Screaming, crying, rending of garments and gnashing of teeth...

[htuttle]

Come on, people.

If nothing else, we have a whole angry House of Congress that are digging into this, and their standard of guilt is far different than a court of law. They have a lot more power to do something about it than we do.

I don't think the other ongoing investigations are going to fold up, there are some beyond Trump's reach.

And we still don't know what's in the report.

Don't freak out just yet.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. Think I might stay off DU for awhile until the hysteria subsides.

People are freaking out without even knowing what's in the report. Come on, people. Get a grip.

[old guy]

4. I think you're on to something.

I believe I'll join you.

[nolabear]

11. Good idea.

[FrankBooth]

24. It's pretty lame

But not surprsing.

[PatSeg]

29. Good idea

When things settle down a bit, we'll be able to think more clearly.

[LonePirate]

2. Mueller was the only hope for impeachment being close to viable. Without him, there is no chance.

There will be no impeachment based solely on congressional findings. We are too hyper-polarized as a country for that to happen. Without Mueller's impartiality, we have nothing but noise.

[htuttle]

3. And his report says what?

Did you expect him to indict the President?

If Jarvanka are indicted, it's most likely going to be as part of the investigation of the Trump Foundation (NY State).

[LonePirate]

7. Ivanka and Jared being indicted by NYS does nothing to stem the damage 45 is inflicting upon us.

And yes, if he had the evidence, he absolutely should have indicted Individual-1. If it was good enough to convict Manafort, it was good enough to indict Individual-1. That's nothing more than our broken justice system protecting rich, white men of power.

[Jarqui]

26. The public report cannot talk about people the DOJ do not indict

That is a big problem here.

for example:
"The thing with Russia smelled bad but we couldn't prove anything with the Trump campaign ... DOJ policy does not allow me to get into specifics with individuals not charged .. have a great weekend!"

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

6. Do you have some inside info about what's in the report?

Because I sure as hell don't know what's in it and nobody else seems to, either.

[LonePirate]

8. The absence of indictments of people besides 45 tells you everything you need to know.

If Mueller had evidence of crimes by 45, he surely had it on Bannon, Parscale, Junior and others. The fact that none of them have been indicted - and Mueller could have indicted all of them - tells you everything about what's coming, which is a whole lot of nothing. If Mueller had cases against them and the two men above all of them, then his team would be filing cases and prosecuting them. That's not happening, so draw your own conclusions as to why.

[TwilightZone]

9. They could have been farmed out to other jurisdictions.

We don't know. At present, only a handful of people do know.

[Qutzupalotl]

12. There are dozens of sealed cases in D.C.

and ongoing investigations in other jurisdictions, so we don’t know the things you mentioned are not happening.

[LonePirate]

13. Manafort was indicted and Ind-1 was accused but not indicted of the same crimes. Why no indictment?

Ask yourself that question. Why wouldn't Mueller indict Individual-1 after accusing him in the other indictments? Mueller went after Manafort, so why not Individual-1?

[Qutzupalotl]

14. DOJ policy is not to indict a sitting president.

Apparently Barr agrees. But that does not mean he will withhold what can be released in the report. And it does not mean nothing more is happening. The cases are ongoing.

[LonePirate]

15. DOJ policy is not the Constitution in this regard. You're admitting defeat if you accept it as such.

[Qutzupalotl]

16. You're admitting defeat if you think only Mueller can act.

[LonePirate]

17. Only Mueller would have sway when it comes to impeachment.

If you truly believe the DOJ cannot indict a sitting president, then nothing will come from the SDNY, let alone the toothless NY AG who will never receive an extradited 45 for any indictments in NYS.

Mueller was the only person who could potentially make impeachment a possibility. That is now a pipe dream, to say the least.

[Qutzupalotl]

18. We haven't seen the report yet.

We have no idea what it says or what is presently under seal.

The investigation has been protected by being farmed out to other jurisdictions. Remember, only DOJ prosecutors are affected by DOJ policy.

[LonePirate]

20. Who do you think will indict/prosecute him if DOJ won't?

The SEC? The NY AG? Don't kid yourself. The other jurisdictions you speak of are either federal or state, where he will never be extradited.

So who and what are these other jurisdictions you speak of that will bring him to justice if Mueller won't? Mueller could bring him up on all of the crimes he was accused of in the Manafort indictments and Mueller refused to do so. You actually think someone else will step in to do what Mueller won't? Well, apart from the NY AG, who will never have 45 in a court room to face charges.

[Qutzupalotl]

21. They don't have to extradite, only indict.

An indictment will have “sway” in congress to start impeachment.

[LonePirate]

22. State charges against a Republican president have no influence with Republican politicans in DC.

Especially if they are not from that state.

Impeachment's only hope relied with Mueller's federal charge and he effectively threw those out the window today.

[Qutzupalotl]

23. Bullshit.

The report alone could trigger impeachment.

[LonePirate]

25. If there was something in the report to warrant impeachment, then Mueller should have indicted.

[Qutzupalotl]

27. That's one opinion,

but it’s also possible Mueller knows what he’s doing.

[Codeine]

28. Oh my goodness.

Impeachment was never viable. Assuming this report would change that very clear political reality was naive at best.

[LonePirate]

30. If Mueller had proofindictments of collusion, election tampering, treason, then it was viable.

Sure, conviction by the Senate is another matter; but without Mueller filing federal charges of high crimes, impeachment is now moot. 45 will parade around the country proclaiming his innocence and plenty of independents and even some on the left will believe him. Mueller screwed over the country today. The least he could have done was indict on the crimes mentioned in the Manafort indictment. He refused to do that. Now ask why.

[Codeine]

31. "Now ask why"

Presumably because he didn’t feel they could make a charge stick. Maybe he couldn’t reliably connect Cheetolini and Sons to the crimes.

[LonePirate]

32. You think there was enough to convict Manafort but not 45 of the crimes in Manafort's indictments?

I suppose that's one theory or opinion. I think Mueller betrayed the country today. That's an equally viable theory or opinion.

[RockRaven]

5. Some people's expectations were way out of whack from the start. Mueller is a DOJ institutionalist.

He believes in the DOJ and it's people. He thinks they will do their jobs with competence and integrity. So he's not going to swerve out of his lane to do things which other people ought to be doing. He had a very specific mandate, which he intends to stick to. It is up to others to do their jobs too -- which we've seen in the SDNY prosecution of Cohen for example.

Mueller was never a Trumpland-criminality clearinghouse, though lots of people seemed to speak of him that way.

[sarisataka]

10. There will be all that and more

In the coming days. Many believed what they wanted to believe what this report would say or thought that with so many rumours some of them must be true.

November 2020 has always been our first, last and only opportunity.

[OliverQ]

19. Too late, i'm already freaking out :(

I just have no faith in this country.

[backscatter712]

33. The Russian bots are at work.

Oh, you think DU's not a target for them? Oh you sweet summer child...

[Blue_true]

34. You forgot tossing ashen dung on one's head.

People need to chill the hell out. We don't know what's in the report.