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no_hypocrisy

(46,245 posts)
Fri Mar 22, 2019, 07:02 AM Mar 2019

The "System" is broken.

American democracy was not designed to allow a minority to rule the majority. Trump's base is calling the shots through their boy.

While this country is actually a constitutional republic, designed to protect the RIGHTS of minority groups, it isn't meant to allow one group of less than 50% of the population to make national and foreign policy, determine wealth distribution, etc. This means either the 1% and/or the base.

My guess is that for every election hereon in, we will have to vigorously fight for all candidates (federal, state, local) who will endorse the vision of the Framers and to get them elected.

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allgood33

(1,584 posts)
1. With Trump's moves on Israel, FL will be lost for the foreseeable future. We will have to fight
Fri Mar 22, 2019, 07:16 AM
Mar 2019

with everything we have to get Ohio and Pennsylvania. If we can ensure those two we will be ok if we keep all we won in 2016. The future looks dim for American democracy. Who would have thought that it wouldn't liberals who changed the democracy but fascist, phobes of all kinds.

We must vigorously fight and WIN at the ballot box. Our military and courts cannot be relied on to save us from the fascism facing us.

njhoneybadger

(3,910 posts)
3. Yes, If our candidate can't win the swing states we are doomed
Fri Mar 22, 2019, 07:41 AM
Mar 2019

It also locks up the white Evangelical vote. These kooks think he is fulfilling prophecy

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
2. in any democracy, a minority can control if and when the majority are too lazy or apathetic,
Fri Mar 22, 2019, 07:16 AM
Mar 2019

2016 was direct result of both....

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
6. 2018 showed what could happen just like 2020 and 2022, can happen too. We KNOW
Fri Mar 22, 2019, 08:26 AM
Mar 2019

all the obstruction that will be thrown at voters in states controlled by republicans as their ONLY tact left is to limit people from voting in the first place. Democrats KNOW all the rules in place and its up to Democratic Pacs to see that our voters have all the ID and voting registration requirements, otherwise we deserve to lose

Vinca

(50,319 posts)
4. Getting rid of the electoral college is a major undertaking, but it's got to go.
Fri Mar 22, 2019, 07:49 AM
Mar 2019

Hillary's 3 million vote win wasn't a fluke. The country has moved left, but we're being controlled by the right via gerrymandering, election fraud and the electoral college.

CousinIT

(9,267 posts)
7. Well, it started out being only white male property owners who could vote
Fri Mar 22, 2019, 08:59 AM
Mar 2019

So, it was designed to allow white male minority rule. (and some of that "property" were slaves).

With Trump, what we have is white males (conservatives, specifically), trying to preserve that white male minority rule.

We had 8 years of a black President.

We almost had a woman President.

And American white males saw their historical power and control slipping away for the first time ever in US history. They were HORRIFIED, frightened and ANGRY.

So you're right the system is broken. It has always been broken.

And we were on the verge of beginning to fix it.

Then Trump happened. And that's WHY Trump happened. It's IMO the last gasp of white male minority rule in the US. Congress now has more women and PoC in it than ever. It is finally beginning to resemble the actual America it is supposed to represent. And white males HATE that (at least the conservatives do).

So they're fighting like hell to PREVENT progress. They can't, of course but they're going to try. And TRUMP is their ticket to doing it - this is why they don't mind the support of the KKK and Nazis and the White Nationalist labels. They see these as allies to their cause. YES they are THAT desperate.

KPN

(15,668 posts)
12. Yes. The great melting pot that our textbooks
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 05:34 AM
Mar 2019

taught us about and we, as a nation, have been so proud of has always been about white males only. .... Despite the present horrors, it is good that this dirty truth is being fully exposed finally. May you be right in it being the last gasp of minority rule.

CanonRay

(14,123 posts)
8. The minority (the South) ruled the majority for much of our early history
Fri Mar 22, 2019, 09:15 AM
Mar 2019

through threats of violence and secession. They'd like to start that up again.

The Mouth

(3,165 posts)
11. good points
Fri Mar 22, 2019, 12:10 PM
Mar 2019

It’s like the rules of chess, vs the rules of checkers. Losing the EC while winning the popular vote seems odd, but so does one chess player being defeated when they still have a lot more pieces on the board than the other, yet it happens because of the rules. One can complain about the rules, but that is never going the change outcomes when the rules are not going to change.

The EC is *not* going away, it’s baked into the Constitution too deeply, 38 states would have to agree and many of those would lose almost entirely their ability to influence a presidential election if it did, so they are not going to support it. The trend towards proportional distribution of electoral college votes is the only trend that realistically might have an effect going forward, at least short of a revolution that completely overthrows the government.

Winning requires a grasp of reality, no matter how unpleasant or how much we disagree with it. A lot of the same factors that created the EC still exist today, the less populous states fear the big cities, for reasons of culture and economics.

OldBaldy1701E

(5,178 posts)
13. I feel that you have hit on some of the problem...
Sat Mar 23, 2019, 06:49 AM
Mar 2019

In my opinion, there is one real first problem we have to fix before we can start implementing the ideals in the Constitution. Once we can fix this, I feel we will be well on the way to getting more of the government we deserve. What is it? Oh, just this little thing...

Millionaires in Congress - 51%
Millionaires in America - 5%

(talk about a minority ruling the majority!)

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