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MichiganLefty

(27 posts)
1. On the other hand
Mon Mar 18, 2019, 11:40 PM
Mar 2019

Do we really need to be funding programs of study where the kid (and taxpayer) can never hope to recoup what was spent without fiscally enslaving the kid for the first 20+ years of their adult life?

What we need is better counseling upfront. When I was an Education Officer in the military I spent a lot of time counseling young men and women on the cost-benefit of their intended course of study. A lot of the time it was a real eye opener for them and helped them adjust their plans accordingly.

We need to stop shoving kids into college "just cus".

Higher education has become an industry

imanamerican63

(13,798 posts)
4. My point is, it not easy for any students get to a loan, let alone enough to pay for the high costs!
Mon Mar 18, 2019, 11:47 PM
Mar 2019

Then you have those who cheat and bribe the way into college without paying, fix those problems first.

 

MichiganLefty

(27 posts)
10. $1.56 trillion
Tue Mar 19, 2019, 12:05 AM
Mar 2019

In student loan debt would say otherwise. Over 70% of kids in college have student loans.

My point is we need better career counseling for kids planning on going to college

KPN

(15,646 posts)
5. Hmmmm. Lets blame the poor people and make sure they understand their lot in life?
Mon Mar 18, 2019, 11:47 PM
Mar 2019

I see you just became a DU member today.

KPN

(15,646 posts)
15. OK then. Benefit of doubt -- beside discouraging young people from attending college, what
Tue Mar 19, 2019, 11:04 PM
Mar 2019

solutions do you see and suggest for the current higher education cost and accessibility issue. How would you fix the problem otherwise?

GP6971

(31,166 posts)
7. Higher education has become an industry. Really?
Mon Mar 18, 2019, 11:57 PM
Mar 2019

It's been there all the time...just under the radar.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,862 posts)
8. You are right.
Tue Mar 19, 2019, 12:02 AM
Mar 2019

I find that in casual conversations with parents of kids in their junior or senior year of high school usually have absolutely no understanding of how financial aid works. They don't know what a Pell grant is, or don't understand the income limits. They have no idea that a financial aid package might well be mostly loans, that have to be paid back, not grants or scholarships that don't have to be repaid. They don't understand what fields of study lead to actual jobs, or jobs that pay well.

They've bought into the bullshit that everyone needs a four year degree. What's really needed are more people in the trades. THOSE are jobs that aren't likely to be outsourced (I can't ship my furnace off to China or somewhere when it needs fixing) and pay remarkably well.

Several years ago in a similar conversation here on DU someone defended getting a degree in something I don't recall (anthropology or 18th Century French literature or some other field that has essentially zero job prospects) because those four years were, as he saw it, the only time he'd have available to do that kind of reading and studying. Meanwhile, I haven't a clue how he expected to make a living once he got a degree.

You can ALWAYS go back to school to take courses that interest you, check books out of the library, take an online course, get those amazing Great Courses DVDs or CDs from the Teaching Company. I've done all of the above over the years.

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
3. If it is dumb and stupid, it is drumpf.
Mon Mar 18, 2019, 11:45 PM
Mar 2019

The idiot that doesn't want his school grades made public because he is so smart.

 

rusty quoin

(6,133 posts)
12. My daughter has a BS in Biology. My wife and I paid for it.
Tue Mar 19, 2019, 12:15 AM
Mar 2019

But she makes little money. She has to go back to school.

I have worked in construction for a long time, and the prevailing wage on military bases is the same as it was in the 90s. It is not adjusted for inflation.

I don’t know the answer, but everything sure sucks.

KPN

(15,646 posts)
16. Not long ago, a college degree yielded most graduates
Tue Mar 19, 2019, 11:08 PM
Mar 2019

a living wage job whether it was in their field of study or not. The problem isn’t too many people getting better educated. Don’t be fooled.

Sgent

(5,857 posts)
14. There already is a cap
Tue Mar 19, 2019, 12:42 AM
Mar 2019

for loans its 200 semester credit hours attempted for undergraduate loans / aid -- a degree is about 110-130 with no withdrawals, no D's or F's, etc.

There is also a cap on all other federal financial aid.

KPN

(15,646 posts)
18. What oughta be capped is interest rates that exceed
Tue Mar 19, 2019, 11:13 PM
Mar 2019

rates for home mortgages and maybe even vehicle loans. Think folks, don’t fall for the BS. Not long ago, virtually anyone who graduated from college was able ultimately to find employment that provided a living wage whether it was in their field of study or not. Din’t be fooled by the simplistic BS that basically argues education isn’t valuable for everyone.

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