matter of constitutional law and will not be changed in our lifetimes - certainly not by 2020.

We need to know the rules and fight the fight before us.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
11. It won't be changed within decades...if ever
Mon Mar 18, 2019, 10:28 PM
Mar 2019

Any related conversation is wasted. Pandering but nothing else.

Besides, it is hardly a given that the electoral college would always favor the Republican. In 2000 the conventional wisdom was the Bush was much more likely to carry the popular vote than the electoral college. I remember it extremely well because I was wagering on dozens of elections every two years at that point. On election eve Bush was bet as high as -360 (360 to win 100) to win the popular vote, while his odds to win the electoral college were less than half that much, at -170 (170 to win 100). There were even some offshore betting joints that received so much late money on Bush winning the popular vote that they took that prop off the board.

Obviously it played out in reverse.

The major difference, of course, would be the outcry from Republicans if they ever carried the popular vote but lost the electoral college. That would be as close to riot conditions as this country has seen. All previous rationale would be thrown out the window and burned.

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