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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSo tell me Elise Jordan - who exactly are these fiscal conservatives
who will resist the green new deal -
the same ones who remain silent as the deficit rises
the same ones who watch him interfere with trade agreements,
the same ones who cover their ears when he interferes with the Fed Chair
the same ones who have nothing to say while he attacks manufacturers,
the same ones who watch him squander tax payers' money as he plays golf on weekends,
the same ones who used to attack Obama for using AF1 for campaign rallies
the same ones who support him closing the southern border.
Please give me a fucking break.
Mc Mike
(9,114 posts)SallyHemmings
(1,821 posts)JHB
(37,158 posts)Link to tweet
Verified account @CharlesPPierce
I am listening to the president*'s speech from earlier tonight.
This man's brain is virtually leaking out of his ears.
Hey, Never Trumpers. Stop advising the Democrats and clean up your own disaster.
Stellar
(5,644 posts)piss me off is Meghan McCain, always claiming that those candidates on the far left will re-elect Trump, as if anybody believes anything that she says.
In fact, many people in the Midwest wanted something different, and would probably have voted for Bernie.
JHB
(37,158 posts)Republican campaign consultants. Conservative media hosts. Republican speech writers. Conservative pundits.
They have all spent their careers in Republican messaging and conservative media. They've spent decades wooing, building, and feeding a base that has become Trump's base.
They scare-mongered and scandal-mongered and played to all the bigotries and pet peeves, and called it "playing hardball". They wanted to get conservative Republicans elected, and there was no part of that job that involved "dialing it back." They painted Democrats as supervillains: utterly-corrupt, moral degenerates out to destroy the nation and all that's good and holy to get their voters all hot-blooded and into the voting booth.
But the drawback is: When you paint the story that way, it's supposed to end with you bringing the bad guys to justice. They rot in jail, or better yet get hanged or fried. Blow up the Death Star. Drop the Ring into the fires of Mount Doom. The Enemy surrenders unconditionally and their symbols get blown up.
Your audience wants this:
But they never get it.
When you tell that story for decades, continually amping it up to keep the audience's blood at a rolling boil, you create an expectation that you can never really deliver on. You can justify decades of investigations and re-investigations and re-re-re-re-re-re-re-investigations, but that's not going turn up anything that will hold up in court. So you put yourself into the position of portraying the other side as unbearably evil and an active threat, and then don't do anything about it. The base still has their hot buttons pushed, still believes every word of it, they just start thinking you're ineffectual at best, or more likely are part of the problem.
Conservatives have purposely whipped up this extremist frenzy to give them the margin of victory. They've been punishing any Republican who didn't fall in line since the 70s when they started ousting Rockefeller Republicans. It started decades ago, but they've been on a precise trajectory to Trump since they hailed Rush Limbaugh as the "majority maker" of the 1994 election and Newt Gingrich accused Democrats of being "the enemy of normal Americans".
Every NeverTrumper who gets air time or page space helped make this happen. Yet we're supposed to pay attention to people who devoted their professional lives to political vandalism and willful blindness. Unless their excuse is that they're just f***ing idiots.
Exactly. They built this train wreck and are now pissed the conductor cut the brakes.
Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)nm
Stellar
(5,644 posts)Yesss!
malaise
(268,949 posts)tblue37
(65,336 posts)In the media stop foisting these people in Mass onto your platforms to temper progressive initiatives.
Vinca
(50,269 posts)They want their HBO and are "afeared" the wind will stop.
JHB
(37,158 posts)By Tom Toles
Editorial cartoonist
February 1 at 9:23 AM
It is more than a little ironic to see progressive ideas being subjected to the test of whether they are responsible. Where does the idea come from that responsibility is a standard anymore?
Elites and I define those as the wealthy, the leaders of corporations, government, think tanks, universities and the media enjoy their positions and privileges to set the ethical standards for a society and to guide the direction a society moves in. So how have they been doing?
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Last I saw, the federal government gave stupendously MORE in tax cuts to the rich. How was this funded? It wasnt! It was written entirely in red ink! Oh, yeah, the deficit. Which has been another area of endless empty lecturing from the elites. And yet there is always room for more tax cuts for the rich.
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But suddenly, its: Is Medicare-for-all RESPONSIBLE? Are higher marginal tax rates RISKY? Is a Green New Deal properly DETAILED? Mightnt there be costs or TRADE-OFFS? And again, for progressives only what about the DEFICIT? These progressive proposals arent irresponsible. They are aimed at undoing prior irresponsibility. If we are going to use responsibility as a standard, lets let the current swath of leaders back things up, reduce the vast inequality they have allowed and institute their own program of carbon reduction, and then well resume the discussion about responsibility.
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spanone
(135,827 posts)czarjak
(11,269 posts)Yes she did - fascists want centrists - ah well!!