It's been more than 24 hrs...how are you feeling?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

Just didn't think it would go down this way, did you? Didn't think he would be accused of treason (who would allow someone to stay in office if they were likely guilty of treason?) BUT - Thought there would be enough dirt on Trump, which would make his approval go down (what we need), for sure. Perhaps some will trickle out.

But, it all makes sense. Mueller took time (of course). And time was all trump needed. It was actually quite smart to appoint Whitaker while senate was 51-49. Waiting until they gained some seats made the mix too much to stop Barr's confirmation. And people believed that his editorial about how the probe was too much stress on the executive branch was played down brilliantly.

Now, if Trump knew he had things covered, with Barr at the helm, why did he keep trashing Mueller - even the days before the report was concluded??? Just to cover his cover?

BUT Mueller is working with Barr, as we speak, to go through all the findings to classify them - i.e. Classified, OK, Exec Privilege (next to-do, for sure). This implies to me that there isn't some huge adversarial relationship between the two. So, I am not getting my hopes up that the WHOLE report is devastating. I know that our Mafiosa President is too inured to leaving a trail of crimes. Crimes YES, Evidence Not so Much.

All it leaves is working our asses off - like never before to vote him out. And if Dems were smart, they'd start focusing on ONE single thing. Protecting the ballot box.

[crazytown]

1. Shite

Republican triumphalism (however misplaced) is nauseating.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

2. don't follow

[crazytown]

3. How am I feeling? Like shit.

All these GOPer’s crowing about Barr’s summary turns my stomach.

[Downtown Hound]

4. It won't last.

[crazytown]

7. Yeah. I'm stay away from it.

Just being honest. I turn off fearless leader when I can at the best of times. These days are something else

[Laura PourMeADrink]

6. Duh. YES. Amazed that MSNBC gave Graham air time to spew today. Jesus. Poor

Hillary. Hasn't she been through enough? Jeez - she won more votes and is slammed constantly. Bet she wishes she had never ever run.

[OliverQ]

5. Horrible. I have no faith in this country anymore.

The rule of law seems dead when Trump and Republicans are literally immune from consequences.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

9. I love all Dems. But, wish we had a better media strategy. Although I did hear a

a redneck from somewhere interviewed today. He said, release the whole report or the Democrats will never believe Trump is innocent.

So, if the WHOLE report truly exonerates dipshit we are in a world of hurt. I can't imagine it could - but something about the WHOLE thing makes me think fishy.

[Demonaut]

8. he is still a piece of shit

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

10. Well over a year ago a political reporter

(I think it was Jeffrey Toobin, but I may be mistaken) said that in the end, Mueller would send his report to Congress who would do nothing.

Well, it's basically happened. The report was sent to the AG who is doing nothing.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

11. Which is unprecedented. Others sent directly to Congress. Nevertheless, its interesting.

If impeachment completely off the table - what's left? No crimes by SC. No crimes by AG and Rosenstein. No impeachment by Congress. There is no other remedy except the ballot box.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

16. I keep on thinking,

this is what if must have felt like to good conscientious Germans in 1937 or so.

If you haven't read the Erik Larson book In the Garden of the Beasts you should do so. Every single one of Larson's books is incredible and worth reading, and this specific one is completely apropos.

[Tipperary]

52. I am reading that book now. I have been amazed at the parallels.

Scary.

[cilla4progress]

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[Laura PourMeADrink]

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[Vogon_Glory]

14. I'd be depressed if I thought Donnie was as careful as

Richard Nixon or Ronald Reagan would have been if they’d found themselves in such a predicament (Not that I can imagine such fiercely anti-Communist Presidents like Nixon or Reagan accepting aid from Moscow). But Orange Julius is far less crafty, far more impulsive, and far more careless.

I wouldn’t put it past him to foul up in a spectacular fashion between now and the post-primary season.

In the meantime, a lot of well-to-do but not mega-rich right-leaning voters have found their taxes going up and Donnie’s again trying to destroy the ACA.

These two moves might play well in the rarified circles of Merde-A-Go-Go and the boardrooms of million dollar a year salaried executives, but won’t play quite as well with the other 95 percent.

I don’t think there will be enough Biffs and Muffies to ease Donnie over the 2020 finish line.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

17. Actually starting to think that to orchestrate all this so well, he may indeed

be an evil genius. Like he has become very good at manipulating people and the media to his advantage. If you get a chance to watch the 4-part special on Trump on Netflix - they show him from early on in RE to today. You can see the evolution. But, early on, he knew how to manipulate. Hell, he convinced the whole NYC city council to give him a 40 year tax abatement on his first Manhattan hotel project.

Hate to be wishing economy goes south. But bond market showed inverted yield curves yesterday - harbinger of recession. And GDP growth expected to be only 2% this year.

[Bluepinky]

15. I actually feel better tonight after watching Rachel and some of the guests on MSNBC shows.

Yesterday was pretty dismal, with Barr’s letter having just come out and the Repubs crowing about no collusion and complete exoneration. Have been hearing today and tonight from some people that Barr has overstepped his authority, from others that he should have recused himself from interpreting Mueller’s findings due to his public dissing of the investigation last year. Have also heard that this thing isn’t over, that Mueller may have failed to bring charges against Trump for obstruction of justice because he didn’t want to charge a sitting President, that he wanted Congress to conduct oversight and impeach as appropriate.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

19. But we won't impeach. It's been made crystal clear.

[radius777]

29. the point is about winning the narrative

in the court of public opinion.

Trump wants to take a victory lap into 2020 based upon stooge Barr's letter.

House Dems need to get the full report because Mueller may've laid out damning information that while it was not enough to meet the burden of proof of a criminal conviction, is enough to suggest Trump is wholly unfit for leadership and may be compromised by a foreign power.

[Bluepinky]

38. No, Nancy Pelosi said she wouldn't consider impeaching unless

there was clear evidence of wrongdoing and it was bipartisan. She doesn’t want it to be partisan, which makes sense.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

40. Which is equal to off the table

[Bluepinky]

66. No, off the table right now, but on the table should the situation change.

I’m hoping that clear evidence of obstruction is identified so that impeachment will not only be on the table but will be widely supported (at least by uncorrupted Congress critters).

Would love to see him impeached.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

68. IMHO, it's highly unlikely Pelosi will agree to impeachment no matter what - she didn't when

Bush and Cheney perpetrated war crimes by inventing a fake war where
so many died. So, no disrespect intended, I have a lot of respect for her - just do not happen to agree with her on this issue. If all along, we said he was :impeachment-worthy and made it clear that he had already committed impeachable offenses and we would drop in anything out of the Mueller report and reassess it would be ready to go ASAP.

[NoMoreRepugs]

18. Still angry, despondent and not very confident in our future.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

20. You need another 24 hrs :)

[Vogon_Glory]

41. Today is March 26th, 2019

Election Day is November 3rd, 2020. That’s well over a year away.

And don’t forget how quickly political fortunes can change. George HW Bush was riding high after Desert Storm. He lost the next election to Bill Clinton.

[Kablooie]

21. Trying hard to ignore politics for awhile.

Nothing I can do at the moment so why worry?

Bur damn it I'm still checking the news every few minutes.

Phooey!


Wish I could be like my wife.
She ignores all of it and gets angry with me if I try to talk about current politics.
She votes but just lets me choose who she votes for.
Not the best system but it's the one I've got.

[Poiuyt]

22. Like I did on Nov 10, 2016

It wouldn't be so bad except that the headlines from all the major sites are talking about how Trump has been exonerated, the cloud over the White House has been lifted, etc. People who don't follow politics as closely as we do are going to see those headlines and assume that it's true. Also, I'm afraid, they'll look at any further investigations as "presidential harassment."

[Laura PourMeADrink]

23. All valid insights. And trump knows how to manipulate those people and the media

Reminds me of Rove - you blame the other first for what you are guilty for. Half the people hear you. And less hear the real explanation later. Trump knows that all those people you talk about, who don't follow politics, hear Mueller done, no collusion, and move on.

[Aussie105]

24. Waiting for the Mueller report to be made public.

Not worried.
There is a chain of events, and you need to decide where reality ends, and fantasy starts.

The chain is:
1. Real events, over many years.
2. Mueller looks at these events, writes a report.
3. Barr summarises the report to suit his narrative.
4. Trump translates the summary to suit his narrative.
5. Trump followers translate the Barr summary and Trump's words to suit their own narrative.

I'm ignoring anything from 2 on down. We need to see the Mueller report, so less panic, more patience required.
After that comes the question 'What next?'

[Laffy Kat]

25. I'm trying not to be a crybaby...

I just need some time to sulk, I guess. I will rise again though, and look out!

[Dem2theMax]

26. Numb.

Just like election night, 2016.

I have deleted all news shows, even Colbert and The Daily Show. I need a break. Avoided DU until now. Probably going to take a week off from here, and eat 10 pounds of chocolate. I'd drink my way through the week if I could, but just one drink gives me a hangover.
So chocolate, here I come.

[pnwmom]

27. Trump just conveniently decided to join the lawsuit against the ACA,in addition to slashing Medicare

and Medicaid.

So how about two issues? Healthcare and climate change?

[denbot]

28. Personally, I feel like stomping nuts.

If these goobers want a second civil war, I’m all for leaving the treasonous shits wishing for the mercies of General Sherman.

[StarryNite]

30. Not good at all. A day later...

Trump administration now says entire Affordable Care Act should be struck down

[link:https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/25/politics/trump-administration-aca/index.html|


Pentagon chief says $1 billion of funding shifted to border wall

[link:https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-pentagon-mexico-idUSKCN1R707J|


Trump regime is sending lists to TV producers to silence their critics.

[link:https://www.democraticunderground.com/10142292107|

[TexasBlueDog]

31. Someone sort me out on this...

I've read that read that information gathered about people who were investigated by the special counsel but were not charged with a crime cannot be disseminated.. Is this really in the SC rules? I would really like to know exactly what that means.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

45. Don't think if a grand jury finds that there's not

Enough evidence to charge then that persons name and actions are confidential. Not sure, like you, if that applies here.

There won't be any Roger stone dirt - ongoing investigation?

Let's just say a Russian called pence to see if he would bite. Will pence's name be printed in report?

[EleanorR]

32. I thought Barr would shield trump, and that's just what he did nt

[KPN]

33. I don't feel good at all. I feel like this will all

work out in the end. But I’m concerned that end is many years away. The insane pig in the White House has always been masterful at playing the media to his advantage, massively vengeful toward those who he perceives have sought to harm or even just beat him, and delusionally narcissistic about his rightful destiny, power and invincibility. He is more dangerous now that he beat the rap and has been vindicated in his own mind, than he has ever been. We are in for what I fear may be extremely difficult and trying times before this works out some years from now in the end.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

46. And meanwhile, trump can and is doing a lot of damage

Before he's out. No impeachment on table. So only recourse left ballot box

[KPN]

53. in an election that could well be stolen again.

I am angry.

[Meowmee]

34. I am dealing with

Serious chronic health issues and the stress of all of this has become too much. I want this to be over so I and my family don’t have to be subjected to that pos lunatic and his band of fascists and crooks anymore. And yet it seems more people are jumping on the bandwagon to protect this nut at each event. I see the effects on everyone I deal with who doesn’t support this. Each time the rule of law fails and democracy takes another hit due to these fascists I feel worse than I can describe. The whole thing is surreal. I don’t understand why there aren’t massive demonstrations.

I was somewhat encouraged by some isolated news commentary last night re the actual report. but I just wonder if there is anyone who is ever really going to fight this wacko. Why is everyone so afraid of him and his crazy followers? They are outnumbered by far. It is as though everyone is saying oh no we can’t possibly do anything. Obviously the gop is complicit. I think part of it is when a monarchy was banished the prez still became like a king and was given way too much power. The position needs to be changed completely. No more than one 3 year term and many other changes. 10 years of tax returns, complete transparency, easy removal in case of corruption and insanity. He is fucking crazy, everyone on the news should be saying this all the time.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

47. Sorry about your health issues. Good has to outweigh

Evil at some point. I think the Dems main focus should be how to protect the vote in swing States. And picking someone who can beat him.

[Meowmee]

67. Thanks

I have no faith after the campaign and the past two years that good will prevail any time soon. But obviously we have to try to fight him since our gov isn't going to. I don’t have much hope for the election though due to all of this. We need to protect the election process as well, pretty much nothing has been done about that.

[uponit7771]

35. Like Barr might have lied, we'll see ... they need to release that report ASAP

[Laura PourMeADrink]

48. But they are probably executive privileging all over it

[uponit7771]

49. +1

[dewsgirl]

36. I feel bettter than I did yesterday.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

50. Me too. Ready to focus on beating him in 2020...if

He doesn't ban voting

[Corgigal]

37. This LEO family is a bit shaken.

Now we're thinking Trump is an FBI informant. It might explain something's. Hell, I don't know.
To criminal right in front of the world without repercussions.

[anarch]

42. huh...just sort of playing Devil's advocate here, but that's actually not an unreasonable thought

I mean, this was also a counter-intel operation, right? The connections/access at high levels of the respective organizations would go both ways if the American fascist oligarchs were in cahoots with the Russian fascist oligarchs to install the orange nightmare into office, and it might be very useful to U.S. intelligence agencies to have a view in to that line of communications...

I don't know, maybe that's giving too much credit to the idea of there being some sort of "deep state" apparatus--which I guess is basically just the combined non-political elements of our various intelligence and civil service agencies.

Who knows, there could be some labyrinthine, multi-faceted and complex counter-intelligence operation that includes keeping the orange fuckstick where we can see him, fuck the propriety of there being this horrid, embarrassing asshole in the White House, it's not like the public-facing "government" apparatus really runs anything anyway....

But probably it's just the simpler explanation that the entire Republican party has been taken over by criminals, one hand washes the other, and they don't care about how it looks anymore, because what's anybody going to do about it?

[Vinca]

39. I'm not feeling as depressed today as I was yesterday, but maybe that's because I avoided hearing

about it for much of yesterday. Just caught a reporter on MSNBC who said what should be evident. He said putting all of Russia aside, Trump is not fit to be POTUS. And that's true. If Russia had never happened, in the end, Trump is an incompetent bumbler with mental illness issues and is putting the country at risk. We have to work our asses off to get rid of him in 2020. There's always the possibility that his myriad of other investigations will help put the nail in the coffin (assuming Barr doesn't somehow intervene).

[MoonRiver]

43. Bad, but I've gotten used to that feeling.

Been feeling like crap for 10 of the last 18 years.

[COLGATE4]

44. It's naive to believe that there was ever an 'adverserial' relationship

between Mueller and Barr seeing as they have been close friends for more than 30 years - their wives even do bible study together. Barr knew Mueller's weakness ("do it by the book Marine&quot and played him like a fiddle.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

55. I didn't know that. Now wish I didn't:). nt

[COLGATE4]

56. Makes two of us...

[Mr. Sparkle]

51. It feels like I'm watching a cover-up. I cant make a proper judgment until i see the full report.

So until the full report is released, we should all keep on shouting from the roof tops to release Mullers report.

[50 Shades Of Blue]

54. Sucker-punched.

[Afromania]

57. Annoyed

I knew it was going to be on us to finally put a end to trump and the gop through the vote. I expected Mueller would just keep on investigating because there was seemingly endless threads to follow up. Perhaps there are but the fact he ended this thing means he walked it straight and narrow. Did he do it so that the investigation wouldn't be shut down? or maybe because he didn't want to completely dismantle the republican party? Who knows. What I do know is that a lot has be unearthed while Mueller was investigating and those leads are being followed up on. There will be more investigations, you can count on that, but until they get going we have to stay awake and ready.

[blueinredohio]

58. I'll feel better when congress subpoenas Mueller and Barr.

[Satch59]

59. First numb, then mad, then sick...now more hopeful...

Been pouring over insights and the big next step is the release of the report or enough of it which should show enough damning material to knock the big fat chip off their shoulders. I will agree the media jumped on the few words that the administration is running on and ran wrong headlines. I'll assume there is plenty of collusion/obstruction in the report but it didn't meet the 90%+ level to convict or some of the evidence/charges were moved to other courts and therefore can't be discussed, could taint a trial...

I'll try to be patient and have faith in our Dem leaders to go about this in a smart way.

[RussBLib]

60. the Dem House needs to stand up and stand their ground

and we need to have their backs

when it gets too much, I go outside and garden for awhile

[CrispyQ]

61. If the election were this November I'd say we're toast.

But we still have 19 months & a lot can happen.

I personally don't see this great economy that the media keeps chortling about. Am I alone, there? And I read this morning that the Con is going through the DOJ to try to sabotage the ACA, again. How many will vote for him a second time if they lose their healthcare?

OTH, the GOP will totally try to steal another election since they've never been held accountable for their thefts since 2000 & they continue to disenfranchise voters. He could easily win another term, although seriously, I don't think he'll live through 2024. My best hope is that the Con croaks before 2020 - the sooner the better. Pence couldn't win the GOP primary, much less a general.

Overall, it's not looking good for our team, the other side has rigged everything so badly.

[Bettie]

62. How am I feeling...

like, once again, they are all going to fucking get away with it.

I hope for better, but I'm prepared for the worst.

Oh, and aside the report (which we'll never see) they are now actively working to kill people by destroying the ACA.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

65. ACA. Hope our candidate whoever it is has started

Some intense oppo research and strategy development. He said he had a plan to give Americans the BEST healthcare EVER. Where is it? And why did you go in reverse and cut what Americans already have??

[Different Drummer]

63. Remember how we all felt when DU was hacked on the night of the 2016 election?

The feeling I had that night was one of despair. Somehow, this feels worse to me.

[The Genealogist]

64. I didn't expect a whole lot different outcome

How this works is almost formulaic now. Wingnuts speak, profit-driven media repeat it along with the daily dose of gossip, and thats that. Lather, rinse, repeat. I am disappointed, but I'd be a lot worse off if i wasnt expecting it.

[lillypaddle]

69. I feel the same way I did

when dubya was elected for a second term.

Sick.