I wonder if the simplest way to stop Trump in his tracks would be for the NY state Attorney General

[pnwmom]

to indict the Trump organization for various crimes. There already appears to be evidence in some of the Michael Cohen matters (the Trump org was involved in the Stormy payoff).

As a state prosecution, it wouldn't be subject to any approval by William Barr. And Trump couldn't pardon his Org for any state crimes.

And a NY state action wouldn't send any decision about indicting a sitting President to the Supreme Court, because it would be his organization that's indicted, not he.

But it would keep him very, very busy . . .

It would be nice if it could happen before November 2020.

[dawg day]

1. It would be nice if it would happen by next week-

That will get me down off the ledge.

[pandr32]

4. Ha! I know the feeling!

[vlyons]

2. How about the NY DA indicts Trump personally

for cheating on his state taxes, and cheating on insurance claims, and defrauding banks on the value of his properties for loans, and wire fraud, and god knows what else.

[pnwmom]

3. The AG could do that, but that could still possibly turn into protracted court battles

about even a state AG being able to indict a sitting President.

I'm not saying she shouldn't do that. But all she has to do to quickly pop his balloon is to indict his organization for crimes that occurred while he was in charge. Then he could be an "unindicted co-conspirator." That wouldn't send him straight to prison, but it would be a good first step.

[atreides1]

6. It's a federal policy

Not a federal law so I don't believe it applies to a state indictment...and even if he is protected by the courts, his children aren't!

New York can still indict Don Jr. Eric, and Ivanka.



Also, under NY law the Attorney General has the authority to shut down a business...shut down his business and he'll be on Twitter 24/7...who knows maybe his fast food habit will finally catch up to him!!!

[pnwmom]

8. From what I understand, the issue of state prosecutions of a President is a bit murky.

For example, we wouldn't have wanted some Alabama prosecutor going after Obama for something, right?

But, yes, there is nothing to stop NY from indicted the three older Trump children. I hope they do.

[guillaumeb]

5. Recommended.

The Trump crime family has been allowed to act in this way for many years.

But white collar crime, especially if the criminal is white and connected, is not prosecuted as much as the crime of selling loose cigarettes while black.

Or driving with a broken tail light while black.

[fescuerescue]

7. Probably, but it's the long route

take a look at any corporate scandal in recent years. Enron, Pharma-Bro, MCI, etc.

All of them took about 6+ years to investigate and jail the perpetrators.

So not so much November of 2020, but more likely November of 2025.

[pnwmom]

9. But we don't know how long the Trump org has been under investigation. n/t

[fescuerescue]

10. true but it's mostly likely less than 2 years

I don't see any reason to believe that any serious investigations began before the fall of 2016.

Would there be a Mueller report if he didn't win in November 2016? Of course not.

If he had been under serious investigation prior to 2016, there would be plenty to read about it.