Mueller is a Republican

[angrychair]

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We have been reminded of that for two years.

We have said it for two years.

We should have listened to the words coming out of our own mouths.

Reading that report is a fool's errand. It's not worth the paper its printed on.

If you think I'm wrong than I have one glaring example of how we know the Republican fix was in from the beginning: trump tower meeting.

We know a lot of what happened there. Yet Mueller said "no collusion"?!?

The. Fix. Was. In. From. The. Beginning.

Republicans are loyal to their party first and their party only.

[manor321]

1. NO. This is a disgusting post. We haven't seen the report yet.

[Autumn]

2. Do you think we will see the report? nt

[angrychair]

7. We were told what it said already

I think it should be released. That said, reading it is not going to change Republicans covering up for Republicans. Not going to change that Mueller is no different than Devin Nunes or Lindsey Graham, Mueller is just another trump sycophant.

Look for him to accept a ambassadorship or some other cushy govt job and for trump to talk about what a "great American" he is.

[Fullduplexxx]

16. All we have is barr's report. the cons are blocking the release of mueller's

[angrychair]

23. Please see my post response #21. n/t

[Fullduplexxx]

30. "I ***** believe ****that Barr's synopsis is accurate."Some believe in unicorns it dont make them

Real. We only know of barr's report what you believe is irrelevant

[SlogginThroughIt]

3. Regardless of what it says we should see it.

For the life of me I cannot understand why anyone wouldn’t want it to go public. We paid for it!

[PatSeg]

4. Mueller has a long history of being

a total professional and did not bring politics to his job. Too many well respected people who have worked for or with him over the years have repeated this over and over again.

How quick we are to throw someone under the bus when we don't get what we are expecting. This is exactly what republicans want. We do not know what was in Mueller's report. We just know that William Barr is a compromised Trump toadie and we knew he would probably do what would best serve Trump.

[MrsMatt]

8. So true.

I have faith in Mueller's integrity. He's a stickler for proceedure and rule of law. Nothing I've read has indicated a whiff of partisan politics.

[rockfordfile]

10. That's not true. Mueller's history with the Iraq War lies. and more.

Now Mueller has the dubious history with Trumpf and his comrades.

[dubyadiprecession]

5. Republicans have downplayed his party affiliation..

And some people i know have claimed he is a democrat.

[democratisphere]

6. Rethugs apparently like the Russian form and way of government.

[Cosmocat]

9. He is followed the guidelines of his mandate

He literally has done nothing wrong that we are aware of to this point.

Barr is a scumbag, always will be, and like Whitaker positioned himself to be chosen to do the dirt for 45.

Mueller followed the procedures and chain of command that his position required.

Not his fault that Barr did 45's bidding.

It is hard to fathom that the report is not extraordinarily negative toward 45 and company.

The battle is now to get the report out in the public.

[angrychair]

11. Please see my post #7

We should see the report. Nothing in it will change what Barr said was in it. Mueller did his job to let trump walk.
That nothing was made or came of the trump tower meeting is the biggest indicator that the fix was in.
Mueller is an ass kissing trump sycophant like any other Republican.

[mr_lebowski]

33. That's because if the stolen DNC docs weren't received, nothing illegal happened there

in Trump Tower.

Natalia V. is not the Russian Government. Granted, Goldstone said this was 'part of Russia's help', but she's still not the government, and how do you prove Don Jr or whoever BELIEVED that they were acting as a true emissary?

Now, do I think there's a real chance that it was discussed that the 'dirt' would be released online, rather than handed over, and that the Trump campaign said it'd try to remove sanctions if they won? YES. Would that probably be illegal? Yes. But nobody there admitted that such a thing and happened, and it may not have.

So there's a very viable alternative explanation besides Mueller being crooked.

Remember though that despite the bullshit spin in the media, Barr only said 'didn't establish a conspiracy w/the Russian Government'. What does ESTABLISH ... mean? Does it mean NO evidence? Or does it mean 'not enough evidence to charge with a crime and expect to earn a conviction before a jury?'

Keep in mind, there's no such crime as "Conspiring (or Colluding) with a Foreign Power to Win an Election'. There are possible other illegal actions that might (even, be likely) occur during the process of doing so, however.

So, there's two very different standards, and we don't which one applies, AND there's no actual 'crime' of 'conspiring with foreigners to win an election'. So it's possible 'collusion/conspiracy' was literally never going to be 'found' in this context.

Fact is, Mueller still could've played this totally straight. Can't know till we see the full report.

Barr, OTOH ...

[Joe941]

12. This is a true post!

[spanone]

13. Have you read the report? If so, please share.

[angrychair]

18. We should read the report

That said, you are kidding yourself if you think its going to be different than what Barr already told us.

If it really did contain damning or overtly actionable recommendations than Barr would have had little choice to but to say so. But it doesn't. Mueller is a Republican and the thing that is always true with Republicans is they put the wealth and power of their party members before anything and anyone else.

The two most glaring things that show the fix was in was that the most actionable things was the trump tower meeting and the Deutsche Bank loans and money laundering.

Since we know from Barr's statement that Mueller gave trump a pass on both than we know the fix was in. It really very simple.

[brooklynite]

14. Lazy conspiracy theory #3...

[angrychair]

21. Hardly

You are only lying to yourself if you think there is some magic beans in that report. This isn't a fairytale, they are just beans.

I believe that Barr's synopsis is accurate.

I also believe that the plan was to drag this report out and get the Democrats and the media so far out on a limb that once it came out the damage would be massive and lasting.

Its childish and foolish to think any Republican would prosecute another Republican. Mueller pushed the whole Iraq WMD lie, knew it was a lie and never advocated for any investigation into that lie.

Stop believing that any Republican gives a shit about anything or anybody but their own self interest.

Mueller took us for a ride. Time to get out of the car.

[brooklynite]

24. I live in the real world...

I never saw the open and shut case the some folks expected. But lurching for an "acceptable" reason as to why things didn't turn out the way you wanted it to isn't dealing with reality.

We'll deal with Trump by winning the 2020 Election on the basis of economic issues voters care about. Russia and the 2016 Election is not on the minds of people who aren't hanging out at political blogs.

[angrychair]

29. That "no one cares" is my theme

People should care that trump is a rapist and a misogynist and racist and a criminal that does money laundering for the Russian mafia.

Treating trump as a legitimate political opponent is normalizing his actions, past and present, as well as ignoring the very real damage he and other Republicans are doing to the integrity of our political process.

[brooklynite]

31. Do you know who else believed "everyone SHOULD care about the issues I think are important"?

Every losing Presidential candidate.

We win elections based on what the voters think are important. To paraphrase Donald Rumsfeld: You go to the polls with the voters you have.

[babylonsister]

32. If there's no there there, why are they in a frenzy to not

release the report that Mueller, that dirty rotten rethug, investigated? Makes no sense.

[angrychair]

37. Because we are suckers for punishment?

We begged and pleaded and MSM talked endlessly about it.
Only to be be left looking foolish that it is now over and he report declariles trump is completely innocent of everything.

We beg and pled some more to see the report because, despite all evidence to the contrary, we think the Iraq war enabler has hidden Easter eggs in the report and we need to see it to find them. Once the report comes out we pour over and look foolish again.

No easter eggs. No magic beans. Just one Republican covering up for another.

[babylonsister]

40. I totally disagree but we can all believe what we want. nt

[angrychair]

41. I hope I'm wrong

I really do.

I hope the the actual Mueller report is full of criminal and damning information on trump.
Somehow trump has gone his whole life being one of the most overt criminals I've ever heard about in my life.

Despite being found to be running a scam university, being caught on video admitting he to sexually assault women and audio and transcripts of saying incredibly heinous things on the Howard Stern Radio Show. Despite being accused of sexually assaulting 18+ women going into the election, the whole thing turned into a shitshow and became all about Clinton's emails and he still got elected.

No. One. Cared.

That is our problem and why, ultimately, the report may not matter. It could say "trump eats live babies for breakfast" with video and witness testimonies and i suspect that it would barely raise an eyebrow.

[rockfordfile]

15. Mueller is a typical Republican handler

I don't get why people propped him up. It wasn't that long ago with him and the Iraq war. I think the reason some people are kind of off their rocker is some people propped him up. He wasn't the only Republican that way. Remember there is Rick Wilson, remember what he did to a veteran in Georgia. There were a Bush lackey and a Sarah Palin lackey propped up.

If anybody remembers the past, Republicans don't prosecute Republicans. Now I think many Americans see that the Republican Party is un-American. With them colluding with the Russians and Saudis. They were so desperate in 2016 they sold themselves out again.

I do think some people had good intentions. But other probably just trolls.

House should continue the investigation. Americans deserve a real investigation.

[Drunken Irishman]

38. People propped him up because Trump attacked him...

Had Trump stated from the start that he trusted Mueller and the process and expected the end result to exonerate him, liberals and DUers would have pushed to have a bipartisan investigation. They would be screaming cover up and farce. Similar to the investigation into Kavanaugh.

But I think that's why Trump attacked Mueller. Liberals and Dems bit and made it impossible to question the results once they were established because we spent two years singing Mueller's praise.

[jalan48]

17. He played his role very well. I thought the "It's Mueller Time" gifs were really cute though.

[caraher]

19. We don't know what's in the report, but Barr and Mueller have crossed paths before

The results were not pretty; many Republicans skated away from a scandal scot-free, including Mueller himself. I don't think it was ever wise to build up Mueller to be our knight in shining armor...

Nixon speechwriter William Safire in 1992, in the editorial where he dubbed Barr "Coverup General," points out Mueller's role in past scandal

When an Iraqgate grand jury is finally impaneled, one of its targets is likely to be Robert Mueller, that same Criminal Division's chief. Here we have the political flunky to that likely target getting copies of, and trying to act as conduit for, all evidence that might be used in questioning his bosses under oath.

The day following this improper intercession ("for coordination purposes" ), Judge Lacey sent Justice attorneys a memo quoting my observation in this space that "veteran straight arrows will not wish retaliation by volunteering evidence to their political boss's patsy prosecutor -- but will testify about their superior's wrongful interferences when a grand jury is convened by a court-appointed independent counsel."

The patsy prosecutor then solemnly promised: "You have my word that I will accord to any communication you have with me the same confidentiality it would be given were it to be in the form of Grand Jury testimony." If that's so, why send a copy to the suspects?

Coverup-General Barr and Mr. Mueller were instrumental in appointing the lawyer for the American subsidiary of the British company Matrix Churchill to be U.S. Attorney in Atlanta a few months after the raid on the Atlanta bank.

[cwydro]

20. So you've read it?

Please share.

[angrychair]

22. Please see my posts

#7, #18 and #21.

[cwydro]

27. You said it wasn't worth the paper it was printed on.

That implies you’ve read it.

[demmiblue]

26. Also read posts #42, #101 and #420. n/t

[Greybnk48]

25. Mueller is NOT a Trump Republican.

Given his life-long track record, he's an old school conservative, but definitely not one of this crowd.

Now if you'll excuse me, I need to do deep breathing after actually supporting a Republican.

[angrychair]

36. Mueller supported the WMD lies

He endorsed it and never apologized nor asked for an investigation after it was proven false.

Never supported a criminal investigation into the war profiteering by Bush and company, especially Cheney.

[pnwmom]

39. He was the FBI director, not the Secretary of Defense or the head of the CIA.

He merely referenced the report that Secretary Powell made.

[Doodley]

28. If Mueller didn't interview Trump, Trump Jr, or Kushner, then I have to agree with Angrychair.

It seems that this investigation was cut short, presumable because of all the pressure from Rudy and other bullies, plus the pressure from Trump calling it a witch hunt run by 17 angry Democrats. Mueller shouldn't have accepted that harassment.

It is blatantly obvious that Trump thought the report was going to be devastating - that is why he attacked Mueller's credibility day after day. An innocent man does not behave like that. It is obvious Trump has a lot to hide.

We all know the kind of man Trump is. Does anyone really believe that if he looked closely into Trump's finances, he wouldn't have a list of crimes as long as your arm, even without the matter of collusion or obstruction of justice.

If Mueller's report is being weaponized by being misrepresented, then Mueller needs to immediately put the record straight, if he has integrity.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

34. ummmmmmmmmm

No. To look at Mueller's entire life and then to say he's putting party before country in this instance, doesn't make sense.

[themaguffin]

35. Oh jesus. No.

[LanternWaste]

42. One day, posters on DU will support their conclusions with objective evidence.

Today is (again) not that day.

Your post is (again) not that post.

Just more bumper stickers and t-shirts read aloud as though they were truth. My eleven year old niece does that with fortune cookies.

Different voice, same effect (though she won't rationalize her melodrama as anything but; you however, most certainly will).

[WeekiWater]

43. Character assassination without cause....

Is one of the most basic and flawed arguments made. That's about as polite as I can put it.