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As bad as Nixon was, he wasn't bad enough (Original Post) pnwmom Mar 2019 OP
pretty sure he never called his daughters "hot", or indicated he wanted to. . . "date" niyad Mar 2019 #1
Brutal. But accurate. guillaumeb Mar 2019 #5
true. I love KO's segment on the tangerine tyrant and dogs: niyad Mar 2019 #11
Nixon didn't have media weapons like Fox "News." VOX Mar 2019 #2
The GOP didn't put country before party then, either. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2019 #3
Agree demosincebirth Mar 2019 #6
I need to thank you. VOX Mar 2019 #8
I think we want to believe that the GOP have become worse over the years The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2019 #9
I remember him, too, in vivid detail DFW Mar 2019 #12
Nlixon was not stupid nor was he a sexual predator demosincebirth Mar 2019 #4
Nixon wasn't corrupted by vast wealth n/t TexasBushwhacker Mar 2019 #7
Although he wasn't personally wealthy, money and greed did motivate him The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2019 #13
I'm not defending Nixon, who was a skunk and Golden Raisin Mar 2019 #10

niyad

(113,306 posts)
1. pretty sure he never called his daughters "hot", or indicated he wanted to. . . "date"
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 06:48 PM
Mar 2019

pretty sure that was NOT the four-letter word he meant), nor do I recall him ever feeling one of them up in public, nor do I recall seeing pics of him feeling up one of them, or one of them giving him a lap dance. . . . etc., etc.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
5. Brutal. But accurate.
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 07:29 PM
Mar 2019

I cannot think of one redeeming quality that Trump has.

Not one.

Even Hitler liked dogs.

niyad

(113,306 posts)
11. true. I love KO's segment on the tangerine tyrant and dogs:
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 12:10 PM
Mar 2019

WTF! Why is Trump Such a Weirdo About Dogs? | The Closer with Keith Olbermann | GQ

VOX

(22,976 posts)
2. Nixon didn't have media weapons like Fox "News."
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 06:57 PM
Mar 2019

If he did, his story might have had an entirely different outcome.

Also, in Nixon’s era, Republicans put country before party.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,693 posts)
3. The GOP didn't put country before party then, either.
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 07:03 PM
Mar 2019

The vote on articles of impeachment in the Dem-controlled House Judiciary Committee was almost entirely along party lines. A lot of GOPers defended Nixon to the bitter end, even after the tapes were released proving he tried to cover up the investigation. I don't think he'd have been forced to resign at all if the GOP had controlled Congress.

VOX

(22,976 posts)
8. I need to thank you.
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 08:23 PM
Mar 2019

Your response led me to search the subject further. I’m a political/history “junkie,” and for some reason I had a blind spot on this. It’s downright embarrassing, in fact.

So thank you, for opening a door to something I’d completely overlooked.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2018/08/13/opinion/watergate-republican-party.amp.html
The Myth of Watergate Bipartisanship
The Republicans stuck with their president, right up to the end.
New York Times
Aug. 13, 2018
Reporters and political commentators often express frustrated surprise at the steadfast support of President Trump from most Republicans in the House and Senate. But they shouldn’t — it has happened before.

In fact, when these critics refer back to the Watergate era as a time of bipartisan commitment to the rule of law over politics, they get it exactly wrong. Defending the president at all costs, blaming investigators and demonizing journalists was all part of the Republican playbook during the political crisis leading up to the resignation of President Richard Nixon.
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The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,693 posts)
9. I think we want to believe that the GOP have become worse over the years
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 09:02 PM
Mar 2019

and that maybe someday they'll become a normal political party again. But they were always bad; they just used to be more polite about it. I'm old enough to remember the whole Watergate mess, which I followed with fascination, and so I also remembered that the Republicans defended Nixon until public opinion, not their consciences, turned against him. Only when they realized that Nixon had become a political liability that would drag them down with him did they start backing away from him.

DFW

(54,380 posts)
12. I remember him, too, in vivid detail
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 12:19 PM
Mar 2019

Plus, my dad knew him starting with the 1959 Kitchen Debate trip to Moscow. Nixon is not to be whitewashed just because David Eisenhower wouldn't let himself be mixed up in his wife's dad's sleaze. Nixon once commented that he loved doing his signature two-handed use of the peace sign/V-symbol because "the kids hate it when I do that." I was one of those "kids." Yes, I hated it when he did that. I hated him all the more for knowing it, and doing it as an in-your-face just piss my generation off.

I fully believe that if Nixon had any clue of the depravity he MIGHT have gotten away with as a Republican president, he would have gone for it.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,693 posts)
13. Although he wasn't personally wealthy, money and greed did motivate him
Sat Mar 30, 2019, 12:34 PM
Mar 2019

almost as much as political power. For example, he committed tax fraud by taking a huge, improper deduction for donating his papers, and accusations relating to this, not Watergate, was what motivated his "I am not a crook!" statement. Tax fraud was part of one of the House's articles of impeachment.

Golden Raisin

(4,608 posts)
10. I'm not defending Nixon, who was a skunk and
Fri Mar 29, 2019, 09:10 PM
Mar 2019

a complete shit, but unlike Trump he was intelligent, had a grasp of the broad scope of world politics (beyond 5th Avenue and Mar-a-Lago), understood diplomacy, history, international alliances, etc. and had worked his way up in the world of politics, holding various lower offices prior to attaining the Presidency.

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